Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[KristiMc]

I personally don’t think the split stems from a rift between H&M and any member of the family. I think it has to do with them not wanting to be in the spotlight and wanting to raise their son away from the cameras.

 

[mom2rtk]

I think it has to do with them not wanting to be in the spotlight and wanting to raise their son away from the cameras.

I guess time will tell.

 

[Mainsail Minnie]

I have no idea what the underlying reason for this split really is, and I have found that no matter how close folks think they are to a family, they do not know all of the internal dynamics. What I do know is that it takes two to make a division occur. I know that in my own family my husband's family think they know all there is to know about us because at one time, many years ago, they were raised under the same roof as my husband. They also tend to blame me if he chooses to ignore phone calls or refuses to visit, etc. What they do not want to accept is that I could not move my husband to ignore his family etc even if I chose to do so. I find it sad that people want to press blame on the "outsider" rather than look to see if there may be more going on. In the case of H&M, who knows what the real problem between Harry and the rest of the family is? I sure don't and I bet no one outside of the family really does either, but I bet you a buck that if Harry was not in agreement with his wife, he would not be supporting this as publicly as he is. She is an easy target IMO, just like blaming a 2nd wife if Dad is a jerk. Its a Dad issue, and all that goes with it is a choice.

Now in terms of finding a partner who would fit in with the Royal traditions? Yes that woudl have been the smart thing to do, but that path may not really have been what Harry wanted to follow.

His behavior (distancing himself from family, disrespecting the queen, extravagant lifestyle, looking glum regularly & whining to the press- he used to be so cheerful) changed radically after he married her, so her presence is the common denominator in what's different. She's on record as having led to the resignation of several palace aides, because she's so difficult to deal with. She has a terrible history of maintaining close relationships of her own, which is part of the pattern. He certainly is to blame for enabling her ("What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!"), but all indications point to him being the follower in this relationship, which is why she is the disaster. If he'd married someone else, this wouldn't have happened. He's a grown man well into his 30's. If he had really wanted to leave the royal family, he would have done so by now. He had a lifelong close relationship with his brother, which has been destroyed as a result of this marriage. No apologies here for saying it like it is.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

Well, with the latest "news" about the Sussex Royal Snowflakes, I have an even lower opinion of them than I did before.

Totally disrespectful to the crown in my opinion.

It’s 2020. We all should be disrespecting of the crown unless you long for the days of aristocracy and peasantry. Do you?

Absolutely agree with the bold. He's also notably gone on record countless times about how much he loves and respects his grandmother -- and all of the things she has done for him over the years. His recent words and actions show how he returns the favor. No matter what goes on in regard to the royal family or his future path in that regard, his own choices and behaviors are going to be his undoing.

I adored my grandmother too but didn't live the way she saw fit. I didn’t marry super young and stay in the house for the rest of my life. Hasn’t been my undoing yet either.

Almost sounds like you two are rooting for them to become as dysfunctional as most of the royal family. Why would you want that?

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

His behavior (distancing himself from family, disrespecting the queen, extravagant lifestyle, looking glum regularly & whining to the press- he used to be so cheerful) changed radically after he married her, so her presence is the common denominator in what's different. She's on record as having led to the resignation of several palace aides, because she's so difficult to deal with. She has a terrible history of maintaining close relationships of her own, which is part of the pattern. He certainly is to blame for enabling her ("What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!"), but all indications point to him being the follower in this relationship, which is why she is the disaster. If he'd married someone else, this wouldn't have happened. He's a grown man well into his 30's. If he had really wanted to leave the royal family, he would have done so by now. He had a lifelong close relationship with his brother, which has been destroyed as a result of this marriage. No apologies here for saying it like it is.

Easy there girl. You’re being jealous and judgy.

 

[Turn the Page]

I personally don’t think the split stems from a rift between H&M and any member of the family. I think it has to do with them not wanting to be in the spotlight and wanting to raise their son away from the cameras.

Eh, I don't know that I agree. They will likely never be out of the spotlight and it doesn't really seem like they are seeking the quiet life. If they were they would hunker down at Frogmore and reduce their jetsetting and such. They aren't doing that.

 

[cabanafrau]

It’s 2020. We all should be disrespecting of the crown unless you long for the days of aristocracy and peasantry. Do you?



I adored my grandmother too but didn't live the way she saw fit. I didn’t marry super young and stay in the house for the rest of my life. Hasn’t been my undoing yet either.

Almost sounds like you two are rooting for them to become as dysfunctional as most of the royal family. Why would you want that?

Harry says he respects the crown and his grandmother. His words and actions belie that. Completely different concept from what I as an American/non British or Commonwealth citizen who has no familial ties to her and has certainly never claimed she's my beloved grandmother should speak of or feel about the crown or anyone entitled to wear it under that system.

"Almost sounds like" sounds like your opinion to me. I actually think it's sad on a human level for a variety of reasons. I also think it's far more Harry driven than is quite often assumed. I don't think Meghan had enough insight into Harry himself or enough experience of the whole system and environment to even begin to understand the situation she ended up in. She may be a nice person, she may be a horror show, she may (likely) be somewhere in the middle. I don't think she's driving this bus.

 

[Searc]

Eh, I don't know that I agree. They will likely never be out of the spotlight and it doesn't really seem like they are seeking the quiet life. If they were they would hunker down at Frogmore and reduce their jetsetting and such. They aren't doing that.

Because they are required to fulfill Royal Duties until the end of March.

 

[Turn the Page]

Because they are required to fulfill Royal Duties until the end of March.

I meant the life they are setting up for themselves in Canada. They are setting up foundations and developing a brand, the Duchess doing voiceover work for Disney, etc., etc. That doesn't scream "getting out of the spotlight" to me.

 

[Boardwalk Jedi]

I meant the life they are setting up for themselves in Canada. They are setting up foundations and developing a brand, the Duchess doing voiceover work for Disney, etc., etc. That doesn't scream "getting out of the spotlight" to me.

Voice over work is within the confines of her profession....and many actors have avoided the spotlight doing that. Foundations? Well, that is Harry’s life. A lot of people seem to think them stepping away from the royal spotlight should be on par with exile.

 

[Allison]

If he'd married someone else, this wouldn't have happened.

What crystal ball do you have to know that?

 

[Searc]

I meant the life they are setting up for themselves in Canada. They are setting up foundations and developing a brand, the Duchess doing voiceover work for Disney, etc., etc. That doesn't scream "getting out of the spotlight" to me.

So they're trying to make money for themselves and that is somehow now a problem? People can't have it both ways. They either live a quiet life and are destitute or they get out there and make money for their family.

Luckily, they don't need to justify or explain any of their actions to us.

 

[ronandannette]

So they're trying to make money for themselves and that is somehow now a problem? People can't have it both ways. They either live a quiet life and are destitute or they get out there and make money for their family.

Luckily, they don't need to justify or explain any of their actions to us.

Destitute?!? This thread is long and I've missed several pages but I think somebody up-thread mentioned Harry's net worth is 40 million. One would think they could possibly find a way to subsist on that. Especially in Canada - the Pound Sterling crushes CAD on exchange.

 

[NotUrsula]

Destitute?!? This thread is long and I've missed several pages but I think somebody up-thread mentioned Harry's net worth is 40 million. One would think they could possibly find a way to subsist on that. Especially in Canada - the Pound Sterling crushes CAD on exchange.

And THAT is the salient point. that is causing all the accusations of hypocrisy. With that kind of money in the bank earning plenty of interest, they are perfectly placed to live "a quiet life" without ever again making a public appearance of any kind. Either they want a quiet life or they want the limelight for charity; they cannot have it both ways simultaneously. Philanthropists who really live quiet lives give their OWN money, not other people's money.

 

[PaulaSB12]

I seem to recall the scuttlebutt when William was young, like early teens, that he did not want to be king and saw stories quoting Charles as saying he thought he would be the last king because William would abdicate if not abolish the monarchy entirely.....which I imagine isn't something he could do anyway but still. It does seem that William has come around to the idea though.

Prince William can abdicate for himself but that would just mean Prince George would become King instead as he can not abdicate for his children. Duke of Windsor could because he had not got any children and I believe there was some knowledge that he might not be able to have children before he married. If it is true that Harry rejected the offer of no royal life it shows how much of a hypocrite he is, he wants to keep the hrh though not use it (I think that is his way back) I think the royal family is hoping after a year he will want to return to the fold. After all how long will interest in an ex royal last?

 

[ronandannette]

And THAT is the salient point. that is causing all the accusations of hypocrisy. With that kind of money in the bank earning plenty of interest, they are perfectly placed to live "a quiet life" without ever again making a public appearance of any kind. Either they want a quiet life or they want the limelight for charity; they cannot have it both ways simultaneously. Philanthropists who really live quiet lives give their OWN money, not other people's money.

The bolded is masterfully put.

Prince William can abdicate for himself but that would just mean Prince George would become King instead as he can not abdicate for his children. Duke of Windsor could because he had not got any children and I believe there was some knowledge that he might not be able to have children before he married. If it is true that Harry rejected the offer of no royal life it shows how much of a hypocrite he is, he wants to keep the hrh though not use it (I think that is his way back) I think the royal family is hoping after a year he will want to return to the fold. After all how long will interest in an ex royal last?

I thought the exact same thing, although it doesn’t appear William reviles either his present or future place in The Firm. I’m not a committed royal watcher but from a slightly indifferent distance, he seems to deport himself with purpose and dignity.

 

[Turn the Page]

Prince William can abdicate for himself but that would just mean Prince George would become King instead as he can not abdicate for his children. Duke of Windsor could because he had not got any children and I believe there was some knowledge that he might not be able to have children before he married. If it is true that Harry rejected the offer of no royal life it shows how much of a hypocrite he is, he wants to keep the hrh though not use it (I think that is his way back) I think the royal family is hoping after a year he will want to return to the fold. After all how long will interest in an ex royal last?

Yes, I realize that. My point was it was always William who was said to want out, not Harry.

 

[gwynne]

Yes, I realize that. My point was it was always William who was said to want out, not Harry.

How long ago was this? Lots of us grow and change over the years.

 

[Searc]

Destitute?!? This thread is long and I've missed several pages but I think somebody up-thread mentioned Harry's net worth is 40 million. One would think they could possibly find a way to subsist on that. Especially in Canada - the Pound Sterling crushes CAD on exchange.

I thought my sarcasm was obvious.

 

[ronandannette]

OK, so we've finally got this settled and I feel better about it. I don't care who does fund their security, as long as my tax dollars do not.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harry-meghan-security-costs-rcmp-canada-1.5478022