Jodi Arias Trial Part 8 EXTREME CRUELTY: PROVEN

[usnuzuloose]

Jurors about to do public statement. Hope they enjoy their dang holiday weekend. Alexander family has gotten tormented all over again.

On HLN?

 

[BearcatsFan]

Wow. I picked hung jury but was really hoping for the best.

Again, please don't take anything away from this jury based on this decision. They at least kept her off the streets and she's still behind bars. Let's be greatful for that.

Yes my heart breaks for Travis' family. All we can do now is hope the next jury can finish what this jury started.

You're right, of course, Mike ... the jury did the right thing with the first two phases. I do believe she got to someone, or that Willie got to someone when she said, "The question now is ... do you kill her?"

 

[Uncle Remus]

AZCentral just announced a statement from DA's office that they're weighing their options.

 

[horseshowmom]

I'm so upset by this, but probably for much different reasons than everyone else. I can't believe we still live in a society where people actually root for someone's death. I understand the family's anger completely, but its amazing what this has turned into and how people think they know everything about what actually happened.

Maybe it's because I'm a victim of domestic abuse myself and because I spend so much time volunteering for a local shelter, but I can't shake the thought that there's a tiny possibility that Travis wasn't 100% innocent. Seeing what I've seen, I can't help but wonder if she killed him because he didn't have the chance to kill her first. But again, my opinion is extremely biased.

I don't think Travis was 100% innocent. I think he was very guilty - guilty of being a fool who let his sex drive think for him. There is too much evidence that she stalked him for me to believe otherwise.

I think those of us who know somebody like her (and I do, although not to her extent - at least not thus far) are terrified by the fact that we know this could happen to somebody we know. Not everybody agrees with the death penalty, and I'm guessing you don't. I do, particularly in a case as savage as this one. It was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this was premeditated - that completely does away with any question for me that she may reacted in the way you described. JMHO

 

[BearcatsFan]

AZCentral just announced a statement from DA's office that they're weighing their options.

As in taking the DP off the table?

 

[Oreo Cookie]

I was hoping for a unamimous decision of either life or death, and I would have voted death. With that being said, if there was one juror, or several, who for their reasons could not agree we need to respect that. They were doing their job, and we are not sitting in their seats. I have to believe this was extemely emotional for them too.

My heart does break for the Alexander family because I would have wanted them to have this trial completely over.

Pathetic, next time you f***ing fill out a form saying you could give death don't F***ing LIE!

Absolutely, pathetic! This jury's hold-outs should be ashamed of themselves, you don't waste this much time and money and have everything spelled out to you for this many months and NOT GIVE A VERDICT!!!

This jury's hold-outs wasted everybody's time and money! If jurors knew they could not give the DP they should of asked off the jury because they lied on their juror form!

Have some backbone and do the right thing, TA family now has to wait Months to MAYBE get justice! This is a slap in their face! These jurors can say sorry all they want, it does not make-up for it!

The truth will come out who the hold-out or hold-out's were and they will get what is coming to them in the form of ridicule because they defended a murderer from justice and they should be held accountable for their actions!

Is it a crime? No, but in the eyes of many it will be and they will pay in court of public opinion!

We don't know if there was one hold out, or if there was a split of several jurors. If a juror felt there was mitigating factors for life, that is there decision to make. I don't think we should be pulling out the pitch forks against these folks. They did their job to the best of their ability. I'm sure it was very emotional for them to come back and not be able to agree. They've been there since December.

The jury hold outs did not waste the courts time or money. They decided on murder 1 with premeditation, and they decided that the crime was especially cruel so that one of the choices was the DP. The fact that they couldn't agree on LWOP or DP does not mean they didn't do their job. From the beginning this jury has been invested and asking questions. If they could have come to a unanimous decision they would have rendered one.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

For apologizing. They should have come back and given the judge a reason, if it was one they may have been able to replace the juror.

Seriously? If one person doesn't agree, just replace that person with someone who does? How does that even remotely represent the US Justice System? The reason was they couldn't agree. Period.

Pathetic, next time you f***ing fill out a form saying you could give death don't F***ing LIE!

Absolutely, pathetic! This jury's hold-outs should be ashamed of themselves, you don't waste this much time and money and have everything spelled out to you for this many months and NOT GIVE A VERDICT!!!

This jury's hold-outs wasted everybody's time and money! If jurors knew they could not give the DP they should of asked off the jury because they lied on their juror form!

Have some backbone and do the right thing, TA family now has to wait Months to MAYBE get justice! This is a slap in their face! These jurors can say sorry all they want, it does not make-up for it!

The truth will come out who the hold-out or hold-out's were and they will get what is coming to them in the form of ridicule because they defended a murderer from justice and they should be held accountable for their actions!

Is it a crime? No, but in the eyes of many it will be and they will pay in court of public opinion!

Calm down and grow up. The bolded is despicable.

Wow. I picked hung jury but was really hoping for the best.

Again, please don't take anything away from this jury based on this decision. They at least kept her off the streets and she's still behind bars. Let's be greatful for that.

Yes my heart breaks for Travis' family. All we can do now is hope the next jury can finish what this jury started.

T-Man, I appreciate your input and rational thinking throughout this trial. It was an pleasure serving on this jury with you.

Jurors are NOT talking, and their names will be sealed. I don't blame them. They may talk at one point.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

AZCentral just announced a statement from DA's office that they're weighing their options.

Maybe they could take death off the table for LWOP. Arias' life will be hell in prison, it's not going to be like the sheriff's jail. It's a whole new ball game, and she will be just a prisoner with a number, no special treatment, no interviews. She'll have a very lonely existence.

 

[Uncle Remus]

As in taking the DP off the table?

Could be, lots of good info from AZCentral right now, much better than HLN geeks.

 

[usnuzuloose]

Seriously? If one person doesn't agree, just replace that person with someone who does? How does that even remotely represent the US Justice System? The reason was they couldn't agree. Period.Calm down and grow up. The bolded is despicable. T-Man, I appreciate your input and rational thinking throughout this trial. It was an pleasure serving on this jury with you.

Jurors are NOT talking, and they're names will be sealed. I don't blame them. They may talk at one point.

Nancy Grace was explaining that if one could not make a decision and wanted out they could replace that juror.

 

[BearcatsFan]

Could be, lots of good info from AZCentral right now, much better than HLN geeks.

Thanks for the info - just fired it up.

 

[Oreo Cookie]

Wow. I picked hung jury but was really hoping for the best.

Again, please don't take anything away from this jury based on this decision. They at least kept her off the streets and she's still behind bars. Let's be greatful for that.

Yes my heart breaks for Travis' family. All we can do now is hope the next jury can finish what this jury started.

I agree. This jury did their job to the best of their ability. We weren't in their shoes for the past several months, and it's easy for us to say what we would have done, but they ultimately had to make the decisions. Arias is guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder, so she hopefully will never go free. Her life will be a lonely pathetic existence. She'll fade into the background, and life in Perryville will be much different than at the Sheriff's jail.

 

[WDW in Pearls]

Pathetic, next time you f***ing fill out a form saying you could give death don't F***ing LIE!

Absolutely, pathetic! This jury's hold-outs should be ashamed of themselves, you don't waste this much time and money and have everything spelled out to you for this many months and NOT GIVE A VERDICT!!!

This jury's hold-outs wasted everybody's time and money! If jurors knew they could not give the DP they should of asked off the jury because they lied on their juror form!

Have some backbone and do the right thing, TA family now has to wait Months to MAYBE get justice! This is a slap in their face! These jurors can say sorry all they want, it does not make-up for it!

The truth will come out who the hold-out or hold-out's were and they will get what is coming to them in the form of ridicule because they defended a murderer from justice and they should be held accountable for their actions!

Is it a crime? No, but in the eyes of many it will be and they will pay in court of public opinion!

It scares me that someone can be this angry over something that, essentially, they just saw on TV. Please don't take this as me trying to start an argument, but please seek therapy.

I would never wish anything ill upon the jury. They didn't kill Travis, but they DID make sure that his killer would never be able to hurt anyone else. Why should we be upset with them for that? It's not like life in prison is a reward.

 

[Nancy]

I too, as much as I am sad for Travis's family, think this jury did a decent job. I'm just a little surprised that those who were going for the death penalty could not be talked down to life. I imagine that would be easier than trying to talk someone into the death penalty.

And in all honesty we are all thinking that the hold out was someone who could not vote for death..but what if the hold out was the other way? What if one person would not change their vote to life?

 

[Oreo Cookie]

Could be, lots of good info from AZCentral right now, much better than HLN geeks.

Much better coverage.

 

[hereyago]

Wow jury wimped out on talking.

 

[WDW in Pearls]

I don't think Travis was 100% innocent. I think he was very guilty - guilty of being a fool who let his sex drive think for him. There is too much evidence that she stalked him for me to believe otherwise.

I think those of us who know somebody like her (and I do, although not to her extent - at least not thus far) are terrified by the fact that we know this could happen to somebody we know. Not everybody agrees with the death penalty, and I'm guessing you don't. I do, particularly in a case as savage as this one. It was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this was premeditated - that completely does away with any question for me that she may reacted in the way you described. JMHO

I was talking to my mom about this and I definitely see your point. As I had mentioned before, I was a victim of abuse myself. I'm alive and so is he (I think, I haven't talked to him in years). It's not like this was her only option. Did the abuse cause her this anger and emotion? Possibly, but I and many other women felt the same way and didn't kill anyone. If she would have taken responsibility for her life and saw a therapist she could be living a normal life like the rest of us, but you can't save people who won't save themselves I guess.

 

[BearcatsFan]

I too, as much as I am sad for Travis's family, think this jury did a decent job. I'm just a little surprised that those who were going for the death penalty could not be talked down to life. I imagine that would be easier than trying to talk someone into the death penalty.

And in all honesty we are all thinking that the hold out was someone who could not vote for death..but what if the hold out was the other way? What if one person would not change their vote to life?

ITA with you - I think it could have gone either way with who was digging their heels in. Could have been someone who wanted LWOP (or several someones), or could easily have been someone (or several someones) who wanted the DP.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I think those of us who know somebody like her (and I do, although not to her extent - at least not thus far) are terrified by the fact that we know this could happen to somebody we know. Not everybody agrees with the death penalty, and I'm guessing you don't. I do, particularly in a case as savage as this one. It was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this was premeditated - that completely does away with any question for me that she may reacted in the way you described. JMHO

horseshowmom, I think you and I could stay up all night at a slumber party talking about our respective BPD persons. We "get" the Jodi type all too well.

I was hoping for a unamimous decision of either life or death, and I would have voted death. With that being said, if there was one juror, or several, who for their reasons could not agree we need to respect that. They were doing their job, and we are not sitting in their seats. I have to believe this was extemely emotional for them too.

My heart does break for the Alexander family because I would have wanted them to have this trial completely over.

We don't know if there was one hold out, or if there was a split of several jurors. If a juror felt there was mitigating factors for life, that is there decision to make. I don't think we should be pulling out the pitch forks against these folks. They did their job to the best of their ability. I'm sure it was very emotional for them to come back and not be able to agree. They've been there since December.

The jury hold outs did not waste the courts time or money. They decided on murder 1 with premeditation, and they decided that the crime was especially cruel so that one of the choices was the DP. The fact that they couldn't agree on LWOP or DP does not mean they didn't do their job. From the beginning this jury has been invested and asking questions. If they could have come to a unanimous decision they would have rendered one.

I agree. EXCEPT...it would have been DP or "Life", and the judge decides with or without parole at sentencing a month or two later. I think if it was between DP and LWOP it may have been easier, and that they would have decided on "LWOP."

 

[Uncle Remus]

I too, as much as I am sad for Travis's family, think this jury did a decent job. I'm just a little surprised that those who were going for the death penalty could not be talked down to life. I imagine that would be easier than trying to talk someone into the death penalty.

And in all honesty we are all thinking that the hold out was someone who could not vote for death..but what if the hold out was the other way? What if one person would not change their vote to life?