Impeach Bush

[bsnyder]

Oh, I think I'd be crying too. No help coming from anywhere. Death all around me.

I'll never vote for you for Mayor! Or Governor!

 

[dvcgirl]

It takes 72 hours for the feds to mobilize. Period. No matter who's in charge.

This is what we were told at a disaster planning conference only last month. (when Katrina was a mere tropical depression out in the Atlantic). We were told federal help would come, but for the first three days we would be on our own, if any disaster, either natural or terrorist, were to occur. It takes them that long to get organized and mobilize. It was rather frightening to contemplate then, when it was a hypothetical tabletop drill. It's absolutely horrifying to watch now in real life.

Laurie

Very true Laurie,

The Feds need that time to ramp up. People have no idea what a massive operation it is to mobilize the forces that we'll see move into NO over the next few days.

The local goverment are the FIRST RESPONDERS and unfortunately, they let their people down. The Mayor is incompetent, the police department is corrupt and they simply let the situation deteriorate until it was utter anarchy. Blame the President? It's ridiculous...how about all the footage of the police looting right along with the residents of New Orleans. The same residents who were told to LEAVE....GET OUT. There's a good chance that the levees will break!

When I think of Jeb Bush and how he dealt with the *four* hurricanes we had here in Florida....and I watch the Gov of Louisiana...I just shake my head. She's clearly not in control. Say what you want about Jeb or his Brother...but they are men who can handle a crisis. And the Mayor is a nightmare...plain and simple...

It's a shame, it really is.

 

[DarkSideMoon]

Aloha!

First...Count us in!

Second...if a few bullets and deep waters stop the US Military from protecting American lives, heaven help us when THE BIG TERROR ATTACK comes again to our shores!

Third...would those who are defending this President's callous negligience also defend President CLINTON if he were still in office and reacted this way?

Fourth...even TUCKER CARLSON (in Slidell, LA) is angry asking "WHERE IS THE GOV'T"?

Finally...here's how I feel abouth THIS PRESIDENT's failure of responsibility:

Well! So much for HOMELAND SECURITY! We had WAY more notice on this hurricane than we would if there had been a big TERROR attack. Can it be that :
1. We STILL don't know how to get water to people if the water supply is cut off?
2. We STILL can't figure out how to equip FIRST RESPONDERS and POLICE with communication devices if cell phones go out?
3. We STILL don't know how to rescue people who are injured and dying?
4. We STILL don't know how to evacuate HOSPITALS?
5. We STILL don't know how to keep AUTOMATIC WEAPONS out of the hands of criminals during a crisis?
6. We STILL don't know how to organize truck/bus convoys to bring bread and water IN to dangerous areas? (We can get BUSSES OUT!!!)
7. We STILL don't know how to establish communication to keep the victims informed.
8. We STILL don't know how to set up a website to register victims and keep families informed.
7. We STILL don't know how to mobilize our military IMMEDIATELY!

Look! It's either we DON'T...in which HOMELAND SECURITY is a myth and the COMPLETE RESPONSIBILITY for this lies at this President's feet and we get our 22 BILLION DOLLARS back and HE GETS FIRED for malfiesence(sp?) OR....This PRESIDENT has CHOSEN to ignore the suffering of these people (even the sick and diabled in the HOSPITALS!) rather than devote the FULL RESOURCES of our GOV'T and outr MILITARY to this NATIONAL EMERGENCY in which case he is is not 'promoting the general welfare of the people' and should be FIRED! If he doesn't know what to do, read him the chapters in any US HISTORY book about FDR!

For PETE's SAKE! We liberated Europe, rebuilt it, saved Berlin by airlifting food in 24/7 for over a year, LIBERATED IRAQ!!!!! Just drop some water and bread from a helicopter to at least TRY to save some of the suffering AMERICANS!
~Rose~

1.yes we do, and if teh @#$@ would stop shooting at us they would have water.
2.how is the us military going to take out the gunmen and not injure anyone else? if they try and some innocents get killed everyone will be making a big deal over it.
3. of course, bush has done a tremendous job.
5. if you watched the news you would know they got the gones from gun stores THEY LOOTED!

 

[RyMickey]

Third...would those who are defending this President's callous negligience also defend President CLINTON if he were still in office and reacted this way?

Fourth...even TUCKER CARLSON (in Slidell, LA) is angry asking "WHERE IS THE GOV'T"?

Finally...here's how I feel abouth THIS PRESIDENT's failure of responsibility:

Well! So much for HOMELAND SECURITY! We had WAY more notice on this hurricane than we would if there had been a big TERROR attack. Can it be that :
1. We STILL don't know how to get water to people if the water supply is cut off?
2. We STILL can't figure out how to equip FIRST RESPONDERS and POLICE with communication devices if cell phones go out?
3. We STILL don't know how to rescue people who are injured and dying?
4. We STILL don't know how to evacuate HOSPITALS?
5. We STILL don't know how to keep AUTOMATIC WEAPONS out of the hands of criminals during a crisis?
6. We STILL don't know how to organize truck/bus convoys to bring bread and water IN to dangerous areas? (We can get BUSSES OUT!!!)
7. We STILL don't know how to establish communication to keep the victims informed.
8. We STILL don't know how to set up a website to register victims and keep families informed.
7. We STILL don't know how to mobilize our military IMMEDIATELY!

Look! It's either we DON'T...in which HOMELAND SECURITY is a myth and the COMPLETE RESPONSIBILITY for this lies at this President's feet and we get our 22 BILLION DOLLARS back and HE GETS FIRED for malfiesence(sp?) OR....This PRESIDENT has CHOSEN to ignore the suffering of these people (even the sick and diabled in the HOSPITALS!) rather than devote the FULL RESOURCES of our GOV'T and outr MILITARY to this NATIONAL EMERGENCY in which case he is is not 'promoting the general welfare of the people' and should be FIRED! If he doesn't know what to do, read him the chapters in any US HISTORY book about FDR!

For PETE's SAKE! We liberated Europe, rebuilt it, saved Berlin by airlifting food in 24/7 for over a year, LIBERATED IRAQ!!!!! Just drop some water and bread from a helicopter to at least TRY to save some of the suffering AMERICANS!
~Rose~

Oh...I'm too tired...I'm not gonna even bother....

 

[DarkSideMoon]

Oh...I'm too tired...I'm not gonna even bother....

lol, i am out of here, i have said all i can and this thread will be locked and buried tommarrow so i dont care anymore.

 

[bsnyder]

The first responders are first because they are there, ON THE GROUND, where the disaster strikes.

What some people seem to be asking, illogically, of the feds, is that they deploy massive teams in every major city and in every possible place a natural disaster or terrorist attack could possibly strike, and just wait for it to happen.

We could do that, and have those teams duplicate the efforts of the local communities. And waste a ton of resources.

Or we could hold local officials responsible for what they're elected to do!

 

[gottaluvPluto]

Are you kidding??? Everyone who was paying attention knew what would happen with stronger than a category 3 storm.

Again, the local and state governement dropped the ball. They probably thought the hurricane would turn in the last hours. All the people I talked to truly didn't think N.O would get the hurricane. For some reason they thought it would come to Pensacola.

The local and state goverment knew the dangers of the levees and they didn't do anything about it. They chose to take a risk and now we have a crisis.

 

[poohandwendy]

great post dvcgirl. I think people need to take a deep breath and realize that dealing with a situation of this magnatude is much more complicated than it seems.

 

[DawnCt1]

I don't think people understand how preparing for a hurricane works. THe state and local governments communicate to other state and local goverments and national guards and so on. Then they arrange a staging ground with people ready to go in after the hurricane. With what I am seeing on TV, the state and local governement did not arrange a staging ground. With not staging grounds, N.O didn't have the resources to help their people.

The Federal Goverment is now sending more help and things are getting under control. I think we are doing a wonderful job with a huge city. I

Just to add to this discussion. DMAT/FEMA had established a staging ground by Saturday afternoon.

 

[poohandwendy]

The first responders are first because they are there, ON THE GROUND, where the disaster strikes.

What some people seem to be asking, illogically, of the feds, is that they deploy massive teams in every major city and in every possible place a natural disaster or terrorist attack could possibly strike, and just wait for it to happen.

We could do that, and have those teams duplicate the efforts of the local communities. And waste a ton of resources.

Or we could hold local officials responsible for what they're elected to do!

Exactly...but I guess it is much more dramatic to call for the presidents job...

 

[DawnCt1]

I think I'm just going to copy and paste your post on every thread concerning the hurricane that also bashes the President. Excellent, excellent post.

Like you said, this is something unprecedented for our country. The local government failed its people (very, very unfortunate) and the federal government will most certainly help.

We're dealing with tens of thousands of people here. I thoroughly understand the frustration people are experiencing at this point, but the folks that are politicizing this are aggravating me to no end this evening .

Yes, great idea. Her post was a well articulated, concise and accurate post.

 

[Caradana]

This is a phenomenally poor showing by Bush. I mean, PHENOMENALLY poor. It showcases Rove's two greatest weaknesses - mega-organization (he's good at puppeting individual men, one man in particular, but he's terrible at coordinating a huge rescue initiative) and warm and fuzzy connection to people (Bush can usually fake this one but he's totally out of his realm here).

This is what happens when we elect a brainless icon as President: he simply does not have the intellectual or emotional power to rise to this occasion, same as he didn't in 9/11. Remember the look on his face when Andrew Card whispered in his ear in that elementary school classroom, back on 9/11? Blank. Befuddled. No concept of what that might mean. No flash of thought or insight or pain - just blank. The red states elected a guy they felt like they could have a beer with, because he didn't threaten their self-concept: well, that's what they got, a guy they could have a beer with who is grossly incapable of a reaction befitting this tragedy. Why is anyone surprised that George can't handle this? Could he handle that oil company he drove into bankruptcy? Could he handle that baseball team he drove into the ground? What reason has he ever given us to justify a belief that he could handle this at all?

Remember Rudy Giuliani, immediately post-9/11: "The losses are more than we can bear." Unscripted, natural, perfect. Then, a social services response that was more complete and cohesive than any put together at any time in history. Rudy for President in 2008. May we retire George to the ranch permanently.

 

[bsnyder]

I'd also like to point out that I would never expect the state and local officials to have everything go perfectly. It's not possible, certainly not with a disaster of this magnitude, or even with something much more trivial.

Every single contingency can not be fully anticipated.

But their response on this has been beyond pathetic.

And if the Feds don't hurry up and get their ball moving, I'll be equally critical of them. They're about at that 72 hour mark!

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

The first responders are first because they are there, ON THE GROUND, where the disaster strikes.

What some people seem to be asking, illogically, of the feds, is that they deploy massive teams in every major city and in every possible place a natural disaster or terrorist attack could possibly strike, and just wait for it to happen.

We could do that, and have those teams duplicate the efforts of the local communities. And waste a ton of resources.

Or we could hold local officials responsible for what they're elected to do!

Right...except this has been declared BY THIS ADMINISTRATION to be a NATIONAL EMERGENCY placing full responsibility upon the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT..... But...you're right...let's blame anyone else...as long as we NEVER hold our Commander-in-Chief and the leader of the Free-World accountable for anything, anywhere, at any time...Amazing...the first omnipotent American KING! Too bad the Constitution disagrees...and so does history.
~Rose~

 

[julia & nicks mom]

Yes, great idea. Her post was a well articulated, concise and accurate post.

maybe we should just start a thread with it -

it is irrelevant though - people will call for the head of the president anytime things do not run perfectly!!

No one seems to care that has been working night and day to get things under control when the local government so miserably failed!!

 

[Caradana]

What some people seem to be asking, illogically, of the feds, is that they deploy massive teams in every major city and in every possible place a natural disaster or terrorist attack could possibly strike, and just wait for it to happen.

We could do that, and have those teams duplicate the efforts of the local communities. And waste a ton of resources.

Or we could hold local officials responsible for what they're elected to do!

While the idea of a strong local government is a beautiful Republican ideal, our fiscal structure isn't set up to support it, and, honestly, our talent pool simply isn't that deep. Think of the mayor of your town. Do you think he'd be able to handle its total destruction with smarts and savvy? He's probably not that bright a guy. If he is, he surely has a career in front of him that involves state and federal government, right? The cream rises to the top.

YES, I think the feds should duplicate the efforts of the local communities when it comes to emergency preparedness and homeland security - and I say this as a woman who walks by U.S. Army soldiers with semiautomatic weapons on 42nd Street every day. This fall of New Orleans, honestly, is an issue of homeland security.

 

[bsnyder]

This is a phenomenally poor showing by Bush. I mean, PHENOMENALLY poor. It showcases Rove's two greatest weaknesses - mega-organization (he's good at puppeting individual men, one man in particular, but he's terrible at coordinating a huge rescue initiative) and warm and fuzzy connection to people (Bush can usually fake this one but he's totally out of his realm here).

This is what happens when we elect a brainless icon as President: he simply does not have the intellectual or emotional power to rise to this occasion, same as he didn't in 9/11. Remember the look on his face when Andrew Card whispered in his ear in that elementary school classroom, back on 9/11? Blank. Befuddled. No concept of what that might mean. No flash of thought or insight or pain - just blank. The red states elected a guy they felt like they could have a beer with, because he didn't threaten their self-concept: well, that's what they got, a guy they could have a beer with who is grossly incapable of a reaction befitting this tragedy. Why is anyone surprised that George can't handle this? Could he handle that oil company he drove into bankruptcy? Could he handle that baseball team he drove into the ground? What reason has he ever given us to justify a belief that he could handle this at all?

Remember Rudy Giuliani, immediately post-9/11: "The losses are more than we can bear." Unscripted, natural, perfect. Then, a social services response that was more complete and cohesive than any put together at any time in history. Rudy for President in 2008. May we retire George to the ranch permanently.

Dana, you're usually so logical. I'm disappointed.

 

[bsnyder]

While the idea of a strong local government is a beautiful Republican ideal, our fiscal structure isn't set up to support it, and, honestly, our talent pool simply isn't that deep. Think of the mayor of your town. Do you think he'd be able to handle its total destruction with smarts and savvy? He's probably not that bright a guy. If he is, he surely has a career in front of him that involves state and federal government, right? The cream rises to the top.

YES, I think the feds should duplicate the efforts of the local communities when it comes to emergency preparedness and homeland security - and this fall of New Orleans, honestly, is an issue of homeland security.

Actually, our mayor is a woman, AND a Democrat, and I (die hard Republican that I am) actually worked on the campaign to help elect her. She's phenomenal.

But don't think the thought hasn't crossed my mind in the last few days - is MY city gonna be like this, when the big one finally hits? I'm wondering if I could actually go down to City Hall and demand to review the plans?

If you think they should duplicate the efforts, that's fine. I might even end up agreeing with you, especially after this. And our country may decide we have to do this.

But that wasn't the facts on the ground when Katrina struck.

 

[Caradana]

Dana, you're usually so logical. I'm disappointed.

I follow logic. Logic respects the intellectually strong. I'm a young Republican who's not embarrassed to say that this Bush doesn't have the goods. His father did. He might've had a sweet presidency in his father's term, with a winnable Middle Eastern war and relative calm at home. But he is so Peter Principled in this job ... he is so totally incapable of managing its basic functions and speaking to its responsiblities ... I literally flinch to watch.

 

[julia & nicks mom]

Remember the look on his face when Andrew Card whispered in his ear in that elementary school classroom, back on 9/11? Blank. Befuddled.

are you kidding me - the man was in a room of young children whom he didn't want to frighten -

when you first heard that a plane had hit the WTC did you FULLY grasp what it meant - Guliani's response was not live his first repsonse of the situation - he got to script his first moment -

how much info could Card have possibly given the president in that moment

oh forget it - it has been almost 4 years