Is this line cutting?

[Mkrop]

Wow, the mean people took over the thread overnight!

I will reiterate that mean people will disrupt my happy vacation far more quickly than someone sliding up to meet back with family.

So people are mean because they dont agree with you...interesting!

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Wow, the mean people took over the thread overnight!

I will reiterate that mean people will disrupt my happy vacation far more quickly than someone sliding up to meet back with family.

And I will reiterate that rude and entitled people are the ones that ruin everyone's vacation thinking they have the right to bypass the line, increasing the wait of everyone who has been following the rules, just because they were too impatient to wait for their family in the first place.

 

[GinnyEmma]

It has nothing to do with agreeing with me. But anyone who is gets so up in arms about family catching up is far more negative than anyone I want to be around. Mean was the easiest and quickest way to say it on my tiny keyboard.

It doesn't affect me. I am not going to be getting all snitty about stuff like that on vacation.

 

[MJ6987]

Is this a bit like the scenario where one person gets a great position for the parade and then the rest of the familiy comes to join them 2 minutes before the parade starts?

I hope so, *** I love it when that is discussed on here!

 

[GinnyEmma]

Is this a bit like the scenario where one person gets a great position for the parade and then the rest of the familiy comes to join them 2 minutes before the parade starts?

I hope so, *** I love it when that is discussed on here!

lol, last trip I saw someone block off a place with chalk.I thought of the dis immediately. Just to start it up, I don't care if little kids come and sit in front of us. We are all tall people. Good enough?

I don't see ignorant as rude and entitled. As I said earlier there are even examples in books like the unofficial guide's chuck bubba plan, that suggest it is proper ettiquete to cut time.

 

[Wadecool]

And I will reiterate that rude and entitled people are the ones that ruin everyone's vacation thinking they have the right to bypass the line, increasing the wait of everyone who has been following the rules, just because they were too impatient to wait for their family in the first place.

Couldn't agree more! It's funny how the line cutters somehow always end up being made out to be the good guys in these threads, isn't it?

 

[GinnyEmma]

Couldn't agree more! It's funny how the line cutters somehow always end up being made out to be the good guys in these threads, isn't it?

lol, I just called them ignorant if that helps.And not worth my time or negative energy. Not exactly complimentary.

Eta: ok, can't leave that. Parents dealing with little ones or those with special needs I do not see you as ignorant. Was thinking of those who send someone ahead.

 

[GinnyEmma]

Well, you are right. I'd rather hang with the rule breakers than those who think it is their job to act as vigilantes. I dont trust people who think it is their job to enforce their view o the situation. If Disney has a problem with little people needing a rr break it is their job to enforce their rules. If they have a problem with the fp runners joining lines then they need to stop it. (as they do at tsm.)

 

[Rip]

A bit bitter are we? I know it's meant tongue-in-cheek (at least I hope so), but it's not kids that we're talking about in this thread...it's mostly parents who are breaking the no-line-cutting rules. And I hope you're saying that those who follow rules shouldn't be allowed in the parks.

Each time I post, I feel a need to clarify that I don't ever say anything to those cutting in line and it has no impact on my vacation. That said, to me, those who do it are cutting in line as they are not following Disney "rule" of having the entire party together before entering the queue. I remember at TSM, the CM shouting this over and over to those entering the queue right after rope drop. I would never do it myself or allow my kids to do it. I don't want to inconvenience others just to shorten the wait for my family. We'll do what Disney asks and have the whole party together before entering the queue. If you want to be rude, go right ahead and I'll let you pass by with a smile on my face.




As an FYI, we ALWAYS sit in the front row on Soarin'. We rode it 5 times on our last day at Epcot. When we get to the boarding area, we tell the CM that we want to sit in the front row. They will have us move to the next boarding group to be in the front row or we will wait a "cycle" for the next ride to begin. Just ask...the CM's are very accomodating.

To me, it's similar to the front row waiting area for EE. Just ask and you can wait a little extra in the special line in order to get the front row.

Um, if you knew it was tongue in cheek, you'd know I'm not the least bit bitter (besides, that post was actually directed at some people who did complain about kids having to hit the head while in line).

There you go quoting nonexistent rules again.

 

[Rip]

Nope. They wont go around me. Basic physics will tell you that two objects cannot occupy the same space. The majority of queues in WDW are single file. They cannot get past without me moving aside and I simply will not.

Yup it bothers me, but not enough to ruin my day. I'll go on chatting with my family, who entered the line all together.

Actually, in almost every line there are place where one can simply duck under a rope, chain, or something similar. On top of that, unless you're quite wide about the only thing you can do in many spots is stretch your arms out. I'd just duck underneath them and go right past you.

 

[Disneyhayes]

I know this may not apply to everyone but my husband said that if one of the kids has to go to the potty while we are in line then one of us will take that kid to the potty then get in the end of the line. So here is the scenario:

Mommy, Daddy, DDbig and DDlittle are in line. DDlittle has to go potty so mommy takes her and get in the end of line. Daddy and DDbig ride then go to the potty, get a dole whip or mickey bar then meet mommy and DDlittle after their turn to ride. If the line is too long for this to work out then we wouldn't get back in line after getting out to go potty.

If you have to pull over to the side of the road in stopped traffic on the free way to get something or whatever and the traffic starts moving it is ILLEGAL to drive down the berm to get back to "your place" on the road. There might not be a police officer to catch you but it's still not allowed Not saying it's illegal to cut in line but it is against the rules although it may not be enforced. But the way people talk on here about "physically holding their spot" or "holding their ground" it could be just as dangerous as driving down the berm and cutting into traffic

 

[WrenNCuckoos]

My personal opinion is that it's not really line cutting, if it's rejoining the line.

You may want to avoid the parks in Fenruary if this bothers you, as I will be travelling with my two young children, who do not always know they are going to have to pee an hour ahead of time, and my mother, who has health problems making it very painful for her to stand in line for long. It is likely that our family group will cut in line by some people's definition at least once in the 2 weeks we will be there. If I took my child to the bathroom and we then missed out on the ride altogether or she had to stand in the whole line over again, I'm guessing the next time she won't ask to go. Would you really prefer to be the person behind her who has to step around the puddle she leaves or have the whole ride stopped while a wet seat is cleaned rather than just let a little kid leave the line for a quick trip to the bathroom then rejoin her family?

 

[Rip]

Not likely. They were part of the well-mannered silent majority who usually don't say anything because they can't think of anything to say, and/or their self-esteem has been beaten out of them by the institutionalized babysitting we call an education system.

As for being obnoxious, the cutter is the one breaking societal norm -- being obnoxious -- not the person noting the aberrant behavior.

Actually, if the person asking to get by is being polite (I'm sorry, excuse me, I got seperated from my family and I'm trying to catch up to them, thank you) and you become loud and obnoxious and make general comments about it rather than quietly directly address the person you're referring to, it's generally you that looks like a jerk (and actually very passive-aggressive, which most people find fairly cowardly).

 

[longstangetrip]

All the analysis kills me. I don't care. It has NEVER been rampant on my 11 trips. Everyone has a story and we don't know it and they aren't obliged to share it. A polite "excuse me" is all I need. We've all had bathroom issues, slow kids, lost wallets, non apparent health issues, unforseen emergencies, cell phone calls we have to take, blisters, etc. Yes, it is best to enter the queue as a group and stay that way but even WDW isn't perfect. Ease up. The blockers? Physically not letting someone (even a kid?) get to their family? Really? Really? Do they just stand there behind you after excusing themselves past everyone to that point? Cast members do not enforce any sort of line cutting policy and even help people catch up with their groups (as posted on here by an eye witness) so that says a lot.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

In multiple visits to WDW/DLR I've only had a few times where someone was trying to catch up with family members further up in the line. As mentioned by several previous posters, I really don't have an issue with it if they are polite, (and in most cases it's usually obvious what happened when it's a parent with a small child). Most families want to experience attractions together and I really don't think it's that much of an imposition for me to let them do it.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

the problem with this "reasoning" : if someone is in line and leaves, then RETURNS, they are REJOINING the line. and they were already firgured into the "wait time" posted.
as far as joining up with those already in line:
I really don't care that the "actual" wait time hasn't changed when 4 dads pass me, with one or 2 kids each.. what I care about is the posted wait time time when I DECIDED to join the line.

my actual wait time might not have changed. but I didn't KNOW that when I decided to join the queue..

Yes, to me there is zero question that rejoining a queue you were already in is not cutting. It is just so patently absurd to argue differently I cannot even debate it anymore.

As for space saving effecting your wait time...I do see your point....and I agree with so many others here that in the end it just isn't worth worrying about.

I would much prefer a World in which people were politely allowed to pass to and fro in a queue, and those who want to multi-task would not be frowned upon (and stink eyed) by the queue luddites.

 

[goofyernmost]

It's entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but don't assume I'm a speeder either. I also am in the minority of drivers that follow the speed limit and let me tell you- the people behind me getting angry or driving right on my tail make me so nervous. I'm a young driver and I've been in too many accidents (with other drivers) to drive recklessly. I wish these people would imagine how they would feel if somebody was doing the same things to their own child.

OT but being a teacher and advocate of defensive driving, whenever I hear someone say "I've been in too many accidents to drive recklessly" this question comes to mind. Are you driving defensively then? There is a difference between driving non-recklessly and driving defensively. If you are going slower then the flow of traffic and you are in the passing lane, and holding it, then you are not driving safely. Even though you may think that you are OK because you are within the speed limit and the rest can just pound it, you are setting yourself up to be in an accident. Now it may not be your fault, legally, but it won't take long for your insurance company to notice that you are involved. Whenever you are involved often enough, they assume that you are not doing anything to avoid the problem, in fact, by assumption, you may be the party that is causing it.

Just food for thought. Driving slowly is not necessarily driving safely. One example that I see all the time is...you're driving down an interstate highway when you come to an entrance ramp. You have room to move to the right in the far lane but you stay in your lane, because, well, it's your lane and have a right to be in it. You just did everything according to the letter of the law, but you did not drive defensively and you put yourself in the position of being hit when a slight move to the right would have taken away that risk. Would your way be the best way to avoid an accident? Obviously not.

Sorry, I just realized that you said that you were in accidents (with other driver), in other words you were not driving. Correct? I wrote this as if you were driving, but I am going to leave it because I think that the message is important and you may be able to gain something from it.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

My personal opinion is that it's not really line cutting, if it's rejoining the line.

You cannot "rejoin" the line if you were never in it to begin with. The OP was asking if one member of the family who hangs back (for fastpasses, snacks, bathroom break etc) can move through the line to catch up with his or her family.

That individual was never in the line, so they cannot "rejoin."

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Actually, in almost every line there are place where one can simply duck under a rope, chain, or something similar. On top of that, unless you're quite wide about the only thing you can do in many spots is stretch your arms out. I'd just duck underneath them and go right past you.

If my arms are out and my legs are at shoulder length, you aren't getting around or under me. Plus, typically I am in line with DDad, who is 6'1, and if we stand side by side, there is no way past us.

If someone wants to hop into the fastpass line, or duck under and around, by all means, but I am not willingly letting someone past me.

And FYI, in the numerous times I have seen this, the person has never made an attempt to get under me.

There was one instance where the person behind me forcibly shoved DMom & I into the side of the queue in an attempt to move past me. A CM saw him, called other CMs and the person was removed. This occured at the Haunted Mansion, where the line was at the doom buddy boarding area and could not have been longer than a 5 minute wait. The person shoved DMom & I into the marble barrier and the CM working the loading station reported it, without me having to call his attention to it.

So this person, who was trying to jump ahead, felt the need to physically assult me just because I wouldn't move aside. That incident was what changed my mind about line-cutters. They are rude and entitled. There is no reason, outside of a child with a bathroom emergency (which in 40 trips to WDW I have NEVER seen), that any adult should need to force their way through the line.

Why couldn't they have waited for the entire party to enter together?

Why couldn't the family members who entered the line prematurely, step aside, or wait at the load area, and let others pass them as they wait for their family member?

Line-cutters are basically saying that they are "special" and shouldn't have to wait like everyone else.

Somehow, school children as young as 3 or 4 understand the concept of a line and of cutting in line, but full grown, educated adults, don't

 

[Wadecool]

Actually, in almost every line there are place where one can simply duck under a rope, chain, or something similar. On top of that, unless you're quite wide about the only thing you can do in many spots is stretch your arms out. I'd just duck underneath them and go right past you.

At 6'7" 375lbs, (trying to lose some of it, btw ) I definitely fit into the "quite wide" category, so it is not hard for me to stand still and block a que. Now, of course if you are so determined to beat the system that you're willing to go into Mission Impossible mode and want to rappel past me on ropes, shimmy over or under railings, or crawl past me on your hands and knees, then by all means have at it. Otherwise, if you come cruising up in a place where theres no other way past me but to push through, then I'm sorry to say that unless you played defensive tackle at some point, your chances of getting through are slim at best. I will however, offer you a taste of my Dole Whip or Mickey Bar or whatever I'm eating at the time and genuinely wish you a good day, while you wait behind me in line.