Is this line cutting?

[mefordis]

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You need to hang out by the bulk cherries and grapes. That's where I've seen the most egregious nibbling. People will try to justify it by saying "I wanted to know how sweet/sour they are..." but again, it's misappropriation -- they didn't pay for the fruit they ate. Shoplifting by gustation. Or one could call it "nibblifting."

You are a real people watcher, aren't you?

 

[castmember19]

Oh, and yes, I'm the guy you're cursing at who's driving the speed limit right in front of you. I will usually stay in the right lane, but I will use the left to pass even slower vehicles, and I don't usually speed up when I do it. So if that's you behind me blinking your lights, showing me your single-digit IQ, or riding my bumper hoping to intimidate me into speeding up, I recommend just backing off your speed a bit until I can safely pull over into the right lane.

It's entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but don't assume I'm a speeder either. I also am in the minority of drivers that follow the speed limit and let me tell you- the people behind me getting angry or driving right on my tail make me so nervous. I'm a young driver and I've been in too many accidents (with other drivers) to drive recklessly. I wish these people would imagine how they would feel if somebody was doing the same things to their own child.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Not likely. They were part of the well-mannered silent majority who usually don't say anything because they can't think of anything to say, and/or their self-esteem has been beaten out of them by the institutionalized babysitting we call an education system.

As for being obnoxious, the cutter is the one breaking societal norm -- being obnoxious -- not the person noting the aberrant behavior.

I agree. It seems like the rule breaker is the "good" person to many people on this thread and those who follow rules are the "bad" guys.

It's exactly the right analogy -- Disney's policy is that groups enter the lines together, and line jumping is not allowed. However, they choose not to enforce it strictly. The government's "policy" (in this case, a law) is that you are not to drive faster than X on the highway. The police, however, choose not to ticket you until you're caught driving X+10 (or whatever). That doesn't mean you're not speeding, it just means you didn't get a ticket.

Do I need to go thru the tax analogy in the same manner or can we call this point made?

Oh, and yes, I'm the guy you're cursing at who's driving the speed limit right in front of you. I will usually stay in the right lane, but I will use the left to pass even slower vehicles, and I don't usually speed up when I do it. So if that's you behind me blinking your lights, showing me your single-digit IQ, or riding my bumper hoping to intimidate me into speeding up, I recommend just backing off your speed a bit until I can safely pull over into the right lane.



You need to hang out by the bulk cherries and grapes. That's where I've seen the most egregious nibbling. People will try to justify it by saying "I wanted to know how sweet/sour they are..." but again, it's misappropriation -- they didn't pay for the fruit they ate. Shoplifting by gustation. Or one could call it "nibblifting."

I couldn't agree more! The only unfortunate thing is that your speeding analogy is too accurate. Why? So many people speed that it's become the norm. So many people cut in line that it's now acceptable. I also think the speeding example is accurate because when you're in your car, you're anonymous. People cut in front of others and have aggressive driving all the time as they don't know those around them. At WDW, it's okay to cut in front of strangers you'll never see again.

BTW I'll have to use that "nibblifting" phrase. I too have seen the fruit stealing.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

You are a real people watcher, aren't you?

And the point is? It's wrong for one to not be aware of their surroundings?

 

[castmember19]

You're correct. We wanted want others thinking anything of us. When we have toured WDW with extended family, we have experienced those in our group who are a bit slower than we are due to either age, health or just pure slowness. When we get separated, it would have been easy for us to enter the queue and have them catch-up at their own pace. Instead, we are patient and wait. When our group gets separated after entering a queue area (and it happens frequently similar to your HM example above or in any area where a room of people is let out at once such as TOT, TT, Dinosaur, etc.) those who end up ahead stand aside and let others get in FRONT of us because we don't mind waiting a bit longer. Sometimes when we do this, those who got between us seem to understand that we were accidently separated and are very courteous and allow those who fell behind to come forward. Part of that WDW "magic". A little bit of honey goes a long way IMO versus aggressive behavior of trying to get to your spot a little earlier.

I think it's ironic that you complain about others having to wait a minute or more, but yet you believe you're entitled to be ahead of everyone else so your family doesn't have to wait that few extra moments.

I'm not complaining and I personally don't mind waiting in line as long as I know I'm able to ride in the end, but in these situations somebody in our party didn't realize that somebody else was falling behind. I definitely wasn't thinking, "Forget everyone else, THEY CAN WAIT!" I just didn't think anything of it at the time. We definitely don't think we are more entitled than anybody else.

And you seem to assume that my family is the one rushing out of the rooms to beat everyone else. We like to wait and let others out first. Nobody is aggressive here.

 

[Tyme4wdw]

We don't know the situation. They could have been in line with the family members in the beginning and then had to run to the restroom, grab something for a child or to hand off an item to another family member not going on the ride. No, I don't feel it's cutting in line.

 

[JarrothsMom]

I think you're looking for an argument that's not there. The PP said they never said anything to the person cutting in line. They never said they made a comment loud enough for anyone else to hear. Like you, they probably discussed it quietly among themselves. They may even explain to them that some people have good excuses such as bathroom breaks for kids, illnesses that cannot be seen or perhaps some sort of 'emergency' that caused them to have to step out of line for a while. Please don't be so self-persecuting and assume that everyone who makes a comment to another family member about a line cutter is going to do it in a mean fashion.

Read further down...the post after mine someone said basicly the same thing.
I admited that I assumed that is what she meant. I think sometimes I just get hyper sensitive about this whole thing and bark with judgmental words and that is what I dislike the most
However I know you know what I am talking about...ppl like that!
I just took it out on her saying she said it to her family...I took it like the ppl that do it loud and obnoxiously...my bad

 

[JarrothsMom]

But can't you get a card that puts you in a different waiting area with your child who can't wait in line?

Thanks for wishing harm to my extended family. I appreciate that.

I NEVER would wish ANYTHING like that on my WORST enemy EVER!!!!! WHat I did say is one day it WILL affect your family..Its just more common than people think. I am VERY sorry you took it that way. I never intended it to come off that way

And well if my kid hurt your kids feelings because they want to know why people are jumping the line they are expected to wait in...... sorry. She's 5. She is learning about being fair and honest and waiting your turn. So she is perplexed and questions when others don't follow the guidelines she is learning in kindergarten.

Once again
I never said a child asking questions hurt his feeling..Kids are just kids he too is a kid...but a very smart and wise kid..and know kids will be kids..asking is how they learn...its the adults that "talk to the husbands and kids" about how those people are "cutting"

As I said before...I know you know the people I am talking about. I was being judgmental on what you said. I was having a bad day to be honest...and took my past ex. out on you for a big misunderstanding of what you said. I am VERY sorry.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I'm not complaining and I personally don't mind waiting in line as long as I know I'm able to ride in the end, but in these situations somebody in our party didn't realize that somebody else was falling behind. I definitely wasn't thinking, "Forget everyone else, THEY CAN WAIT!" I just didn't think anything of it at the time. We definitely don't think we are more entitled than anybody else.

And you seem to assume that my family is the one rushing out of the rooms to beat everyone else. We like to wait and let others out first. Nobody is aggressive here.

Sorry to assume. We too are those who wait behind for the mad rushers who seem to worry about beating everyone else to a spot to save a minute or two of waiting. You had asked what we would do in the same situation as your family and I wanted to explain that it happens a lot to others too. What we do is sit back and let others get in front of us. Many families push ahead and as you found out, that can illicit rude comments from other guests. Unfortunately not everyone is aware of their surroundings.

Read further down...the post after mine someone said basicly the same thing.
I admited that I assumed that is what she meant. I think sometimes I just get hyper sensitive about this whole thing and bark with judgmental words and that is what I dislike the most
However I know you know what I am talking about...ppl like that!
I just took it out on her saying she said it to her family...I took it like the ppl that do it loud and obnoxiously...my bad

Sorry, I typed out my response then got distracted and didn't get back to the computer to wrap up my response for about 45 minutes or so. Didn't mean to beat a dead horse.

 

[Wadecool]

Because in most cases the people asking to get by aren't being intentionally rude, and you'll end up looking like an *** for intentionally trying to keep them from rejoining their family. Sorry, but outside of a vocal slight majority on here, most people actually in the line don't usually care and in many cases would do the same thing, so you're the one that looks like a jerk. Didn't say it was right, just said it is.

And if it aggravates you enough to try physically blocking them, I rather doubt you're having as enjoyable a time as you would otherwise have been.

If someone is trying to cut in line for any other reason besides taking a small child to go potty, they are by definition being intentionally rude. Sorry, but only person I'd be likely to look like a "blank" to is the person who just got stopped in their tracks. It doesn't aggravate me to just stand there with my considerable girth and block the line cutter, I'd be just standing there anyway. I actually find it to be a little funny so blocking a line cutter will not raise my blood pressure one bit, I promise you. Since you don't personally know me, I'm sure you're happy to take my word for it, right? Believe it or not, most people don't like to see line cutting either. I'm sorry if you don't like that
reality, but it just is.

 

[Wadecool]

I think you are at least partly right on that one.

I it also makes me laugh a bit when people claim that it isn't a big deal if they cut by you, that it only makes your wait a smidge longer. If it isn't such a big deal to wait, then why not wait until you are all together to enter the line? Hmmm? Comes off sounding as if it someone else has to wait it isn't a big deal, but not you!

It's funny how that works, isn't it?

 

[mom of princessx2]

Is that like speeding isn't really speeding if you don't get a ticket?

Or cheating on your taxes isn't really cheating if you don't get audited?

Or nibbling on fruit in the grocery store isn't really stealing because people do it all the time, besides the store expects it and if they didn't like it, they'd put plastic wrap on everything...?

Is that what you mean?

That is your comparision to "My 2 year old has to go potty"??

Oh, and yes I will eat a grape or two before I buy. No one likes "sour grapes".

 

[bwilcox]

Do you consider a family member trying to catch up to the rest of his/her family ahead in line cutting?

Yes.
I'm not sure why this question comes up so often. Even my preschool class understands line etiquette.

 

[happyhobo]

Just before we were going to be put in the final Q, the group in front of us told the CM that some of their friends were further back in the line and they wanted to ride together. To my shock the CM said, "no problem, we'll just have them come down here and join you. She then proceeded to wave them down...they were about 50 feet back...and put them with the others. This meant that we were just bumped from the front row. I couldn't believe that this had just happened. An official Disney sanctioned line jump. For the first time ever I was angry. As we went down to the load area I found the next CM and told her what had happened and said that I really wanted the front row and I felt that I had just been "screwed" out of it.

She did put us in the next loading Q for the front row. Yes, I know it ended OK, but I felt guilty about raising a fuss about it. As I said, something I had never done before in all my years of going to WDW.

doesn't this then create a ripple effect that makes the people that just got bumped out of the front row by you feel like they just got screwed? this may be the cm's fault more than yours. just asking

 

[Bullseye]

The only possible exception is that an adult had to take a child out of the line to go to the toilet, making sure that those they pass know they will be back.

Adults needing to go to the toilet? Surely you knew before getting in line?

Yes! My thoughts exactly! Wait your turn like everyone else and then you can have a ride. It's just that simple!

 

[KSDisneyDad]

That is your comparision to "My 2 year old has to go potty"??

Where did a 2 year old having to go potty enter this conversation? The original question was is it okay for a family member to try to catch up with the rest of the family. I read that as "is it okay for some family members to enter the queue and then later have another family member who was busy doing something else cut in front of everyone to join his/her family?" It did NOT ask, is it okay to leave a line and then rejoin it.

What if that family member was getting fastpasses for everyone else, shopping, riding another attraction, grabbing a quick smoke or perhaps they don't want to wait in an outside queue and decide instead to stay somewhere air conditioned until the designated "waiting" family member(s) were closer to the front. Is it okay in these situations? If so, how many members? 1, 3, 5, 10, 20? Where do we arbitrarily draw the line that it's okay to cut sometimes and not at other times?

Also, now that I think about it, what does it really matter how those in line react to the person cutting in line? Most will let the person through, but does that really stop it from being line cutting? The question was about the line cutter and not those already in line. The original question was not - Do you let others through who want to catch up to their family? And is that really relevant to answering the question even if you're okay with the behavior?

And if your 2 year old has to go potty, ask the CM for a Fastpass if available or ask the CM to help you return to your spot if there are those in line that won't budge.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

doesn't this then create a ripple effect that makes the people that just got bumped out of the front row by you feel like they just got screwed? this may be the cm's fault more than yours. just asking

Actually no. Soarin' has lots of front row spots for those behind. And if someone really wants the front row, just ask. The CM's will give you one if it's available in that particular "flight" or you can wait for the next "flight". Not a big deal.

It's just like EE where there is a special waiting area for those who want the front row. Not everyone wants the front row, but if you do, you can choose to wait a bit longer for it. The same happens for Soarin'.

 

[Wadecool]

Nope. They wont go around me. Basic physics will tell you that two objects cannot occupy the same space. The majority of queues in WDW are single file. They cannot get past without me moving aside and I simply will not.

Yup it bothers me, but not enough to ruin my day. I'll go on chatting with my family, who entered the line all together.

Now there you go, tossing out irrefutable facts like basic physics. It is so "aggravating" when someone uses the laws of nature in a debate about line cutting.

 

[mchhp]

man, i need to stay off these threads. Im getting more nervous.

I never noticed things like this in my past many trips to disney. I remember people passing, but i also remember just thinking.. they needed to catch up to their party for whatever reason that wasn't my business. no big deal. we like to ride together and I assume they do to. Now, if they were just lying or just cutting, i never knew. I am also lucky to not to have ever had a bunch of people push by. maybe 1-3 tops.

This will be our first trip with a potty trained child. She is good about going when we ask her too, but she still gets too preoccupied with activities WAY more fun and then has to make a mad dash. I certainly plan on asking before we enter as an entire family (because we don't like to have to catch up. We don't like being the one asking everyone to let me by), but like many people say, things happen. And there are quite of few people who don't think that even leaving the line for a potty break is acceptable.


I am so not the one to cause a scene, but my husband, is another story. i don't want someone to say anything rude to use for what we are doing because its none of their business like what they are doing is none of mine.

Imagine being in a long line like peter pan that turns a lot.

So, my question is would it be more annoying if a potty emergency were to arrive and me and my child to leave the line and then rejoin (like i said, we like to ride together), or would it be more annoying for ALL 7 of my family members (5 adults, who are not small) and 2 children to push back out of the line so we "stay together"? we are talking deep in the line.


then adding to that, hypothetically, I am able to scoot under a rope to get out of the line (not having to push through a long line to get out), but when i return i try to catch back up with my family. a few families behind us are being the roadblocks not letting us by. They didn't see me leave because i had a prime opportunity to get out without causing the annoyance, but now they won't let me back through ( no longer in that good spot to jump right in). What do i do? say excuse me? explain my life story? im thinking it just shouldn't be this crazy to stay with your family.

now, for the most part, i agree with get in line together, try to stay together as best as you can. I do really. But, reading all these threads has a hundred scenerios going through my head and kind of worried im going to come across a big jerk and its going to really bother me, and if my hubby is around, I just don't know what will happen. He's the hot head and the protector. nobody can say anything rude to me or my babies. he is even fine with people meeting their family as long as its not over 1/2 the party. but how do we ever know? we don't? so most of the time we kindly let them pass.


OK, that was a lot, but it has been on my thoughts for awhile and I just want to get other angles of these rules, stated or not, enforced or not.

tia

 

[larryz]

That is your comparision to "My 2 year old has to go potty"??

Just as people will justifiably speed for legitimate reasons (like taking a seriously injured person to a hospital), there are (very few) legitimate reasons for leaving, then returning to a queue. Potty emergencies are nearly universally accepted (no pun intended) as one of those reasons.

But see the earlier comment about the OP's question...

Oh, and yes I will eat a grape or two before I buy. No one likes "sour grapes".

In the spirit of this thus far well-behaved discussion, I will NOT go there...