Is "Pro Choice" Actually "Pro Abortion?"

[Master Mason]

Favoring the legalization of abortion and favoring abortion are two completely different things. You are making NO sense, with or without dictionary help.

I don't know how exactly I can make it clearer. Anti means being against, meaning it should be illegal. Pro means being for, meaing it should be legal. Those are the two opposite sides of the spectrum.

 

[Angelhalo]

I don't know how exactly I can make it clearer. Anti means being against, meaning it should be illegal. Pro means being for, meaing it should be legal.

You are talking about two different things. Being Pro-Choice doesn't mean that you are Pro-abortion, it means you are pro choice. I am pro choice and I hate the idea of abortion. It goes against my religious beliefs and the fiber of my being. But, I also believe in a woman's right to choose and not having the government decide for her. I highly doubt there are many people in the US who are "Pro-Abortion".

I am PRO-Choice, not PRO-Abortion. They are two different things.

I don't how I can make THAT any clearer.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

no, not at all.

 

[Cantw8]

I am pro choice, I do not think that I could ever have an abortion. Fortunately, I have never been in the situation where I needed to make the choice and I feel for those that have, I have known plenty that have had to make the choice. I'm sitting here thinking about this and as much as I hate the term "pro abortion" when you really stop and think about it, isn't it really the same thing as pro choice

 

[MAKmom]

No. Pro-Choice is (IMO) protecting a woman's right to choose and does not force her to have an abortion as some anti-choice groups would have people believe.

On the other hand, Anti-choice (or pro-life) would force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term with no regard for the woman doing the carryin'.

Only one of these two options FORCES a woman to do something, the other gives her an OPTION.

Well said!

 

[Angelhalo]

I am pro choice, I do not think that I could ever have an abortion. Fortunately, I have never been in the situation where I needed to make the choice and I feel for those that have, I have known plenty that have had to make the choice. I'm sitting here thinking about this and as much as I hate the term "pro abortion" when you really stop and think about it, isn't it really the same thing as pro choice

To me, pro-abortion insinuates that I think its great, that I think its the best option, and that I am cheering for it in some way. I think the problem that the OP is getting at is that so many people who don't agree with pro-choice seem to label pro-choicers as pro-abortion, and many many of us don't see ourselves that way at all. I would never in a million years consider myself to be pro-abortion. But, I am pro-choice, because while I personally don't think I could ever do it, I don't think the government should be able to tell me that I can't.

 

[freckles and boo]

I don't know how exactly I can make it clearer. Anti means being against, meaning it should be illegal. Pro means being for, meaing it should be legal. Those are the two opposite sides of the spectrum.

I guess by that narrow definition I am pro-abortion. But I reject that definition. I am for keeping abortion safe and legal. I am also for minimizing the need for abortion by encouraging the use of birth control, increasing law enforcement and support for victims of domestic violence, making childcare affordable and reliable, and helping pregnant women who are homeless, or impoverished or mentally ill or are otherwise compromised find stable ground. I hate the idea of abortion, but I also despise the idea of making a woman carry a pregnancy to term against her will.

 

[Master Mason]

You are talking about two different things. Being Pro-Choice doesn't mean that you are Pro-abortion, it means you are pro choice. I am pro choice and I hate the idea of abortion. It goes against my religious beliefs and the fiber of my being. But, I also believe in a woman's right to choose and not having the government decide for her. I highly doubt there are many people in the US who are "Pro-Abortion".

I am PRO-Choice, not PRO-Abortion. They are two different things.

I don't how I can make THAT any clearer.

Well, since you believe that abortion should be legal, you are by defintion pro abortion. Pro does not mean your out there encouraging folks to get one, it simply means your infavor of it being legal.

 

[smartestnumber5]

I don't know how exactly I can make it clearer. Anti means being against, meaning it should be illegal. Pro means being for, meaing it should be legal. Those are the two opposite sides of the spectrum.

But this is not how we usually use the terms in any other every day context.

I assume everyone here thinks it should be legal to:

-- poop on your couch and then feed it to the cat
-- pee on your personal copy of the Bible
-- puke and then eat it
-- cheat on your girlfriend with her brother in her own bed while she is in the hospital recovering from a double mastectomy

Nobody ever says that they are "pro" any of these things because saying that would indicate that they like those things or they think that they are good things or that they wish they happened more or that they approve of them.

Rather, people who were asked about these things would probably be very careful to say, "Well that is disgusting/horrendous, but I don't think there should be a law because the its none of the govt's business."

 

[Master Mason]

I guess by that narrow definition I am pro-abortion. But I reject that definition. I am for keeping abortion safe and legal. I am also for minimizing the need for abortion by encouraging the use of birth control, increasing law enforcement and support for victims of domestic violence, making childcare affordable and reliable, and helping pregnant women who are homeless, or impoverished or mentally ill or are otherwise compromised find stable ground. I hate the idea of abortion, but I also despise the idea of making a woman carry a pregnancy to term against her will.

I didn't make up the definition of the words. If you want to reject the definition, then I would propose you talk to the folks at Marian Websters.

I feel exactly the same way you do, almost word for word. But I still didn't make up the defintion.

 

[rparmfamily]

What are the people who want abortion to be illegal called? Since it eems many pro-lifers and pro-choicers both want abortion to remain legal?


When I was a senior in HS, my psych teacher (yes, I took psych in HS) had all these pro-life images on her cart, everyone knew she was a very vocal pro-lifer. She had pictures of her at rallies on her cart. (she was a mobile teacher who went from class to class) One of the classes was about abortion and on a paper I said I was pro-life but wanted it to stay safe and legal. She marked (in red pen of course!) that I was NOT pro-life then, since I wanted it legal. That confused me but it's stuck since then.

I consider myself pro-choice.

 

[Master Mason]

But this is not how we usually use the terms in any other every day context.

I assume everyone here thinks it should be legal to:

-- poop on your couch and then feed it to the cat
-- pee on your personal copy of the Bible
-- puke and then eat it
-- cheat on your girlfriend with her brother in her own bed while she is in the hospital recovering from a double mastectomy

Nobody ever says that they are "pro" any of these things because saying that would indicate that they like those things or they think that they are good things or that they wish they happened more or that they approve of them.

Rather, people who were asked about these things would probably be very careful to say, "Well that is disgusting/horrendous, but I don't think there should be a law because the its none of the govt's business."

And again, I didn't make up the definition. Websters updates their dictionaries based on common usage ever year, and yet, it's still the definition listed isn't it.

As I said in my first post, it has been sugar coated down to pro choice, because people don't want to be viewed as being infavor of it happening, but if you want it to be legal, then you are infact in favor of it happening, it might not be your choice, you might not do it, or like that others are doing it, but your are still in favor of it happening when someone else choses to do so.

 

[mamacatnv]

Choice is the operative word here not the use of Pro or Anti.

 

[Cantw8]

To me, pro-abortion insinuates that I think its great, that I think its the best option, and that I am cheering for it in some way. I think the problem that the OP is getting at is that so many people who don't agree with pro-choice seem to label pro-choicers as pro-abortion, and many many of us don't see ourselves that way at all. I would never in a million years consider myself to be pro-abortion. But, I am pro-choice, because while I personally don't think I could ever do it, I don't think the government should be able to tell me that I can't.

I understand what you are saying and I agree but by being "pro choice" that does mean you/I/we are "pro abortion" meaning that YES, it is one of the options that you/I/we approve of. Just because it's not a term that we are comfortable with doesn't mean it's not the case, yes? Yes, I think it is a harsh term and I don't like the way it sounds...I would certainly never hold a rally and picket an OBGYN office holding up signs saying "You should have an abortion" but by supporting their (our) right to have the choice, I am saying that I am "pro" (meaning for) abortion

 

[diznygirl]

But this is not how we usually use the terms in any other every day context.

I assume everyone here thinks it should be legal to:

-- poop on your couch and then feed it to the cat
-- pee on your personal copy of the Bible
-- puke and then eat it
-- cheat on your girlfriend with her brother in her own bed while she is in the hospital recovering from a double mastectomy

Nobody ever says that they are "pro" any of these things because saying that would indicate that they like those things or they think that they are good things or that they wish they happened more or that they approve of them.

Rather, people who were asked about these things would probably be very careful to say, "Well that is disgusting/horrendous, but I don't think there should be a law because the its none of the govt's business."

You get points for creativity.


But I am seriously worried about the way you think.

 

[robinb]

I voted "no". Pro-choice means that women have a choice in what happens to their bodies. They are neither forced to have an abortion nor to carry a pregnancy to term.

I chose to take both of my pregnancies to term. Unfortunately, my first one ended in a miscarriage .

 

[smartestnumber5]

And again, I didn't make up the definition. Websters updates their dictionaries based on common usage ever year, and yet, it's still the definition listed isn't it.

As I said in my first post, it has been sugar coated down to pro choice, because people don't want to be viewed as being infavor of it happening, but if you want it to be legal, then you are infact in favor of it happening, it might not be your choice, you might not do it, or like that others are doing it, but your are still in favor of it happening when someone else choses to do so.

So you are saying that you are "in favor" of people puking and eating it and feeding poop to their cats? Seriously--you go around saying things like that?

I just don't think that is how we actually use the words in everyday life. If it were, then you wouldn't have a problem going around telling people (say your boss, coworkers, clients, customers, etc) "I am pro people puking and eating it" or "I am in favor of people cheating on their girlfriends with their brothers in the girlfriend's bed while she is in the hospital having a double mastectomy."

Do you honestly think if you said that, then people would take you to mean "I think these actions are bad and I wish they never occurred. But I simply think that the govt has no right to make a law banning them." Or do you think those people would just say, "What a sick **** that guy is. How can you think it's a good think to cheat on your girlfriend like that!?"

 

[chisnpeke]

What are the people who want abortion to be illegal called? Since it eems many pro-lifers and pro-choicers both want abortion to remain legal?


When I was a senior in HS, my psych teacher (yes, I took psych in HS) had all these pro-life images on her cart, everyone knew she was a very vocal pro-lifer. She had pictures of her at rallies on her cart. (she was a mobile teacher who went from class to class) One of the classes was about abortion and on a paper I said I was pro-life but wanted it to stay safe and legal. She marked (in red pen of course!) that I was NOT pro-life then, since I wanted it legal. That confused me but it's stuck since then.

I consider myself pro-choice.

This is how I feel. I am pro choice, I believe it should remain legal so that women who have it done can have it done SAFELY. However, I am morally opposed to it and I do think it is a horrible thing. But it's not my body and I shouldn't get to choose what people get to do. I get people tell me that I am contradicting myself and that I can't have it both ways, but I can.

If Roe V. Wade is overturned, there will be women in back alleys aborting with a hanger. I don't think we can have that happening in this country.

 

[smartestnumber5]

I understand what you are saying and I agree but by being "pro choice" that does mean you/I/we are "pro abortion" meaning that YES, it is one of the options that you/I/we approve of. Just because it's not a term that we are comfortable with doesn't mean it's not the case, yes? Yes, I think it is a harsh term and I don't like the way it sounds...I would certainly never hold a rally and picket an OBGYN office holding up signs saying "You should have an abortion" but by supporting their (our) right to have the choice, I am saying that I am "pro" (meaning for) abortion

So are you are pro-peeing on the bible, then?

 

[freckles and boo]

And again, I didn't make up the definition. Websters updates their dictionaries based on common usage ever year, and yet, it's still the definition listed isn't it.

As I said in my first post, it has been sugar coated down to pro choice, because people don't want to be viewed as being infavor of it happening, but if you want it to be legal, then you are infact in favor of it happening, it might not be your choice, you might not do it, or like that others are doing it, but your are still in favor of it happening when someone else choses to do so.

Then "pro-life" is equally inaccurate in many cases. I know plenty of people who use that term to define themselves but they are more than happy to allow the state to execute prisoners or who support the war knowing it means that people will kill and be killed.