I think we have officially lost our minds....aka Gracie's Tale

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I am waiting for a call back from a Chihuahua breeder. We have 3 babies already and are considering taking in a 4th. Her name is Gracie and she reminds me so much of the baby we lost last year.

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Isn't she freakin' adorable?!?!
 
YES, she's freaking adorable! :lovestruc

You two remind me of me and my wife -- we are addicted to bald kitties (sphynx). We have three babies total, two bald, one furry (if our life were a soap opera, it would be called The Bald and the Fluffy), and we came SO close this year to adding a fourth to our brood. Ultimately finances and common sense made our decision for us, but it's only a matter of time before we see a little face that calls us to take him/her home with us. :rolleyes1 Our bed is only SO big, tho, so I can't imagine where we would all sleep. And our youngest is spoiled ROTTON, and she completely calls the shots at our house, for two legged and four legged alike. I wouldn't want to piss her off! :scared:

Keep us posted on the baby front. :angel:
 
Yes - she is adorable. :lovestruc Hope you get the call back that you are looking for.

We started our family with a puppy in a similar situation - the breeder wanted to place him as a pet and she only wanted to be reimbursed for the neutering. He is wonderful. Then she called us a couple of years later with another that had come back to her in unfortunate circumstances. And we took her. Then we decided that they needed a playmate - so we found a local rescue and went to get one of their dogs and came home with 2 that day because one jumped in my lap and refused to budge - had obviously decided he was going home with us.

So we now have 4 - and sometimes we consider more, but for now 4 is enough. :teacher:

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Lindy - So when will you decide for sure?

We have 2 cats, which is one more than our lease allows. :rolleyes1 DH and DS still look at the cats up for adoption when they go to buy cat food at PetSmart, then they come home and tell me about them. We are NOT getting a third cat! :scared:
 
OH 6

How in the world did you get your dogs to pose like that? We have 1 greyhound, Chloe, who was a resuce, but I doubt she would ever sit there for us st string lights and put a hat on her, and wait till we get Pokey (Dalmatian/Australian Shepard mix) to sit with her!!!

VERY CUTE!
 
If our life were a soap opera, it would be called The Bald and the Fluffy.

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OMG, they are so stinkin' cute!

Lindy - So when will you decide for sure?

I got a call back! :woohoo: I am very excited! We are going to drive up there tomorrow evening to meet her. She has a very shy personality and has been bounced around a bit, but I think that she is probably going to fit into our lives quite well. I am hoping that she likes us. I am going to be ok, if she doesn't. It's more about making the dog happy than making us happy. I am willing to drive 5 hours total and come home with no dog, if it's in her best interest. Corey will be with me, so that we both have a chance to meet her and decide if she is going to fit into our little herd.
 
One more thing that I feel that I have to add about Gracie and our dogs. All of our girls have the same coloring, white and tan. All of our girls have a brown patch on their back right at the base of their tails. We never set out to only take those dogs, but it just seems like that is the look of one of our girls.

When I talked to Sherry about Gracie today, I told her about these markings and about how much Gracie reminds us of our sweet baby that we lost in 2007. I told her that we always seem to get these girls that are similarly colored and that if Gracie had a brown patch on her back at the base of her tail that it would be like someone had stamped her as being ours. She just giggled when I said that.

Tonight, I spent some time looking through the directory of her website and found photos of the babies she had before she was fixed. I also found a couple of other photos of Gracie.

Found new photos on the website....
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I can hardly believe it. Gracie has the brown patch on her back at the base of her tail like our girls. :lovestruc I will be shocked if we don't come home with her tomorrow night. I think we were meant to be this dog's humans.
 
We brought Gracie home. She is super shy, but warming up to us pretty well. She isn't so comfortable with our dogs just yet. Of course, we got home all of 45 minutes ago, so there is plenty of time for that. She seemed to only tolerate the presence of the dogs in Sherry's home. She is a very shy and insecure dog. We are going to have a lot of work to do to get her to totally feel at home here.

We are both pooped right now. The drive up was aweful. There was a mountain that we went up near Brasstown Bald that was just horrible. I got super nauseous and had to pull over. On the way home, we drove about 40 miles out of the way, just to avoid having to go down that mountain because there was very heavy fog and I wasn't into the idea of driving off the mountain.

I am looking forward Gracie being an integrated part of our little herd.
 
Congrats on the new baby!! :goodvibes

It's so funny that she has those particular markings -- I had an appointment with my stylist today and she was showing off pics of her new baby: a rescued long-haired chihuahua. He has the same markings as your babies! I told her he looked like a vanilla creme cookie. :lovestruc
 
Congrats on the new addition!! :flower3: I'm sure she'll be very happy being part of your herd.

Paco was also very shy and insecure when we got him. We made a conscious effort to spend at least a half hour each every day with him on our lap just petting him. Which he didn't care for at all - but he put up with it. That helped some at the beginning, but what we found really made a difference was for us to go to Obedience School at the local Petsmart. We only took Paco - he got to socialize a lot with the other dogs that were not part of his family and he learned to pay attention to us for commands and treats - which made a big difference. He actually passed the class which was a shock for both of us and the instructor. We practiced our lessons every week and he learned to sit, stay, come, etc. He's a much different dog now. He does have some parts of his aloof carefree nature left in him still - but he's not the nervous nelly that we brought home that night from the rescue.

As far as getting the kids to sit for pictures, it's hard to say what we do differently. I think I need to figure it out and bottle it since we always seem to get asked that question. That holiday picture is the result of 1 hour with the camera, 2 people distracting and taking a total of 28 pictures to get the 1 that you saw. They are easily distracted by treats and don't mind the headgear or sweaters too much - but an hour is about all we can get them to do - so if we don't get a good picture within that hour we have to try again later. We are getting more daring with the pics - it used to be just sweaters - then we added hats/costumes - now props like the lights...who knows what's next? Maybe dancing girls?? :dance3:

Here's Paco's Graduation Picture - they pass the hat around so you can take a picture:
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AND - if you haven't heard of it yet or seen it - go to Dogster.com - you can create pages for your dogs on there and they can have friends - kinda like a facebook for dogs. Here is Widget's page - you can find the other 4 linked to his page: http://www.dogster.com/dogs/39227/in/stroll/
 
Gracie and I went to the vet's office this morning. Gracie needs at least 3 tooth extractions, has a fever, and has conjunctivitis. So, for now, she is on antibiotics to help control the infection in her mouth from the rotting teeth and she is on eye drops. Because of the eye infection, we need to keep her away from the other dogs for at least a week and due to her behavior issues, we are just going to hold off on mixing them together again for 2 weeks. Corey will be gone for the next two weeks solid and then will be working at a site near home for a week. That will be the perfect time to mix them together because we will both be here to watch over them all.

We are holding off on the dental work until the first weekend in February. The vet said that she should be ok to wait after this round of antibiotics. She felt that it was important that we didn't traumatize Gracie any more than necessary right now and I agree. The good part of waiting, is that by happy accident, February is Dental Health month and all dental procedures are 20% off in February....it's still going to cost over $300 to fix her teeth, but any discount is appreciated.

I called the Sherry about Gracie's vet visit and progress. I was very nice about it all. She got a bit defensive, but I don't want to turn this into a fussing match. I am not asking for any money back or for any money to take care of these issues. This dog didn't belong in that environment. She is very much loved already and is adapting. She came to me a little bit ago, which was a huge improvement over last night and this morning.

This is one of those situations that is going to take a lot of patience and time.
 
Let me just say you are a better woman than I. If someone SOLD a dog to me that needed that much veterinary care I would be livid. Over the top, white-hot furious. And I wouldn't have been polite about it, either.

I am glad you were able to get Gracie, and I sincerely hope she is able to be integrated successfully into the household. :wizard:
 
Let me just say you are a better woman than I. If someone SOLD a dog to me that needed that much veterinary care I would be livid. Over the top, white-hot furious. And I wouldn't have been polite about it, either.

I am glad you were able to get Gracie, and I sincerely hope she is able to be integrated successfully into the household. :wizard:

I have to agree. I'm sorry, but this is completely COMPLETELY unacceptable, and frankly is sounding like a "backyard breeder" situation. She got DEFENSIVE about Gracie having health problems?? Instead of WORRIED???

That's a huge red flag. I'm sorry for the yelling in the previous paragraph, but this kind of thing really ticks me off. I've had my own share of experiences with irresponsible breeders, and consider them a plague. They are the worst epidemic and the most harmful influence in any breed. As an animal lover, it burns me up that these people are out there, contaminating the breed, doing their best to DESTROY the best things about a particular breed, because they are too lazy to educate themselves on responsible breeding practices. Too lazy and probably too stupid.

My youngest kitty came from a very good breeder. She had some minor health issues during her first year with us and I stayed in very close contact with Leslie (the breeder). She was concerned and loving -- Bacardi was HER baby first, you see. Letting kittens (and puppies) go is one of the most difficult part of a good breeder's job. They fall in love with each and every precious baby, and even when they know they have found them a wonderful, loving home, it's hard to part with them. Never in a million years would a loving, responsible breeder get DEFENSIVE if she learned that one of her newly placed babies was ill.

And, for crying out loud, you just got her yesterday and now you learn she needs TOOTH EXTRACTIONS?!?!?!?! :mad: I'm boiling over.

Do NOT let that freaking backyard breeder off the hook. She should be reported. That does NOT mean she gets Gracie back -- she apparently had no business having her in the first place. But it sounds like her little puppy farm needs to be shut down.

Ugh. Un-freaking-believable. Going off somewhere to calm down..... :headache:
 
Ugh. Confrontation. I hate it. But. I'll do it when absolutely necessary, and this does seem like one of those situations!

I'm sorry your poor little Gracie has so many problems right of the bat with you! Hopefully, you'll get them all worked out and the person who sold her to you will be responsible enough to offer at least some amount of compensation.

Take care now and good luck with the little sweetie!
 
Glad to hear Gracie came to you - that is progress. We have had similar things happen with 3 of the dogs where as soon as we took them to the vet they needed some sort of treatment - but 2 were coming from a rescue and we expected that because they were upfront about their issues. The other one was from the breeder and she too was concerned and wondered why her vet didn't catch the problem - also dental related. Once fixed Betty turned a corner and got much better very quickly. :)

We have also learned thae Feb is Dental month for pets - and do our dentals in February - better done with the discount.:thumbsup2

I agree that puppy mill breeders should be reported - they are adding to an already bad overpopulation problem recklessly - and the health issues that come out of those mills are preventable - which is sad. :sad2:

Hope you have a good 2 weeks with Gracie and she gets to feeling better. :wizard:
 
I checked out Gracie's breeder's site. They aren't your typical "puppy mill" breeders, in that they give a good impression of a reputable breeder. This only makes them more unpalatable and dangerous. Their "defensive" response to Gracie's condition gives their true colors away. :mad:
 
A little more backstory is in order.....
I have talked in email with Sherry in the past. She has been by my best ability to determine via email and website monitoring a responsible breeder. She breeds to better the line. She shows her dogs, one of which was invited to show at Westminister. She won't breed merles because that is a Dachshund trait not a Chihuahua trait. If a female has to have a c-section to deliver, she never breeds that dog again. All of these little things add up to create a pretty good picture of a responsible breeder.

Sherry has by her report about 35 dogs in her breeding kennel. Her main focus is the Chihuahuas, but they have a few English Bulldogs too as pets. The family also owns a separate onsite dog boarding facility. They had quarter horses before too, but not now due to the expense. Sherry's husband is currently laid off. Sherry's daughter and granddaughter, who is about 2 years old, live in the lower level of their home.

When we got to the house, there were 4 Chihuahuas in the home running around....Luca, Minnie-Me, Tru, and Gracie. Luca and Minnie-Me were very much "in your lap immediately" type of dogs. Both had eye discharge, which happens sometimes with Chihuahuas and it's not usually from infection, and Luca had horrible breath. Tru was very shy, but did come around for some attention. Tru had some major health issues as a baby and due to lack of bloodflow on more than one occasion isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Gracie was Gracie. She flinched at every noise. She had loads of anxiety and shook like a leaf, but she bonded with Corey really well. Gracie had bad breath and a little eye discharge.

The one thing that I didn't check, which I have never not checked on a dog before taking it home, the teeth. If I had looked, I would have been mad right then and there. I was so mad at myself yesterday at the vet's office, you have no idea. Part of the reason that I think that I didn't look was Gracie's anxiety level and the story that Sherry told us about the guy that had come earlier in the day to look at one of her older boys that she is also trying to sell named Laddy. Laddy is a beautiful chocolate and tan long haired male. Laddy wasn't purchased, but had been by her report manhandled....lifted by the scruff of the neck and thrown onto his back for a full inspection. As fragile as Gracie seemed, it did seem a bit wrong to mess with her anymore than absolutely necessary.

We were in their home for 2-1/2 hours. Everything in the home was clean and smelled fine, even with a couple of puppy pads on the floor in the livingroom. Since the Chihuahuas in the kennel had already been locked up for the night, we didn't ask to go down there. The pups she brought out that she is hand raising that are crated in her office in the house were beautiful. Laddy was brought out briefly and he looked good as well.

She does her own vaccines. She uses Advantix. We forgot to discuss heartworm preventative. We talked about vets. She said that her vet charged $300 for dental work every 6 months and she couldn't afford that. So, we knew that dental care had been neglected, which I understand and don't understand all at the same time. We don't take our dogs to have their teeth cleaned either, but we provide them with proper foods and chewies to help keep their teeth clean and we check them at least once a month to make sure that everything looks ok. So far, both of our girls have had baby teeth removed when they were spayed, but no other dental issues have come up with any of them. So, even though Toy sized dogs tend to have dental issues, regular dental care with the vet is not always necessary....IMHO. If one of mine seemed to be developing a problem, I would take them into the vet's office ASAP to deal with it before it ever got to where Gracie's mouth is at.

By her own admission, Sherry never expected to have more than 10 dogs in her breeding facility. She has been around for over 10 years and has dogs that she has retired from breeding that she has kept still. She had one that had gotten so old and sick that she just had to put her down a few days ago. She lets the dogs go out in separate pens....one for the boys and one for the girls. She watches over the dogs when they are outside, however, Gracie's mom was killed when Sherry had left them outside without supervision for a few minutes and several of the dogs ganged up on her and killed her. :eek:

Gracie's mom was originally owned by a breeder in FL. That woman's husband became ill and the woman had to give up her dogs. Sherry said that Gracie's mom was a very shy dog, like Gracie. When Gracie and her siblings were born, they were handled a lot to help socialize them. The sibs all turned out ok, Gracie is Gracie. Gracie had one litter and was spayed because she required a c-section.

Honestly, I can't see a scar on her belly and her nipples do not look like she ever had pups. I saw pictures on Sherry's website of pups that were listed as being her pups, so I am going to trust that what she has told me is correct. I found the puppy pics by looking at her directory and the names attached to the picture files, she didn't show me the pictures.

Knowing that Gracie needed a better place to be and knowing that we could provide that for her was the reason that we took her. Now, knowing about her dental issues and the fact that Sherry isn't doing all that she should for her dog's dental health, well, that's another reason to feel good about taking Gracie out of that situation. Having dealt with drama in the past from rescuing more than one dog in my lifetime, I know that this breeder isn't going to offer to do anything. That's part of the reason she went on the defensive. She acted sort of concerned, but was definately defensive. The call that I made was like this...."Gracie is making little baby steps toward being more comfortable with us. This morning, the vet said she needs 3 tooth extractions, has a fever and conjunctivitis and she is going to need eye drops and Clavamox to make her better. You need to watch your dogs' eye discharge and if it gets goopy and or very profuse, you are going to need to get them some drops too." She was quick to point out that the cost of the preventative dental care had been discussed and that she had let us know that the $300/dog every six months was unaffordable. I told her that I knew that and that I wasn't mad, but I was calling just to let her know how things were going and what she needed to watch for in her other dogs. She still seemed defensive and said that none of her dogs had ever had conjunctivitis, which I find hard to believe.

I am mad and Corey is severely pissed off, but I am also wrapped up in providing Gracie with a lot of love and attention right now. Corey just left for the airport, so all of this is on me for the next two weeks. I am strongly considering reporting her, but I am not quite sure who I report her to yet. I think it's the state department of agriculture that licenses breeders and kennels. At any rate, I have no desire to ask Sherry for anything. There will be nothing good that comes out of it. Gracie is ours now and we love her. She is in a better place with us were she is going to get her needs met and be spoiled rotten.
 
Maybe a call to the SPCA for input and guidance on what to do (if anything)? I don't know anything about breeders. All of our cats have been shelter cats. Our youngest, Arabella, is from a rescue group where she was in a foster home. She was quite healthy when we got her - she has required only routine vet care.

I just really feel like it was wrong for the breeder to ask you to pay for a sick animal. I feel it is wrong for her to offer no guarantee of health, no refund now that Gracie is going to need extensive dental work, etc. Sounds to me like she can't afford proper care for the animals and she probably REALLY needs to downsize so she can afford the vet bills. If her husband isn't working maybe they need to rethink the whole breeding business. But that won't happen. :sad2:

Anyway, I hope Gracie's health continues to improve and that you are able to get her acclimated so she isn't so timid. :wizard: Hopefully all will go well while Corey is away. :hug:
 





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