Is "Pro Choice" Actually "Pro Abortion?"

[gmboy95]

I am for the right of women to control their own bodies!!!

I would like both sides to come together to keep abortion safe and rare!

Anyone that thinks of this position as "baby-killing" has no ability to engage in this debate

 

[Master Mason]

I am for the right of women to control their own bodies!!!

I would like both sides to come together to keep abortion safe and rare!

Anyone that thinks of this position as "baby-killing" has no ability to engage in this debate

And why is that exactly? Do their opinions not matter? Can they not discuss the subject? Can I not believe that it is "baby-killing" and still believe it should remain legal?

As for coming together, you can't possibly come together, when there is no middle ground it is an all or nothing propossition.

 

[gaelic grace]

I am for the right of women to control their own bodies!!!

I would like both sides to come together to keep abortion safe and rare!

Anyone that thinks of this position as "baby-killing" has no ability to engage in this debate

But in some cases it is just that "baby killing". I am reluctantly pro-choice. I don't believe that legislation can change someone's heart. I will vote to protect woman's right to choose but I do think we have to get away from the extreme's. Almost all people believe that partial birth abortions should be banned and that babies born alive should be protected but a few extremely liberal congressman want to use it as a platform in defense of Roe v Wade instead of saying that that there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. I'm sorry late term abortions are "baby killing". As someone who had a premature baby you won't convince me otherwise. In the same way some very conservative congressman are against the health of the mother or rape clause. Neither of these extreme's represent what most American's feel. I don't understand why we can't have up or down "clean" votes on such issues without either side adding caveats to muddy things. Then lets really give women choice. Give them real options in bad situations. 1 in 3 women in this country have had an abortion. How many of them wish that they had made a different decision or would have if real non-political information was found at both crisis pregnancy centers and Planned Parenthood alike?

 

[kydisneyfans]

Pro-choice means it is OK to kill a baby. In all cases except rape, the woman has a choice about what to do with her body before accepting the consequences. If she doesn't want a baby, then keep the legs shut.

Pro-life means it is not OK to kill a baby..

I fall under pro-life.

 

[Master Mason]

Pro-choice means it is OK to kill a baby. In all cases except rape, the woman has a choice about what to do with her body before accepting the consequences. If she doesn't want a baby, then keep the legs shut.

Pro-life means it is not OK to kill a baby..

I fall under pro-life.

Are you for or against the death penalty?

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Yes, the opposite of anti abortion is pro abortion, however that has become sugar coated with the fraze pro choice.

See, that's the point. Pro-choice isn't the opposite of anti-abortion, that's why they chose to call it "pro-choice".

huh? OK, if you want to be inane about this than YES...if YOU want to pee on the Bible, I will defend your right to do so YES, Bible peeing should be a choice also WTH?

See? You still didn't define yourself as "pro-peeing on the Bible".

Maybe just semantics to some, but to me, there is a difference between wanting something to happen, and wanting it to remain legal. I don't think adultery should be illegal, but I'm certainly not "pro-adultery".

To me, anti-abortion means a person doesn't want abortions to happen, so pro-abortion would mean they do want them to happen, and under that definition, most pro-choicers I know are not pro-abortion. In fact, many of them are anti-abortion.

I don't want abortions to happen. I want every woman to have knowledge of and access to failure-proof birth control. I want every sexual act to be 100% voluntary and the ramifications understood by both parties. I want every embryo or fetus, and every expectant mother, to be healthy. I think the government should stay out of the abortion decision, so I am pro-choice. This is the term chosen and used by most people who want the government to stay out of the decision. Some may think it's a "sugar-coated, PC" way to say it, but so is "pro-life". So what? I don't care what Webster's says, I know how I feel about the subject in my heart, and "pro-abortion" doesn't describe it at all.

It might make more sense if people used the term "abortion rights". I am 100% pro-abortion-rights, even though I'm not pro-abortion.

What are people called who want to keep it safe and legal? I always called those "prochoice" but a few of you suggested it's not the right term. What is?

Pro-choice is correct.

 

[Master Mason]

To me, anti-abortion means a person doesn't want abortions to happen, so pro-abortion would mean they do want them to happen, and under that definition, most pro-choicers I know are not pro-abortion. In fact, many of them are anti-abortion.

The problem is that the defintion of the words don't agree with you. Inorder to be prochoice, one must also by defintion be proabortion.

 

[Stacerita]

Its called pro choice.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Choice is choice. Can't make it any plainer.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

The problem is that the defintion of the words don't agree with you. Inorder to be prochoice, one must also by defintion be proabortion.

Like I said, I don't care what the dictionary says. After all, dictionaries only reflect common usage, and so what if they haven't yet removed an old term? They still define "gay" primarily as "happy, merry, bright, lively, excited" before "homosexual", even though no one ever uses it that way anymore.

As I said, I know know myself better than Webster's, or you or anyone else does, and I'm not pro-abortion. Pro-choice is the term used by most people who want to keep abortion legal. I don't know of any people who seek to keep abortion numbers up, but pro-abortion sounds more fitting for that type of a stance.

 

[ShuisFan584]

Pro-choice and pro-abortion are most definitely the same thing. If someone is pro-choice, they have no problem that anyone would want to kill an innocent baby, which is obviously pro-abortion!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Yes, the opposite of anti abortion is pro abortion, however that has become sugar coated with the fraze pro choice.

Master Mason...that is phrase, not fraze. Sorry but if you wish to make an intellegent argument..

I'm a self admited terrible speller, could you understand what I was trying to say? My guess is yes, since you understood it well enough to correct my spelling.

ETA: Also if you wish to be the spelling police perhaps you should use proper grammer and punctuation when doing so as well.

ETA: Further, when being the spelling police it might be best if you spelled correctly yourself. It is spelled intelligent with an "i"

Actually, as I skimmed your post, I wondered what the French phrase "frah-zhe pro choice" meant.

 

[ChrisFL]

Pro-choice and pro-abortion are most definitely the same thing. If someone is pro-choice, they have no problem that anyone would want to kill an innocent baby, which is obviously pro-abortion!

If thats the case, then it's like if you're pro gun rights, you're automatically pro shooting people.

 

[yeartolate]

I think it is tragic that so many abortions could be prevented through education and access to reliable birth control.

By listening to the nasty rhetoric on these boards, you would think Planned Parenthood as no more than an abortion factory. In fact they prevent way way way more pregnancies through education and access to birth control than they ever could terminate. They even have adopton referals and do abstinence education. They strive to prevent unwanted pregnancy which will mean (gulp) less abortion.

So split hairs, call prochoice people "proabortion" - whatever. How does that reduce unwanted pregnancy and abortion?

I am prochoice - proabortion if you wish....and I actually want abortion rates to decrease, so instead of spewing nasty rhetoric, I actually support places that every day will decrease abortion rates, not just in election years.

 

[jimmiej]

Anyone that thinks of this position as "baby-killing" has no ability to engage in this debate

So anyone who believes life starts at conception "has no ability to engage in this debate"?

I look at it this way. Because I believe life begins at conception, I believe pro-choice means, I may not choose to stop a life, but I believe you should have the right to.

 

[jimmiej]

If thats the case, then it's like if you're pro gun rights, you're automatically pro shooting people.

To protect me & mine, you're darned right!

 

[gaelic grace]

I think it is tragic that so many abortions could be prevented through education and access to reliable birth control.

By listening to the nasty rhetoric on these boards, you would think Planned Parenthood as no more than an abortion factory. In fact they prevent way way way more pregnancies through education and access to birth control than they ever could terminate. They even have adopton referals and do abstinence education. They strive to prevent unwanted pregnancy which will mean (gulp) less abortion.

So split hairs, call prochoice people "proabortion" - whatever. How does that reduce unwanted pregnancy and abortion?

I am prochoice - proabortion if you wish....and I actually want abortion rates to decrease, so instead of spewing nasty rhetoric, I actually support places that every day will decrease abortion rates, not just in election years.

I agree with you that Planned Parenthood does alot of education and I'm all for that but they also refer to abortion as a procedure and minimize the emotional effects this "procedure" has on women. Everyone wants to talk about the baby which I think in some instances is valid but noone wants to talk about the emotional effects on some of the women who have them. We talk about abortion as a women's health issue which it is both before and after having an abortion.

 

[ChrisFL]

To protect me & mine, you're darned right!

But wouldn't that be considered a dire and extreme situation?

 

[jimmiej]

But wouldn't that be considered a dire and extreme situation?

If the anti-gun nuts had their way, I wouldn't (legally) have a gun to protect me & mine.

 

[ChrisFL]

If the anti-gun nuts had their way, I wouldn't (legally) have a gun to protect me & mine.

so you think it's better to have the personal choice then, even though you know that you would never use your gun unless it's an extreme circumstance then right?

What makes that different than having some choice in abortion, for the most dire circumstances?