Is this line cutting?

[Aurora&Prince]

Honestly, I think you're wrong about what the majority would be thinking. Most would likely be thinking something along the lines of "way to go for standing your ground" and/or "boy do I wish I had the guts to stand up to that jerk cutting line like this guy does".

Where did you get the impression that the person blocking line-cutters would be rude, loud or obnoxious or nasty? I didn't read anything like that. All I read is silent protest by not letting people by. That's quite the leap you're making.

Completely disagree.

It's not a leap at all. Especially when you just spoke for the majority yourself.

 

[Disneyfreak616]

No not at all. I have done this many times. The only thing I hate is when they say that and they're lying. Otherwise, go ahead, catch up with your fam!

 

[KSDisneyDad]

At the risk of stirring the pot, there is another factor to consider. WDW is an international vacation destination. Different cultures have different "line etiquette." When I lived in Germany, I quickly learned that the line at the deli counter, bakery, etc. was much more loosely defined than I was accustomed to. When visiting London, we experienced very orderly queues where cutting was simply not done.

But when you were in Germany, you adapted. Shouldn't those from a culture with a different queue etiquette adapt to the local culture or is it just a one-way street? It wouldn't take that long to figure out that the lines are not loosely defined at WDW (well maybe waiting for the bus at DTD).

Thats what I am talking about...your the people that I KNOW one day will feel what it is like to walk in my shoes. My child LOVES Disney...he is a VERY low func Autistic child...therefore I would LOVE to stand in line next to you...your the people that say stuff when he melts down...yet your also the people that "say stuff to your husband" when people in my situation try to do the best thing for our kids and stay out of line.

He has the right to ride stuff that is an hour wait...try not to judge so quickly...One day you too will know...you WILL have grandkids...and great grandkids...nieces and nephew...and autism is TOO common for it not to reach you one day. Most people would look at a child with autism and NEVER know...so they make those commits like you do to your kids and husband that are BLESSED to wait in line all together. but you know what...I dont even say a word to ppl like you...BUT it does hurt my other child's feelings...and yet I tell him...DONT judge them because they really dont know what they are talking about...QUIETLY!!!!!

I think you're looking for an argument that's not there. The PP said they never said anything to the person cutting in line. They never said they made a comment loud enough for anyone else to hear. Like you, they probably discussed it quietly among themselves. They may even explain to them that some people have good excuses such as bathroom breaks for kids, illnesses that cannot be seen or perhaps some sort of 'emergency' that caused them to have to step out of line for a while. Please don't be so self-persecuting and assume that everyone who makes a comment to another family member about a line cutter is going to do it in a mean fashion.

but in a party of 5 people for a ride that will hold 6 would somebody really get upset about one person joining the group of 5 ahead? Were you really going to take that extra seat with people you don't know and are probably hot and smelly? Sometimes it's just not worth it to get worked up about.

I've seen people get bent out of shape about stuff like I described. They're just being spiteful--I'm not wasting their time, I'm not hurting them, they just want to piss on everybody's day because they're tired. Is it fair that someone waited less time than you? Maybe not, but what is complaining going to do about it?

In each of my posts, I always posted that we never get worked up about line cutters. Oh well. I guess if you're complaining in line, it gives you something to pass the time watching others cut in front of you.

 

[goofyernmost]

I've told this story before, but it is worth repeating here. I have never, ever concerned myself beyond a minor comment to whomever I was standing with, when someone excused themselves forward in the line. I might have mentioned it but I never really cared.

The only exception to that happened at Soarin'. As you know that is a painfully long wait anyway. I love the front row, but have never said anything or made any special requests to get in it. Luck of the draw was my rule of thumb. Anyway, after waiting half my lifetime in the Q, we were finally up toward the front. There were about 4 people in front of us, so we were going to be in the front row. I was truly excited because a number of my group had never been on Soarin before and, as I said, I feel that the first row is the best experience.

Just before we were going to be put in the final Q, the group in front of us told the CM that some of their friends were further back in the line and they wanted to ride together. To my shock the CM said, "no problem, we'll just have them come down here and join you. She then proceeded to wave them down...they were about 50 feet back...and put them with the others. This meant that we were just bumped from the front row. I couldn't believe that this had just happened. An official Disney sanctioned line jump. For the first time ever I was angry. As we went down to the load area I found the next CM and told her what had happened and said that I really wanted the front row and I felt that I had just been "screwed" out of it.

She did put us in the next loading Q for the front row. Yes, I know it ended OK, but I felt guilty about raising a fuss about it. As I said, something I had never done before in all my years of going to WDW.

I have since calmed down to a low roar but it really just reinforced my mental concept that it didn't matter and the stress I felt that day was not worth the front row. Now I never notice who is where or why they are there or how long they have been there. It just isn't worth it.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I've said it before, Disney should just ban kids. Don't they know there are too many DISers that have all sorts of rules made up in their heads!

A bit bitter are we? I know it's meant tongue-in-cheek (at least I hope so), but it's not kids that we're talking about in this thread...it's mostly parents who are breaking the no-line-cutting rules. And I hope you're saying that those who follow rules shouldn't be allowed in the parks.

Each time I post, I feel a need to clarify that I don't ever say anything to those cutting in line and it has no impact on my vacation. That said, to me, those who do it are cutting in line as they are not following Disney "rule" of having the entire party together before entering the queue. I remember at TSM, the CM shouting this over and over to those entering the queue right after rope drop. I would never do it myself or allow my kids to do it. I don't want to inconvenience others just to shorten the wait for my family. We'll do what Disney asks and have the whole party together before entering the queue. If you want to be rude, go right ahead and I'll let you pass by with a smile on my face.

I've told this story before, but it is worth repeating here. I have never, ever concerned myself beyond a minor comment to whomever I was standing with, when someone excused themselves forward in the line. I might have mentioned it but I never really cared.

The only exception to that happened at Soarin'. As you know that is a painfully long wait anyway. I love the front row, but have never said anything or made any special requests to get in it. Luck of the draw was my rule of thumb. Anyway, after waiting half my lifetime in the Q, we were finally up toward the front. There were about 4 people in front of us, so we were going to be in the front row. I was truly excited because a number of my group had never been on Soarin before and, as I said, I feel that the first row is the best experience.

Just before we were going to be put in the final Q, the group in front of us told the CM that some of their friends were further back in the line and they wanted to ride together. To my shock the CM said, "no problem, we'll just have them come down here and join you. She then proceeded to wave them down...they were about 50 feet back...and put them with the others. This meant that we were just bumped from the front row. I couldn't believe that this had just happened. An official Disney sanctioned line jump. For the first time ever I was angry. As we went down to the load area I found the next CM and told her what had happened and said that I really wanted the front row and I felt that I had just been "screwed" out of it.

She did put us in the next loading Q for the front row. Yes, I know it ended OK, but I felt guilty about raising a fuss about it. As I said, something I had never done before in all my years of going to WDW.

I have since calmed down to a low roar but it really just reinforced my mental concept that it didn't matter and the stress I felt that day was not worth the front row. Now I never notice who is where or why they are there or how long they have been there. It just isn't worth it.

As an FYI, we ALWAYS sit in the front row on Soarin'. We rode it 5 times on our last day at Epcot. When we get to the boarding area, we tell the CM that we want to sit in the front row. They will have us move to the next boarding group to be in the front row or we will wait a "cycle" for the next ride to begin. Just ask...the CM's are very accomodating.

To me, it's similar to the front row waiting area for EE. Just ask and you can wait a little extra in the special line in order to get the front row.

 

[Suellen]

Thats what I am talking about...your the people that I KNOW one day will feel what it is like to walk in my shoes. My child LOVES Disney...he is a VERY low func Autistic child...therefore I would LOVE to stand in line next to you...your the people that say stuff when he melts down...yet your also the people that "say stuff to your husband" when people in my situation try to do the best thing for our kids and stay out of line.

He has the right to ride stuff that is an hour wait...try not to judge so quickly...One day you too will know...you WILL have grandkids...and great grandkids...nieces and nephew...and autism is TOO common for it not to reach you one day. Most people would look at a child with autism and NEVER know...so they make those commits like you do to your kids and husband that are BLESSED to wait in line all together. but you know what...I dont even say a word to ppl like you...BUT it does hurt my other child's feelings...and yet I tell him...DONT judge them because they really dont know what they are talking about...QUIETLY!!!!!

But can't you get a card that puts you in a different waiting area with your child who can't wait in line?

Thanks for wishing harm to my extended family. I appreciate that.

I was clearly not speaking of special needs children. I'm talking people who head off for snacks and drinks or fast passes or whatever is more important than waiting with their family.

I'd chat about it with my husband..... not in front of you or in your earshot. I'm not one of those passive aggressive people that just talk loudly about the line cutters without saying it directly to them. And well if my kid hurt your kids feelings because they want to know why people are jumping the line they are expected to wait in...... sorry. She's 5. She is learning about being fair and honest and waiting your turn. So she is perplexed and questions when others don't follow the guidelines she is learning in kindergarten.

"why is someone else's kid your problem?". Sad question. Maybe because someday you will need someone to have compassion on you. I figure we all are someone else's problem sometime. Pretty much the basis of community and humanity in general

Yes. Why is it my problem that instead of waiting in line you and your child are riding another ride while dad waits and you two just push through the line when it is almost your turn?? WHY should we wait longer than we originally anticipated?

I must say the only place I've seen this be a problem is at TSM ~ but then that is the only significant line we've waited in. There must have been 30+ people that "rejoined" their group.... yet we had waited more than 90 minutes and never saw these people leave their group.

At Christmas we did wait 60 minutes for Jungle Cruise (the kids wanted to so we did) and with about 20 people in front of us my newly potty trained 4 year old needed to go.... NOW. We waited until we got to a CM ~ explained our situation and asked how to get out of line to get to the restroom. She handed us FP's and let us out the exit. Now she didn't have to do that. We would have gotten back in at the end of the line. As a matter of fact we still waited 15-20 more minutes in the FP line. Such is life. I certainly wasn't going to push my way to the front of the FP line because "Hey I already waited once!"


I just don't understand what is so hard to understand about how a line works.

 

[Mkrop]

Unlikely. Most of them probably thought you were being obnoxious and it probably raised everyone's stress level in hearing range.

But hey, it made you feel better to be loud and obnoxious, so go for it!

Really because you were there???? People told her she should go to the end, that she should not be cutting, she threaten to get a CM and a guy behind me said go right ahead, you are in the wrong lady etc,that guy even told her she should be kicked out bc of her cutting (guess he was wrong based on other comments on this thread) people were thoroughly annoyed with her and her companion who both cut in line...trust me I was not alone in my annoyance but hey think whatever you want. I wasnt with a large group of people, I did not know anyone else in the que except my family. These were strangers who were sick of the line cutting by first the one lady and then her friend and her child. It was in POTC. Why would I make stuff up???

 

[Mkrop]

In all my trips to Disney I have never had that happen. If it does though the simple solution would be for the half ahead to go back to the other half behind. Why should the ones behind be "allowed to pass to get to them" when it could very easily be the reverse? If riding together with your family is important to you (as it certainly is to me and most people) then you should not mind going back to join them and letting the people dividing your family ahead of you. To use your thinking "What's the difference if one or two people pass you? There are always two sides to the coin.

Why do kids in school know how to line up and know not to cut in line and when one of them do they call them out on it because it is not the right thing to do.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Then they'll go around you 99% of the time. If it bothers you enough to stop them, then, like I said earlier, it obviously is affecting your zip a dee whatever time.

Nope. They wont go around me. Basic physics will tell you that two objects cannot occupy the same space. The majority of queues in WDW are single file. They cannot get past without me moving aside and I simply will not.

Yup it bothers me, but not enough to ruin my day. I'll go on chatting with my family, who entered the line all together.

 

[Nevaland]

Don't really care if it is or it isn't. I was never one to count my christmas gifts so I'm not one to be the Lieutenant of the Line. We just go to have fun and try to make our trip as stress free as possible. We're all there to have fun. I understand that it bothers others it just doesn't bother us. To each is own!!!

 

[Suellen]

Don't really care if it is or it isn't. I was never one to count my christmas gifts so I'm not one to be the Lieutenant of the Line. We just go to have fun and try to make our trip as stress free as possible. We're all there to have fun. I understand that it bothers others it just doesn't bother us. To each is own!!!

Ahhhhh but would YOU do it? Would you have 1/2 your party enter the line and then try to catch up with them?

 

[castmember19]

No, I don't think it's cutting. It doesn't personally bother me at all, I always assume somebody has a good reason for having to catch up with the rest of their family.

For example, my mother and I were getting on Space Mountain and didn't realize a cast member had stopped my father for some reason or another... can't remember why... we were already standing in line when we realized he was gone, figured he would catch up to us and didn't budge.

A woman did get mad at my mother and I one time in the line for Haunted Mansion... except that it wasn't really a line, just more of a crowd of people walking in the same direction and my mother has trouble walking so we fell just a few people behind (Like the first situation, he didn't notice we weren't directly behind him so he walked on.) A woman got mad at us and called us cutters and gave us dirty looks. It was annoying, we were all going to the same place anyway (the stretching room) where we would all be pushed together so what's the big deal? It made me mad that she was giving my poor mother attitude when she was struggling to catch up...

If such a situation were to occur in your own family, you wouldn't want people thinking or saying anything negative to you, so why would you do it to them? You're still at Disney, you're still getting on the ride... Bummer if you have to wait just a minute more.

 

[larryz]

I don't really consider it "cutting" if it doesn't effect the people behind them.

Is that like speeding isn't really speeding if you don't get a ticket?

Or cheating on your taxes isn't really cheating if you don't get audited?

Or nibbling on fruit in the grocery store isn't really stealing because people do it all the time, besides the store expects it and if they didn't like it, they'd put plastic wrap on everything...?

Is that what you mean?

 

[magicbob]

But when you were in Germany, you adapted. Shouldn't those from a culture with a different queue etiquette adapt to the local culture or is it just a one-way street?

True. My observation was not to excuse the cutting, but simply to explain that some international visitors may not understand that it's a big deal to some because that's normal etiquette for lines in their country. They may not be visiting here long enough to adapt. Whether right or wrong, that's just part of the reality.

I am one to be very understanding about families getting separated, etc. Even though I do believe it's by definition cutting in line, there are circumstances when I think the right thing to do is to allow folks to get ahead of you. The example of a child needing to leave the line to use the restroom is a good example. Even if re-entering the line is technically cutting, I for one feel that I can afford to be a generous enough human being to help that person out and let them ahead of me. You can generally tell when someone is sincerely contrite and just trying to catch up with someone they've been separated from and those who feel entitled to "head of the line" privileges because they just don't want to stand in the line. THOSE are the folks that bug me a bit.

Like I said in a previous post, I've had a huge group pushing past us to join their two kids. That was the only occasion when I momentarily got a little hot under the collar about it because they appeared to know full well what they were doing and just didn't care. They were openly smug, but I refused to let it ruin my day. What goes around comes around. They'll get theirs.

I do agree with some who said, if it's important to stay together than why not move BACK to join the rest of your party? Again, going back to my example of the large group, it seems to me that the two kids in front were separated from their group rather than the other way around! It would have been appropriate for the kids to move back to join the rest, but some people's concept of lines apparently includes "saving a spot for everyone."

I've been in parks and stopped momentarily to throw an empty drink cup into a trash can (the trash can was IN the queue, mind you) and had 10 people zip past me. They are now between me and my kids. I've practiced what I'm preaching about getting the group back together by moving back rather than up. I'll have my kids move back to where I am or tell them to let people past them until I catch up. I'd rather let a few people ahead of me than deal with the hassle of trying to squeeze past, even though more times than not, I'm separated from my family because those folks cut ahead of me in the first place.

 

[Suellen]

For example, my mother and I were getting on Space Mountain and didn't realize a cast member had stopped my father for some reason or another... can't remember why... we were already standing in line when we realized he was gone, figured he would catch up to us and didn't budge.

A woman did get mad at my mother and I one time in the line for Haunted Mansion... except that it wasn't really a line, just more of a crowd of people walking in the same direction and my mother has trouble walking so we fell just a few people behind (Like the first situation, he didn't notice we weren't directly behind him so he walked on.) A woman got mad at us and called us cutters and gave us dirty looks. It was annoying, we were all going to the same place anyway (the stretching room) where we would all be pushed together so what's the big deal? It made me mad that she was giving my poor mother attitude when she was struggling to catch up...

If such a situation were to occur in your own family, you wouldn't want people thinking or saying anything negative to you, so why would you do it to them? You're still at Disney, you're still getting on the ride... Bummer if you have to wait just a minute more.

This stuff happens to us all the time. We get separated because my DH is afraid to be at ALL aggressive to stay with us so we get separated often. We usually regroup off to the side and proceed in last. Almost every show and anything like HM. No big who-dee who. But this is different because you WERE there.

Pausing and waiting for someone you didn't know was no longer with you is the right thing to do.

Not expecting to get in the line at all until some later time and then pushing past people to catch up??? Not cool.

 

[JessBreen]

I believe it is definitely line cutting, whether you have to use the restroom or not. Last time I was at Disney, a teenaged girl tried to push between my boyfriend and I while we were in line to catch up to her school group. How rude!

 

[castmember19]

Is that like speeding isn't really speeding if you don't get a ticket?

Or cheating on your taxes isn't really cheating if you don't get audited?

Or nibbling on fruit in the grocery store isn't really stealing because people do it all the time, besides the store expects it and if they didn't like it, they'd put plastic wrap on everything...?

Is that what you mean?

You're comparing apples to oranges here... (I never really understood that saying seeing as they're both fruits, but you get the idea and it seemed appropriate.)

There is a huge difference between cheating on your taxes or breaking the law and what some people consider "cutting" at Walt Disney World. Anyway, does arguing this mean that you never speed... ever... not even a little bit?

As for the fruit thing, do people actually do that? I've never heard of it! I'm being sincere here.

Not expecting to get in the line at all until some later time and then pushing past people to catch up??? Not cool.

I agree with this more, but I always assume the best if someone ever tries to push past me and let them through. What would be the point in giving them a hard time about it? That would be ruining somebody else's experience probably as well as my own for allowing myself to get overly upset about it. No, I prefer to let it slide. I suppose if somebody else wants to comment, then it is none of my business.

 

[larryz]

Unlikely. Most of them probably thought you were being obnoxious and it probably raised everyone's stress level in hearing range.

But hey, it made you feel better to be loud and obnoxious, so go for it!

Not likely. They were part of the well-mannered silent majority who usually don't say anything because they can't think of anything to say, and/or their self-esteem has been beaten out of them by the institutionalized babysitting we call an education system.

As for being obnoxious, the cutter is the one breaking societal norm -- being obnoxious -- not the person noting the aberrant behavior.

 

[larryz]

There is a huge difference between cheating on your taxes or breaking the law and what some people consider "cutting" at Walt Disney World. Anyway, does arguing this mean that you never speed... ever... not even a little bit?

It's exactly the right analogy -- Disney's policy is that groups enter the lines together, and line jumping is not allowed. However, they choose not to enforce it strictly. The government's "policy" (in this case, a law) is that you are not to drive faster than X on the highway. The police, however, choose not to ticket you until you're caught driving X+10 (or whatever). That doesn't mean you're not speeding, it just means you didn't get a ticket.

Do I need to go thru the tax analogy in the same manner or can we call this point made?

Oh, and yes, I'm the guy you're cursing at who's driving the speed limit right in front of you. I will usually stay in the right lane, but I will use the left to pass even slower vehicles, and I don't usually speed up when I do it. So if that's you behind me blinking your lights, showing me your single-digit IQ, or riding my bumper hoping to intimidate me into speeding up, I recommend just backing off your speed a bit until I can safely pull over into the right lane.

As for the fruit thing, do people actually do that? I've never heard of it! I'm being sincere here.

You need to hang out by the bulk cherries and grapes. That's where I've seen the most egregious nibbling. People will try to justify it by saying "I wanted to know how sweet/sour they are..." but again, it's misappropriation -- they didn't pay for the fruit they ate. Shoplifting by gustation. Or one could call it "nibblifting."

 

[KSDisneyDad]

No, I don't think it's cutting. It doesn't personally bother me at all, I always assume somebody has a good reason for having to catch up with the rest of their family.

For example, my mother and I were getting on Space Mountain and didn't realize a cast member had stopped my father for some reason or another... can't remember why... we were already standing in line when we realized he was gone, figured he would catch up to us and didn't budge.

A woman did get mad at my mother and I one time in the line for Haunted Mansion... except that it wasn't really a line, just more of a crowd of people walking in the same direction and my mother has trouble walking so we fell just a few people behind (Like the first situation, he didn't notice we weren't directly behind him so he walked on.) A woman got mad at us and called us cutters and gave us dirty looks. It was annoying, we were all going to the same place anyway (the stretching room) where we would all be pushed together so what's the big deal? It made me mad that she was giving my poor mother attitude when she was struggling to catch up...

If such a situation were to occur in your own family, you wouldn't want people thinking or saying anything negative to you, so why would you do it to them? You're still at Disney, you're still getting on the ride... Bummer if you have to wait just a minute more.

You're correct. We wanted want others thinking anything of us. When we have toured WDW with extended family, we have experienced those in our group who are a bit slower than we are due to either age, health or just pure slowness. When we get separated, it would have been easy for us to enter the queue and have them catch-up at their own pace. Instead, we are patient and wait. When our group gets separated after entering a queue area (and it happens frequently similar to your HM example above or in any area where a room of people is let out at once such as TOT, TT, Dinosaur, etc.) those who end up ahead stand aside and let others get in FRONT of us because we don't mind waiting a bit longer. Sometimes when we do this, those who got between us seem to understand that we were accidently separated and are very courteous and allow those who fell behind to come forward. Part of that WDW "magic". A little bit of honey goes a long way IMO versus aggressive behavior of trying to get to your spot a little earlier.

I think it's ironic that you complain about others having to wait a minute or more, but yet you believe you're entitled to be ahead of everyone else so your family doesn't have to wait that few extra moments.



Also, does anyone else think it's amusing that there are some who judge others simply because they perceive they are judging others? Pot, meet kettle.