Is this line cutting?

[smidgy]

What you find though, is that people CANNOT handle the idea that someone is doing something other than standing in a line when confronted with the SIGHT of said person appearing. They literally cannot process the fact that their actual wait time has not changed one second by said person appearing because they were – virtually – in front of them the whole time
It makes no logical sense and the World would be a better place if everyone just realized that the wait is the wait is the wait, , it doesn’t change if someone joins their family, because they were always ahead of you :

the problem with this "reasoning" : if someone is in line and leaves, then RETURNS, they are REJOINING the line. and they were already firgured into the "wait time" posted.
as far as joining up with those already in line:
I really don't care that the "actual" wait time hasn't changed when 4 dads pass me, with one or 2 kids each.. what I care about is the posted wait time time when I DECIDED to join the line.

my actual wait time might not have changed. but I didn't KNOW that when I decided to join the queue..

 

[Wadecool]

Just as people will justifiably speed for legitimate reasons (like taking a seriously injured person to a hospital), there are (very few) legitimate reasons for leaving, then returning to a queue. Potty emergencies are nearly universally accepted (no pun intended) as one of those reasons.

But see the earlier comment about the OP's question...



In the spirit of this thus far well-behaved discussion, I will NOT go there...

Regarding the grape eating, you would not believe what I witnessed recently when wandering the
aisles if Sams Club while waiting for new tires to be installed on the family truckster. People will
literally open up those large packages of food and just have a taste, and if they don't like it, put
the opened food item back on the shelf. Moral of the story: always the check factory seal. But I digress...

 

[tony609]

wow tough call, there are legit reasons someone my step out of line. If I were in line i would just assume the person had a good reason and let them pass and go about my business. i like to get in character lines and my DP has gone off to smoke and joined me later in line if i was still a few people from the front. However that is usually an outdoor line like MK Town Square, or Animal Kingdom Camp Minnie Mickey where he doesn't have to really squeeze by anyone to join me.We don't do it on attractions, or lines like EPCOT Character connection.

 

[Suellen]

I NEVER would wish ANYTHING like that on my WORST enemy EVER!!!!! WHat I did say is one day it WILL affect your family..Its just more common than people think. I am VERY sorry you took it that way. I never intended it to come off that way

Once again
I never said a child asking questions hurt his feeling..Kids are just kids he too is a kid...but a very smart and wise kid..and know kids will be kids..asking is how they learn...its the adults that "talk to the husbands and kids" about how those people are "cutting"

As I said before...I know you know the people I am talking about. I was being judgmental on what you said. I was having a bad day to be honest...and took my past ex. out on you for a big misunderstanding of what you said. I am VERY sorry.

Quite honestly I often have to shush her and we discuss her question later.

We are not loud people at all. We don't say things loud for people to overhear. Okay.... well.... I must admit we will occasionally through out a "how long does this monorail take to get to Pop anyway!" just for fun.

But also honestly my "chat" with husband is usually a non verbal glance with raised eyebrow and rolled eyes. Funny how after you are together so long no verbal communication is really needed to get your meaning across.

Anyway... no worries ~ we all have bad days!

 

[Bullseye]

The cavalier attitude I'm referring to are the line cutters themselves. If Disney started allowing this behavior as "acceptable", more and more people would start doing it. It'd become a new form of "fast pass" where one person waits in line while the rest of the family does something else. It wouldn't take long to catch-on with the public. It will start as more and more people decide that they are above everyone else and that rules don't apply to them.

Right! if your'e waiting in line for food or the bathroom is it ok for someone to cut in front of you there?? Nobody should lose their cool at WDW for the sake of Guests around them but why are people so reticent to let a line cutter know they're wrong!

Now there you go, tossing out irrefutable facts like basic physics. It is so "aggravating" when someone uses the laws of nature in a debate about line cutting.

Physics was really hard in college.. fortunately, waiting your turn in line is something you learn in kindergarten for most people.

 

[smidgy]

I think it depends on the circumstances.

If your young child suddenly needs to use the restroom.. You can explain to others as you leave the line what is happening. Most people are going to understand.

Last time I was at Disney I had a circumstance where one of the members of my party got out of line.. My 13 year old son was standing in line with us and suddenly got a bloody nose. He got out of line to grab some tissue out of the stroller to take care of it. When he came back he came up the outside of the line to tell me he was ok. I think about 90 percent of the line was happy to know he was ok and alot of people encouraged him to get back in line with us. He didn't have any intention of cutting, but people in line told him to rejoin us.

Now if you are waiting in line and suddenly someone you havent seen at all before decides they are going to join the rest of their group than i think thats line cutting.

on the same trip in the same line where my son had his bloody nose there was a man and a woman standing two groups in front of us. We were in the line about 20 min and they would board on the next turn and suddenly up comes the line 6 children. The man and woman had got inline without their children because the children didn't want to wait in the line. Now since this was the same exact line who had allowed my son back in they all obviously had the same opinion I had about what was line cutting and what was not and to everyone there that was line cutting.

Needless to say a CM took care of the problem and their entire family was escourted out of line. I even vouluntered to leave the line because my son had"cut" but the CM had also saw what had happened in our situation and they did not feel my son had cut because people inline allowed him to reenter.

So I guess it depends.

great post! common sense combined with civility and politeness.

and I think most people would agree and follow these guidelines. (you can't REJOIN a line you were never in... little kids need to use the bathroom.. etc.)
but stopping someone NOT fitting these parameters in NO way "ruins".. my trip, .. impedes on "the happiest place on earth" , OR my enjoyment of it.. OR passes on some kind of "negative energy" . (I promise to keep my electrons to myself)

 

[JennyMP03]

Just here to commend OP on being a Mad Men fan.

 

[KellyNY]

Can someone take a picture of this misterios sign with Disney rules, the one we heard about and never saw, and post it in a sticky or something about line cutting, so we could stop getting those threads every 2 weeks. I know, do not like it, do not read it, but seriously how often this question asked with a pure intention to stir as nobody ever agrees.

 

[smidgy]

I'm with you, it just doesn't bother me.

Something else that many people on here seem to forget - Disney attracts people from every country and every nationality on earth, and not all cultures share the same "rules" (I put that in scare quotes because, as we all know, Disney doesn't actually have "rules" against it). For many people it isn't considered rude or anything else, mostly because they recognize that, in reality, it doesn't really inconvenience anyone other than having to move their bodies to one side long enough for the person to pass. It's a perception thing, those that try to physically block your way can't stand the thought of someone not actually going through the length of pain they have endured by standing in line, even though letting a few people by to catch up to their party may delay their getting on the ride by 30 seconds, max.

too bad. they are visitng OUR country. "when in Rome..."
in many countires, they don't tip, either. in the USA, we Do tip. if you travel abroad, research the customs, ie, norms and mores(pronounced Mor-ays), of the country you are VISITING.

Being someone that used to be a tad high strung, I would have (and have, years ago) reacted in much the same way. Even though I was right, I was the one that came off looking like a loud, obnoxious jerk. My saintly wife patiently taught me not to let those things bother me.

have to revert to a Fawty Towers episode here..."he's a bit high strung".. Basil Fawlty..."he should be!"

I agee. From my view point, it is usually the hothead that looks bad. I end up feeling sorry for the rest in their group because that person seems to be focusing on all negative aspects of the trip. I've traveled with one before, and despite the perks we got from the person's constant complaining, it wasn't worth it. It was quite embarrassing.

just because someone does not allow someone else to walk all over them and their family, does not make them a "hot head". and does NOT mean they are focusing on "negative aspects of the trip".

I will very cheerfully and positivelynot allow 5 people to suposedly "REjoin " their group. and I promise not to emit any electrons (negative "energy") in the process.

 

[smidgy]

however, a child who needed the bathroom, or a special needs child, etc. not a problem AT ALL! and I think most people abide by these unwritten "rules".

 

[DonDraper]

Just here to commend OP on being a Mad Men fan.

lol thank you

 

[DonDraper]

Oh, and yes I will eat a grape or two before I buy. No one likes "sour grapes".

That has to be a joke.

 

[jemmouse]

I personally don't care if someone comes in to meet their party. Maybe they have mobility issues that are naked to the eye and can't stand still, or maybe they had to go to the bathroom, or maybe well don't care. One or two people it's fine, BUT if more than 3 adults came well usually there aren't health issues for all 3 and then I might be bothered. But overall I am at Disney with my family and I am not gonna let that aggravate me...

 

[DonDraper]

On a trip last year, there was a young teenager and his gf and they were cutting up to their family. The teenager was walking with his arm extended brushing people aside and saying with a rye grin on his face, "I have to catch up to my mommy."

 

[Miaka]

I hope people dont' glare at me if it happens, but sometimes my four year old daughter has to GO NOW! I'll just take her and meet the rest at the end of the ride and just skip it, it didn't happen last year when we took the other three kids and waited in lines and I wouldn't feel right about getting back in line. I will say at the back Lot Tour someone pushed past me and my husband with their group of 7 and ended up seperating us from our children (we like to keep them in front of us so we have eye contact at all time.) I told them politily they had gotten between us and our children and after they let us back in front to meet the three of them, I smiled sweetly and thanked them, but I kept an eye on them and made sure they didn't do the same again to us because they HAD to be in front of us. I was not confrontational, I was not Rude, I moved with the line, but I kept my husband and myself standing together as a barrier between others and our children. IF that's rude and impolite so be it, but I have the right as a parent to not have my children pushed out of the way, I didn't harm anyone by keeping them next to me. as a matter of fact, the weird cue at Back Lot Tour has large masses moving into relativelly narrower areas so in some cases, a family would start to push past us, and drag their other kids behind them, I would just let them go, teaching my children that it's better at times to just not be confrontational and enjoy our time together talking in line then give dirty looks and grump about it. Last year my husband and older two children went to do Everest, and half way there my oldest son decided he didn't want to go on it. So i walked back with the younger boy prepared to meet them and wait while they got back in line. A cast member heard me talking to my husband on my phone and she told me to tell him to wait in line to another Cast Member and they would escort my son to me through the Fast pass line. So my son got to get out of line, and my Husband and Daughter didn't have to. He changed his mind 5 minutes later and I told him it was too late, he got out of line and his brother was too small to ride. We would go wait at the bone yard. It's about respect and politeness. is it line cutting? hard to say everyone has their own definition, it could be yes it could be no, The thing I want my children to know is that pushing ahead to be in line does no good, makes people crabby and sometimes it's better not to cut off your nose to spite your face by being angry at people about it. Afterall, the ride isn't going anywhere, it's not like space mountain is going to dissapear while we're standing in line.

 

[CurlyJo224]

That is your comparision to "My 2 year old has to go potty"??

Oh, and yes I will eat a grape or two before I buy. No one likes "sour grapes".

Those grapes you eat are stolen, and the line you cut in, whether with a child or not, is breaking rules. Unenforced rules are still rules.

 

[GinnyEmma]

Wow, the mean people took over the thread overnight!

I will reiterate that mean people will disrupt my happy vacation far more quickly than someone sliding up to meet back with family.

 

[Kona65]

No, I don't see this as line cutting. I have no problem with this. This is what makes reading the Dis so much fun......No one can agree on anything.......

 

[DonaldTDuck]

When all rides use 'Queueless' lines, there will be no line cutting or joiners. Wonder if this is what Disney had in mind all along? And yes, op, it's cutting.

 

[blu3d3vil]

Yes I consider it line cutting but I really don't care. I still do it.