Is it ok for spouse to go to lunch with co-worker of opposite sex?(Inspired by RIDISN

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Ah, but here's the thing - I never once said I thought it was inappropriate, or made any comment whatsoever about whether or not anyone else should do it, or assigned any nefarious motives to anybody that does it. What I said - very specifically and clearly - was that my husband and I don't do it. We don't want to do it, we aren't interested in doing it, we don't do it. :scratchin And what exactly, kind of reaction would you like to the comment about your husband? I hope they have a successful trip and travel safely. :wave2:

Fair enough, and thank you! :hippie:
 
You have no idea. It was bad. :sad2:



I respect the fact that you & your fiance have no problem with who the other spends time with. I'm definitely not trying to suggest you should feel differently. That's the way your relationship works, which is great. Even you admit it's not unusual for people to cheat. I think that's what most people are saying.



There's nothing standby about my response. That's ridiculous. As I was reading through this thread, it really jumped out at me that those who disagreed with their spouses spending a lot of time with a single individual were being ridiculed for saying so. Some posters were worse than others. That's not the least bit open-minded. An open-minded person would accept that not everyone agreed with them & respect that. You can feel anyway you want, but you can't be open-minded & question someone's trust in their spouse or devotion to their marriage, because they don't agree with the way you choose to live your life.

I'm very aware people cheat as I grew up in a househokd with a father who had many children outside his marriage. His MO was knock someone up and move on to somethin fresh. I see a lot of people in my work place cheat. Some openly and some just get caught when their guard is down. With that said I also know settig limits won't stop it. If a cheater is unfortunately who you married then they are going to cheat no matter what understanding you have unless you are with them 24/7. Glad the rule works for your marriage but unfortunately there is no way to guarentee temptation and flirtation won't happen and lead to cheating. I mean I've seen business guys have affairs with their baristas and I'm sure their wives had no clue.
 
Oh, please. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing I need to do with or for my male staff members that can't be done in the office or at the job-site; we don't need to go to lunch together. I happen to work in an industry that is extremely male-dominant. Yet, here I am - I'm their boss. All my coaching, evaluating, correcting, supporting and strategizing takes place in a professional setting. It's the same between me and my male superiors - we deal with work at work; not socializing with them privately certainly hasn't held me back.
It seems that your career has been held back, as has your husband's, since you won't go to the bar and throw back a few with your male boss. Maybe you should make sure to invite your male boss out for dinner, next time you see him.

Okay, does everyone see how ridiculous that sounds??

I don't understand why people are so interested in other people's business. Or rather why so many people want to change the behavior of others. Because that is what it seems to be.
 
It seems that your career has been held back, as has your husband's, since you won't go to the bar and throw back a few with your male boss. Maybe you should make sure to invite your male boss out for dinner, next time you see him.

Okay, does everyone see how ridiculous that sounds??

I don't understand why people are so interested in other people's business. Or rather why so many people want to change the behavior of others. Because that is what it seems to be.
Yeah, you're probably right. My husband for sure anyway - I've got a far higher position and make about twice as much money as he does. ;) Maybe people will assume I'm using my economic dominance to keep him from going on those co-ed lunches...:rotfl:
 

Not everyone who finds this practice odd has said that it means a weak marriage.

And again, those who look to limit others' freedoms only use the open minded comment to try to give their position some credibility. Sorry, but no. Nobody needs to accept viewpoints that seek to degrade others in order to be considered open minded. (This comment really doesn't pertain to this thread, so apologies for going off-topic.)



Please see the above, and please re-read my comment. And again, I believe others have a right to do what they want as far as not eating with the opposite gender, even if I don't agree with the practice.
I read your post, but dismissing my response as standby, even though this topic doesn't meet your qualifiers, is nothing but an attempt to marginalize my opinion. It was nothing but a "polite" insult. Your reply was an attempt at a neutral way to say you're right, even though you're open-minded. If you actually knew me & knew my views, you'd know how ridiculous your response to me is. I actually believe it's perfectly fine for people to totally trust their spouses & have no expectations on things like this & for others to have stipulations that they've agreed upon as a couple. It's their life. I hope it works out for them either way. My view may be biased based on past experience, but I wouldn't attempt to tell anyone how they should think.
 
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All "open-minded" means is being willing to reevaluate your position, if given a good enough reason to do so.

It doesn't mean you have to accept everything everyone else says. It doesn't mean you can't have strong opinions on a topic. It doesn't mean you can't think the other person is wrong. Heck, you can be very open minded and still ridicule your opponant, though obviously it's better to try to be respectful of others when engaging them in debate. At least, if your goal is to get them to think about their position, then be respectful. If your goal is just scoring points off them, then ridicule away.
By that definition, everyone is open minded. Anyone can say I thought about it for a second & I'm still right. :rolleyes: Considering another's opinion for a brief second, then ignoring it isn't being open minded. I think everyone had an opinion, whether it be for being okay with their spouse spending private time with the same person on a continual basis, thinking that's not okay, or thinking everyone should do what works for them, before they posted the first time & have stuck with that. No one appears to have considered anything & changed their mind. I haven't seen any actual discussion to delve into why someone feels that way & actually having a discussion on those feelings, unless I missed it. That would actually be considering the other side & being willing to reevaluate your position. That's pretty much true of life in general. Either people are truly open minded or they're not.
 
I went to lunch with a male co-worker recently. It didn't phase me a bit. And it didn't phase DH. He has gone to lunch with female co-workers on occasion as well.

I wouldn't look at it the same way if it weren't work related or if it were a regular thing, but it is neither.

We trust each other.
 
I'm very aware people cheat as I grew up in a househokd with a father who had many children outside his marriage. His MO was knock someone up and move on to somethin fresh. I see a lot of people in my work place cheat. Some openly and some just get caught when their guard is down. With that said I also know settig limits won't stop it. If a cheater is unfortunately who you married then they are going to cheat no matter what understanding you have unless you are with them 24/7. Glad the rule works for your marriage but unfortunately there is no way to guarentee temptation and flirtation won't happen and lead to cheating. I mean I've seen business guys have affairs with their baristas and I'm sure their wives had no clue.
Maybe that's one of the confusions in this thread. Some may be running a bunch of posts together & confusing what people are saying. My DH & I don't have a rule. I never said we did. We own our own business & literally spend maybe 3 hours a week apart, when he's running errands while I clean house. Some weeks we run errands together, since we're already out. He spends about a half hour a week on the internet, if he has something he really needs to purchase. Many times he doesn't open a computer. Good luck to him finding a woman in that time. :rotfl: I was just really surprised by the number of people who didn't appear to realize that cheating in a business environment is so common. One poster even questioned another for only citing one situation like that made it an anomaly. It's definitely not, as you agreed. I'm not posting from my current personal perspective, but was just pointing out that it's not uncommon.
 
I'm not posting from my current personal perspective, but was just pointing out that it's not uncommon.

FWIW, I travel for work - like every darn week, on a plane, about to go back to it in a couple of months, and while I've seen some stuff I wouldn't do between single colleagues, the kind of workplace romance is outside of what I've witnessed. I've lived effectively at hotels and the bars about 6, are crawling with all people from the firm I'm with, shady stuff could and might have been happening, but I never knew for sure, and wasn't about to ask. I CAN be oblivious though, and know that. Especially when I'm "in the zone" like working. I know it happens, but given what I do, the huge opportunities that would be available and the lack of personal evidence, I kinda thought it was less common than pop culture would suggest. These personal experiences have been interesting.
 
How hard would it be to take another co-worker to the lunch too? Then they would not be alone.

The fishing trip would be different too, There is a group of guys, they wouldn't be alone. In my example of ds and dil, they don't go on fishing trips. They go out to dinner and for drinks with a group of friends. She goes out with a group of females. Unless one brought her husband, they wouldn't bring a guy. But if one did, ds would never tell her she can't go. She would choose on her on.

Play group, not alone.

You are making it into something its not.
Well, I was responding to this part of your comment:

" They each have time "out with the boys" or "the girls", they just don't go in a mixed group unless they both go. " which made it sound like just other people being there was not enough; it had to be ALL single sex or else both memebers of the couple had to be there.


As for "how hard would it be to take another co worker to lunch" as others have explained that can be hard. Here are two real life examples:

My DH travels extensively to many factiries. He is the lead/director for his department and able to handle all types of issues at a high level. They have 12 "experts" in just one of the many issue types. These are all younger/newer people who have other jobs as well but have learned enough about this one topic to go in and train some or lead some projects. The first year or so that they have that designation they will go along and shadow DH when he handles their topic, and hopefully contribute more and more of the leadership over the week so that after a couple such weeks they can take on many of the smaller/easier projects and that goes off his plate. So DH, and that person usually arrive at a plant on Monday late afternoon after a day of travel (which often involves 3-4 hours driving to some middle of nowhere place, in a shared rental car). They either stop for dinner in route, or go to dinner shortly after checking in. At that point they won't have been in the plant (that trip) to even ask someone to join them and generally the locals will not be jumping at the chance to miss a night at home to entertain them--besides which they need to go over the game plan for the next day, and there will be no one locally who would make sense to be a part of that. A couple of times during the week there will probably be big dinners involving lots of people from the plant but there is likely to be at least one other night in which no local really wants to play host, and DH can offer lots of good feedback and help to the person in that one on one dinner and mentor them and help them get better at their job.
It's a male dominated field, but two out of the twelve in that group are women---both he and I have been happy that some women are breaking that glass ceiling a bit.

Also, DH is in charge of Europe and Asia, his US counterpart is in charge of North and South America and is a woman. 2-3 times per year they get together to work on global strategy and make sure they are working at the same level, etc. They fly to one of the plants (or, better, an area where they can get to a couple in the week) and make sure that they both are seeing the same issues in audits and scoring the same, etc but then also have working dinners to discuss the strategies, training ideas, etc. It wouldn't even be appropriate for the local workers or plant managers to be in on these meetings as that could be seen as giving the visited plant an advantage over othes, etc.

So there are two real life examples of how it can be appropriate and necessary to have one on one bussiness dinners, for just my husband and he is far from unique.
My comment was meant to convey that if someone has a relationship rule in which they choose not to be in such situations I should hope that person would limit themself and not accept promotions, or quit and work in a different field, etc rather than end up in a position like my husband and then, say, suggest only men for promotion into positions which the person is required to meet with, or bow out of all those dinners with the female mentorees leaving them unable to learn as much as hteir male coutnerparts and then looking less qualified to upper management. Basically, if you are going to place those rules on YOUR relationship, I hope you (general you) are very cognizant of how it could limit others and actively work to be sure you are not allowing it do so---but rather making sure if anyone is limited by your rules it is yourself---especially when it comes to career advancement.
 
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I personally don't understand why anyone would have a problem with a spouse having a lunch or dinner be it work or friendship with a member of the opposite sex. It wouldn't occur to me to think anything of this.

Marriage is based on trust if you cn't trust your partner to lunch or have dinner with member of the opposite sex seems like something is very wrong.
 
I have been reading this thread and debating whether or not to respond. I finally decided I would, only because I agree with some of the posters that some of these comments have become condescending.

I do understand the worry about spouses having lunches with coworkers of the opposite sex. Because I can categorically say: that thing that everyone's afraid of? It does happen. It has happened. And just within the last 2 years, not even the last 30. For whatever reason, that stuff does happen, and to people you would never think it would happen to. Believe me.

Yeah but if it's gonna happen it's gonna happen. Going to lunch doesn't cause it and avoiding lunch won't stop it.
 
This! Neither dh or I would have been comfortable with this situation. Dh needed to travel a good bit also - most of the time alone, or with more than one other (both sexes). In other countries they usually dined together along with a co worker (or more) there that was familiar with the foods/language, in the states when that type situation arose, dh dined alone, or with a co worker from there.

Once, maybe fine, but why tempt fate on a regular basis. We have been happily married for 50 years now. Trust each other implicitly.

I think the point a lot of people are struggling with (or at least I am) is the idea that going to lunch regularly with a member of the opposite sex is tempting fate.
 
We're fine thanks - neither of us have been hindered professionally by our lunch habits.


You're extrapolating waaaaay past anything that was actually said by any PP. Most of us were quite clear about not being alone with opposite-sex friends; not refusing to be in co-ed groups. Why on earth would being in a co-ed group be a problem?

I wasn't extrapolating much at all--I was responding to the quote below, posted by LuvsJack and quoted by me in the reply you quoted here. Saying they don't go in a mixed group unless both are there indicated that, well, they wouldn't socialize individually with a mixed group. LuvsJack has since clairfied that is not the case, so I am not really sure why she said it, but that was what I replied to.


They each have time "out with the boys" or "the girls", they just don't go in a mixed group unless they both go.



Oh, please. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing I need to do with or for my male staff members that can't be done in the office or at the job-site; we don't need to go to lunch together. I happen to work in an industry that is extremely male-dominant. Yet, here I am - I'm their boss. All my coaching, evaluating, correcting, supporting and strategizing takes place in a professional setting. It's the same between me and my male superiors - we deal with work at work; not socializing with them privately certainly hasn't held me back.


What world would that be, Magpie? The imaginary one made up by the wild exaggerations and mischaracterizations by some in this thread? :rolleyes1 I don't live in that world either.

Well it's great that your working life is such that it is easy/normal to only have meetings and other work IN the office. You probably don't travel a lot for bussiness in which case meals out become a huge part of the work (guessing here). I also assume then that you do not want to appear to favour one gender so simply never socialize outside of the office with ANY of your coworkers, right? (and many people in professions that don't have those blurred lines do have a a "no socializing with coworkers" rule, so I can totally see that).
 
This is a really interesting thread to me. I'm single and the only female in my department. There was a brief two-month span where I wasn't but other than that it's just me.

I've been out with my whole team and all my teammates individually. We almost always take one car as well. I would think it very odd if somebody couldn't go to chat about xyz over lunch or coffee because I'm female. It would honestly make me feel really unwelcome on my team.

For awhile we also had shared offices so it was myself and a male co-worker almost all day in a room with the door closed. I'm curious if those who avoid these situations would ask for other arrangements?

I think everything is situational. Somebody is trying to get close or says things that are suggestive-by all means don't hang out with them alone. A person is known to be on the prowl in the office? Yep, stick with the group. But I've never even thought about a blanket rule for all males/females while in a relationship. To me (my opinion for myself) that would feel smothering and like the opposite of respect and would lead to parting ways.
And this is what i am talkign about.

I think it is OK if someone has these 2no alone time with opposite sex" rules for themselves and in their marraige, BUT they have to won taht and make sure they are not in a working enviornment where their rules could put others in a bad position. So, in your case, I owuld hope if anyone there had had such a rule he would have quit or asked ot be transfered into some other department where there were not situations in which the typical working enviornement would include one on one interaction, rather than not making someone like you feel unwelcome for reasons totally out of your control (your gender)
 
most lunches out are far more social than business-related.
Ah don't I wish this was the case with DH. I have tagged along on a fair number of bussiness trips, and try as I might to beg off on joinign meals out that invovle tohers, they always push for me to join in and then 80% of the conversation is work, work, work. :rotfl2:
 
Maybe that's one of the confusions in this thread. Some may be running a bunch of posts together & confusing what people are saying. My DH & I don't have a rule. I never said we did. We own our own business & literally spend maybe 3 hours a week apart, when he's running errands while I clean house. Some weeks we run errands together, since we're already out. He spends about a half hour a week on the internet, if he has something he really needs to purchase. Many times he doesn't open a computer. Good luck to him finding a woman in that time. :rotfl: I was just really surprised by the number of people who didn't appear to realize that cheating in a business environment is so common. One poster even questioned another for only citing one situation like that made it an anomaly. It's definitely not, as you agreed. I'm not posting from my current personal perspective, but was just pointing out that it's not uncommon.
Eh, I've seen cheating among both DH's coworkers and the the various stay at home parents/homeschool parents/scout leaders/teachesr I socialize with over the years.
It happens. It sucks, There always seem to be issues in the relationship. There is usually an attempt to "hide" that there is a relationship---not so much going out openly to public restrauntns when everyone knows the meal is happening.
FWIW the cheating seemed most rampant in plants in the midwest where there was little work travel.
Among those who travel all the time and probably have the most easy oppurtunity, eh, we've hardly heard or seen of any such thing. They're probably too damned busy :rotfl:
(but that probably happens to just be my random sampling of experience, I know)

Funny, that story I told right at the start of the resurrection of this thread: that same plant when we were still young (25 I think) is the first time I saw the cheating. Someone called me all aghast becuase DH was hving lunch out with a female coworker daily (and they kep inviting anyone who wanted to join along, and I went sometimes myself)---it MUST be cheating!!!
Meanwhile, the plant manager had introduced me to his wife when we moved to the area. She'd call all frustated about how the guys were having to work so late every day in the past few weeks. Huh, DH isn't working that late. . . 10 minutes after one of her calls DH emailed all frustrating that plant manager's wife is still sick and he has had to leave at 3:00 to get the kids from school every day for goign on three weeks now, maybe i could offer to help as a lot of work is fallign to DH.
Didn't take much for us to put two and two together.
We didn't say anythign beucase we did not know either that well plus DH's career would be on the line. Took about another 6 months before it all came out. Plant manager was having the classic affair with the office secretary and leaving a few minutes before or after her most days.

It didn't make me suddenly worry about Dh having lunch with a woman---just reminded me how happy I am to be married to someone who isn't devious and who tells me about those lunches and invites me along.
 
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I guess at the end of the day what it boils down to is that if that is what works for you and your relationship and that helps you feel like your bond is stonger, that is fine for you---just as it is fine for others to not feel that way and to even feel the opposite.
HOWEVER---at no time should one's relationship rules harm others in the work sphere---so it is incumbant on people with those rules in place to simply not accept employment in fields or at companies in which it is common to have one on one coffees or dinners or travel in cars or what have you. I don't think it is wrong to exclude oneself from such activities, but I think it is wrong to put other employees in the position of being excluded when they have nothing to do with your marraige or rules therein. And there are plenty of jobs in which such acticites are a normal part of the job, in which case if you live by htis rule you should exclude yourself from those jobs,
What wouldn't be OK would be taking a job in a single gender dominated profession, engaging in dinners out or other semi work semi social activities with those of your gender and then when someone comes in who is not your gender, suddenly not engaging in those same things with just that person. The peronal policy or rule, especially from a work standpoint, needs to be jsut not enaging in any one on one type thing outside the office with any coworker--to keep from discrimating against someone unfairly.
 
No, I'd be fine with sharing an office. And as far as lunch or coffee goes, I'd just politely decline
OK, I'm really not following the logic. Going to lunch with a member of the opposite sex can be a temptation and lead to an affair, but sharing an office isn't? I'm guessing a lunch would last 1-2 hours in a day, and you might only do that once a week (maybe twice). But sharing an office would be 8 hours a day EVERY day. What's different?

I was just really surprised by the number of people who didn't appear to realize that cheating in a business environment is so common.
I don't think anyone is denying cheating doesn't happen. Just that it's the exception rather than the rule.
 
My husband literally couldn't do his job without being alone with people on a regular basis. He meets with people all day long, and this week has 3 lunch and 2 bkfast "dates" with people. I don't even bother asking if its male/female that he's meeting with. Sometimes its a one off meeting. But some people he meets with quite regularly. Again - literally his job - so if we had an agreement that he couldn't be alone with females he'd have to switch jobs. Also - if those females had an agreement with their spouses to never be alone with a man then that would make my husbands job much much harder.

When I was interviewed for a previous position my first interview was with a guy at a coffee shop - second interview same thing. Then I went to that guys house to pick up the supplies I would need.

So in our situation it is not an issue to eat with someone of the opposite gender and would actually seriously hinder our careers.


And on a side note - why are we only talking about opposite gender? If what we trying to avoid is cheating, and or the appearance of any kind of impropriety, then shouldn't our spouses not be allowed to meet with gay people as well? That seems like a rabbit hole that I wouldn't want to go down.
 
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