Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[MAKmom]

and what would that be, exactly? what things has the show given them that we all want to give our children? Outside of financial security .. what would that be? vacations, nice clothes, a big fancy house, toys? do the ends justify the means? what about all the things that the show has taken away from them? (IMO, of course) what about their privacy, the right to just be children and not on display, the right to react to their parents divorce without it being part of a media tour?

We'll never know what life would have been like without the show. I don't believe that Jon & Kate would have been totally down and out, though. Kate seems like a motivated and enterprising person. That's how they got to this point in the first place.

for my family, I want them to be happy, healthy, and well-adjusted. I'd also like for them to be successful, but that's by their own definition, not mine. I would be lying if I said I wouldn't want to take 2 week beach vacations or have the means to buy whatever I want. And I certainly wouldn't turn down house help or laundry folder. LOL. but in the end, it's all just stuff. my family seems to be ok without all that comes with being on a TV show, though.

easy for me to say, sitting here on my comfy couch with no hope of a huge financial windfall in sight. LOLOL

Yes, I think most of us want a nice home, good schools, vacations to WDW, camps, dance classes, nice clothes, sport teams, for our children. I do not see anything wrong with the kids being on the show. My kids would rather be on the show & have their life then be poor. I would too.

They were in pretty bad shape when they had the 6. The house was very small & they were on government assistance. I think Jon was not even working when the 6 were born

 

[newtodis]

Ok I hope this link works...just kind of interesting.

I searched "Jon Gosselin" as I do when I have time or am looking for some info on the Gosselin clan as an example. This link (providing it works) will show you how often his name has been searched over the period of time selected. I think it's interesting that it's actually gone DOWN recently with all of his antics unless people are no longer "googling" him but going directly to sites like radaronline.com to find their info????

http://news.google.com/archivesearc...ugg=d&as_ldate=2008&as_hdate=2009&lnav=hist14

Info for "Jon and Kate Gosselin"

http://news.google.com/archivesearc...&as_ldate=2009/04&as_hdate=2009/06&lnav=hist9

Info for "Kate Gosselin"

http://news.google.com/archivesearc...as_ldate=2009/01&as_hdate=2009/06&lnav=hist10

 

[madge]

Regis and Kelli is always taped. It is called live but it isn't. There is another celeb that I follow and he is on there quit a bit, and he is in NYC taping it before it airs.

no. the Friday show is sometimes taped, but the majority of M-T shows are done live. that's why it's called Live with Regis & Kelly

http://bventertainment.go.com/tv/buenavista/regisandkelly/get_tickets.html

Live tapes Monday through Friday at 9am ET. Ticket holders should plan to be at the studio by or before 8am ET.

Ashton Kucher (sp) was tweeting from the show on Monday. they were all in real time.

 

[newtodis]

I'll be curious to see if it's true that they filmed her interview on The Today Show for JK8. If they did, I wonder why? For an episode?

I'm not really sure. Like I said, they talked about it on their radio show but I've checked their site and can't find a link and tried to google and can't find it there so I'm not sure where all that info specifically came from. The guys laughed though when I told them they had to be quiet so I could hear about Kate then when it was done we could finish our discussion!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

yes I am the authority on everything!! At least that is what I tell my husband.

 

[newtodis]

Jon Gosselin isn't hurt after Kate Gosselin's Monday Today show interview, in which she sniped that his "goals are not my goals."

"Kate's the mother of my children," he told E! News. "I only wish her the best."

Jon was supposed to sit down with E! News' Ryan Seacrest, but the interview was canceled at the last minute.

Instead, former tabloid reporter Kate Major, who befriended Jon while reporting on him, spoke out against the reality TV star, dubbing him a "liar" and "two-timer." Said Major, "We had plans to travel together, to live together, and to be together."

In a statement Jon shot back, "I'm happy that she's out of my life."

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/jon-gosselin-responds-to-kates-today-interview-2009118

 

[DVCisME]

I'll be curious to see if it's true that they filmed her interview on The Today Show for JK8. If they did, I wonder why? For an episode?

They did the same thing with the Duggars- episode of the Today Show, that is.

 

[kidshop]

Yes, I think most of us want a nice home, good schools, vacations to WDW, camps, dance classes, nice clothes, sport teams, for our children. I do not see anything wrong with the kids being on the show. My kids would rather be on the show & have their life then be poor. I would too.

They were in pretty bad shape when they had the 6. The house was very small & they were on government assistance. I think Jon was not even working when the 6 were born

This was their CHOICE, I think they were aware of Jon's job status and size of the house. I can't feel sorry for that.

Really? No price is too high for you to sell your family and kids for money? That's certainly your right, but my mind can't even pretend to understand. I'd rather be poor actually.

 

[madge]

Yes, I think most of us want a nice home, good schools, vacations to WDW, camps, dance classes, nice clothes, sport teams, for our children. I do not see anything wrong with the kids being on the show. My kids would rather be on the show & have their life then be poor. I would too.

being on TV isn't a choice I'd make for my family, but it's obviously ok with you. that's what this thread is all about

and all that is easy to say, considering your life family's life isn't led in front of millions of people every day. no one on this thread has any idea what that life must be like for the Gosselin family. (I don't think they do ... LOL) I cannot imagine not having the freedom of hopping in the van and meeting friends at Panera without worrying about whether or not it will be in the National Enquirer next week. And it isn't just their own lives they've forsaken, it's their family and friends as well. money doesn't always buy happiness.

and I have all the things you've listed, my husband & I have worked hard to make those things possible for our family .. without a TV show.

They were in pretty bad shape when they had the 6. The house was very small & they were on government assistance. I think Jon was not even working when the 6 were born

Jon's work ethic is questionable, at best.

 

[madge]

They did the same thing with the Duggars- episode of the Today Show, that is.

I remember that -- it was for an episode where they went to NYC, one of the first ones of the series, right?

 

[mhsjax]

no. the Friday show is sometimes taped, but the majority of M-T shows are done live. that's why it's called Live with Regis & Kelly

http://bventertainment.go.com/tv/buenavista/regisandkelly/get_tickets.html


Ashton Kucher (sp) was tweeting from the show on Monday. they were all in real time.

When the person I follow is on there it is always taped in advance, Kind of like the live Christmas parade on Christmas day from Disney. That live parade was taped 2 weeks ahead of time, We were in it. Also the link you p0rovided says Live with Regis and Kelly TAPES Monday through Friday, and yes they do have a live studio audience, but at least some of the shows are not live.

 

[madge]

http://bventertainment.go.com/tv/buenavista/regisandkelly/special/webexclusives/index.html

there's a preview from the Regis & Kelly interview.

Kate was stunned but focused on her talking points very quickly. Not sure what's up with Regis. LOL

 

[madge]

When the person I follow is on there it is always taped in advance, Kind of like the live Christmas parade on Christmas day from Disney. That live parade was taped 2 weeks ahead of time, We were in it. Also the link you p0rovided says Live with Regis and Kelly TAPES Monday through Friday, and yes they do have a live studio audience, but at least some of the shows are not live.

that's why I used the words sometimes and the majority of the time. LOL. they aren't live every day, but they are more often than not.

and when they're taping, they're live. (most of the time) they tape at 9:00am, and I watch at 9:00am.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

and what would that be, exactly? what things has the show given them that we all want to give our children? Outside of financial security .. what would that be? vacations, nice clothes, a big fancy house, toys? do the ends justify the means? what about all the things that the show has taken away from them? (IMO, of course) what about their privacy, the right to just be children and not on display, the right to react to their parents divorce without it being part of a media tour?

We'll never know what life would have been like without the show. I don't believe that Jon & Kate would have been totally down and out, though. Kate seems like a motivated and enterprising person. That's how they got to this point in the first place.

for my family, I want them to be happy, healthy, and well-adjusted. I'd also like for them to be successful, but that's by their own definition, not mine. I would be lying if I said I wouldn't want to take 2 week beach vacations or have the means to buy whatever I want. And I certainly wouldn't turn down house help or laundry folder. LOL. but in the end, it's all just stuff. my family seems to be ok without all that comes with being on a TV show, though.

easy for me to say, sitting here on my comfy couch with no hope of a huge financial windfall in sight. LOLOL

I understand your point of view Madge. I'm thinking it was different for J&K though. They didn't set out to have sextuplets and most likely thought at the most, they'd end up with twins again. So, instant 8 kids and that is a lot of financial responsibility. Who's to say that J&K are wrong to provide for their family this way? Would the kids have had a better life being on welfare and poor? It's hard to say. I think that alternative (being poor) wasn't an option for J&K and they seized the opportunity to rapidly make $ and ensure their's and their kids financial stability. Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't choose that life for my family since (like you said) I'd want my privacy. Anyhoo, that's my random thoughts on this!

Yes, I think most of us want a nice home, good schools, vacations to WDW, camps, dance classes, nice clothes, sport teams, for our children. I do not see anything wrong with the kids being on the show. My kids would rather be on the show & have their life then be poor. I would too.

They were in pretty bad shape when they had the 6. The house was very small & they were on government assistance. I think Jon was not even working when the 6 were born

I agree that most parents do want the things you mentioned. I do and I don't think it's wrong to desire them. I still don't know whether it's harming the kids. I think that's a strong assumption some people make, that being on TV is causing them to suffer. I'm like Doris, I'll wait for Mady's tell all book and then decide.

[/B] This was their CHOICE, I think they were aware of Jon's job status and size of the house. I can't feel sorry for that.

Really? No price is too high for you to sell your family and kids for money? That's certainly your right, but my mind can't even pretend to understand. I'd rather be poor actually.

Well, that's a bit snarky but I know the show brings out high emotions in people (myself included!). You're entitled to your opinion of course. I used to think along the same lines until I really was honest with myself and tried to put myself in J&K's position of having 8 small children and barely any income. That would terrify me. I guess I understand their decision better now even though it's not something I'd do for family. Again, I don't know that the show is harming the kids. What constitutes 'harm'? They seem well cared for, happy (with the occassional tantrum of course!) and love their parents. I wish someone (general) would define what they mean by the kids suffering or being harmed. BTW, I mean that in a very honest, non-snarky way.

 

[madge]

I understand your point of view Madge. I'm thinking it was different for J&K though. They didn't set out to have sextuplets and most likely thought at the most, they'd end up with twins again. So, instant 8 kids and that is a lot of financial responsibility. Who's to say that J&K are wrong to provide for their family this way? Would the kids have had a better life being on welfare and poor? It's hard to say. I think that alternative (being poor) wasn't an option for J&K and they seized the opportunity to rapidly make $ and ensure their's and their kids financial stability. Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't choose that life for my family since (like you said) I'd want my privacy. Anyhoo, that's my random thoughts on this!

I agree with what you're saying and we'll never know what the outcome would have been without the show.

when looking at things as presented by Jon & Kate, it would have been difficult for the first few years. no doubt about it. the childcare costs alone (if they both worked at the same time, during the day) would have been unbelievable. not to mention the diapers and food. When Kate gives her speech, she tells of all the help and generosity of the people around them, their church family... the donations the family received. would it have been easy? absolutely not. but I believe they would have made it. and at this point, with the children out of diapers, they aren't any different than any other large family as far as clothing, shoes, and food.

that's looking at the situation through the facts we know from the show, books, and speaking engagements. I'm not taking into account the rumors of Jon and Kate's life at that time .. because at this point, they're meaningless without proof, in the past, and people have strong opinions about whether they're accurate or not. no need to go there.

one other thought. I can see the point about taking advantage of an opportunity to earn a decent amount of money for the family, I can see doing that in the beginning. I think what bothers me now is Kate's almost defensive attitude of their lives now -- the mechanical way she says the children are healthy, happy, well cared for, loved (or whatever the speech is) and the repeating over and over that everything is for the children, but their (maybe Jon more than Kate) actions show otherwise. Kate proclaims that their lives are private in the international media ... yet she shares personal details of her daughter's reaction to her parent's divorce.

 

[kidshop]

I understand your point of view Madge. I'm thinking it was different for J&K though. They didn't set out to have sextuplets and most likely thought at the most, they'd end up with twins again. So, instant 8 kids and that is a lot of financial responsibility. Who's to say that J&K are wrong to provide for their family this way? Would the kids have had a better life being on welfare and poor? It's hard to say. I think that alternative (being poor) wasn't an option for J&K and they seized the opportunity to rapidly make $ and ensure their's and their kids financial stability. Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't choose that life for my family since (like you said) I'd want my privacy. Anyhoo, that's my random thoughts on this!



I agree that most parents do want the things you mentioned. I do and I don't think it's wrong to desire them. I still don't know whether it's harming the kids. I think that's a strong assumption some people make, that being on TV is causing them to suffer. I'm like Doris, I'll wait for Mady's tell all book and then decide.



Well, that's a bit snarky but I know the show brings out high emotions in people (myself included!). You're entitled to your opinion of course. I used to think along the same lines until I really was honest with myself and tried to put myself in J&K's position of having 8 small children and barely any income. That would terrify me. I guess I understand their decision better now even though it's not something I'd do for family. Again, I don't know that the show is harming the kids. What constitutes 'harm'? They seem well cared for, happy (with the occassional tantrum of course!) and love their parents. I wish someone (general) would define what they mean by the kids suffering or being harmed. BTW, I mean that in a very honest, non-snarky way.

I really wasn't trying to be snarky, but IS any price too high to sell the kids for? For me, I would have socked everything away and got the kids off tv asap. . There is an 'enough' point for me and my family. I have not seen the Gosselin parents reach 'enough' yet. They seem to be going for bigger and better and it may never end. Did you happen to watch the msnbc link with the child psychologists?

Harm: IMO....lack of privacy with no consent, the house is the tv set, their parents have cut family and friends out of their lives, they earn money for their parents (who have no other job), their parents are on the cover of tabloids (most of those articles they gave themselves), their parents divorce and dirty laundry is aired on TV (again by the parents themselves), every event and outing they participate in, so it would seem; is orchestrated for a tv show. Someone pointed out they are still riding bikes for 2 year olds (helmetless) and I have to assume it is b/c no one has given them new free ones. Their childhood and actions of their parents are preserved forever on dvd, even if edited this not a good thing. Strangers know their every move and have labeled them accordingly. Can they even play sports or take dance classes without it being filmed at this point?

Can you think of many child actors/performers who turned out great with no issues?

This is also just my opinion, but I expect these kids to turn out to have the same attitude of entitlement and self-importance as their parents. I don't hear of a lot of giving back and graciousness. I hope I'm wrong.

If Mady wrote a book, wouldn't it just be said she wanted 15 more minutes of fame and to make more money? Why would that be considered truth?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I agree with what you're saying and we'll never know what the outcome would have been without the show.

when looking at things as presented by Jon & Kate, it would have been difficult for the first few years. no doubt about it. the childcare costs alone (if they both worked at the same time, during the day) would have been unbelievable. not to mention the diapers and food. When Kate gives her speech, she tells of all the help and generosity of the people around them, their church family... the donations the family received. would it have been easy? absolutely not. but I believe they would have made it. and at this point, with the children out of diapers, they aren't any different than any other large family as far as clothing, shoes, and food.

that's looking at the situation through the facts we know from the show, books, and speaking engagements. I'm not taking into account the rumors of Jon and Kate's life at that time .. because at this point, they're meaningless without proof, in the past, and people have strong opinions about whether they're accurate or not. no need to go there.

one other thought. I can see the point about taking advantage of an opportunity to earn a decent amount of money for the family, I can see doing that in the beginning. I think what bothers me now is Kate's almost defensive attitude of their lives now -- the mechanical way she says the children are healthy, happy, well cared for, loved (or whatever the speech is) and the repeating over and over that everything is for the children, but their (maybe Jon more than Kate) actions show otherwise. Kate proclaims that their lives are private in the international media ... yet she shares personal details of her daughter's reaction to her parent's divorce.

I agree that it probably was too attractive an offer to pass up (doing the show) in the beginning because of the financial security it would bring. I don't even want to attempt to do the math that 6 babies in diapers would cost! Mine went through 7-8 diapers a day as newborns! I wonder if now that they're more financially stable, Kate is still aware of the fact that this could all end soon and of course that would mean no more big bucks.

Kate does seem defensive about how cared for the kids are. My take on that is simply that people are very critical of her so she needs to reiterate it. Perhaps she's made her pat answer robotically so many times that she can't stop now! I just can't imagine dealing with all the criticism she does. Don't get me wrong, Kate's no angel but still, the acccusations are rampant. I do agree though that I wouldn't be eager to share my child's reaction to my divorce on TV but maybe Kate is thinking she needs to reassure people that the kids really are ok. I don't know. I just would love to spend 1 day with her and pick her brain! Kate are reading this? Call me so we can chat!

 

[mousey]

I really wasn't trying to be snarky, but IS any price too high to sell the kids for? For me, I would have socked everything away and got the kids off tv asap. . There is an 'enough' point for me and my family. I have not seen the Gosselin parents reach 'enough' yet. They seem to be going for bigger and better and it may never end. Did you happen to watch the msnbc link with the child psychologists?

Harm: IMO....lack of privacy with no consent, the house is the tv set, their parents have cut family and friends out of their lives, they earn money for their parents (who have no other job), their parents are on the cover of tabloids (most of those articles they gave themselves), their parents divorce and dirty laundry is aired on TV (again by the parents themselves), every event and outing they participate in, so it would seem; is orchestrated for a tv show. Someone pointed out they are still riding bikes for 2 year olds (helmetless) and I have to assume it is b/c no one has given them new free ones. Their childhood and actions of their parents are preserved forever on dvd, even if edited this not a good thing. Strangers know their every move and have labeled them accordingly. Can they even play sports or take dance classes without it being filmed at this point?

Can you think of many child actors/performers who turned out great with no issues?

This is also just my opinion, but I expect these kids to turn out to have the same attitude of entitlement and self-importance as their parents. I don't hear of a lot of giving back and graciousness. I hope I'm wrong.

If Mady wrote a book, wouldn't it just be said she wanted 15 more minutes of fame and to make more money? Why would that be considered truth?

I agree totally Kidshop! They weren't financially stable after having the twins and they chose to have more kids. Nobody forced them. As soon as they found out their were multiples, they started their fishing trip to see what freebies they could get. It started with the other home being totally remodeled and look where it went from there.

People complain about the octomom, but Jon & Kate are no different!!!

 

[DreaGirl]

They have grown accustom to a certain lifestyle now that they didn't have pre-show. They now have a mansion, really nice cars, nice clothes, and can go on a 2 week trip at the drop of a hat, for free. If they stop the show all that stops. They will have to pay for things again and they will also have to learn to live outside of the spotlight (something I think J&K both seek).

What I find sad is that both J&K get a break from filming the show. The kids never get a break. They are filming episodes with Mommy, Mommy leaves and they film episodes with Daddy. J & K both get to leave the "set" and live in a private home with no cameras. The kids only have one home, the set. From what I read they couldn't even camp without a camera in the tent!

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on the entourage. I consider the producers on the show Kate's bosses, not co-workers. If I had a bodyguard I would want him to know that I was his boss, not his co-worker, sorry. And if I'm paying PR people and publicists and assistants they better know I'm their boss.

 

[DreaGirl]

Wow, this picture speaks a thousands words.

http://www.tomrichmond.com/blog/2009/07/08/sketch-othe-week-101/