I Just Saw the most incredible PSA or "ad".

DawnCt1 said:
Thats the typical hew and cry from the left, If we can't do it for everyone, why do it for anyone? Were you as outraged over Bosnia or was that okay because it was Clinton's decision?
I find it amazing how the right continues to play up the fairytale that the entire idea behind the invasion of Iraq was some sort of humanitarian action without the slightest hint of embarrassment. Kool-aid...O-YEAH!!!
 
I find the ad manipulative and naive (if not downright offensive). They cannot get a good estimate, but the conservative estimates are 10000 Iraqis dead. Other estimates go inthe 100000 range. Most of these people were innocent victims. It is more than naive to think this war did not come at a huge cost. One which the Iraqi people continue to pay for. One that our brave soldiers continue to pay for.

The only reason the President ever got the thumbs up for war is because he told us of the mushroom clouds and that would be our smoking gun. That was the deal maker for a preemptive strike.


I am surprised Haliburton did not subsidise the ad . (clearly not a PSA!!)

This ad is about as heartfelt as the Philip Morris ads.
 
yeartolate said:
I find the ad manipulative and naive (if not downright offensive). They cannot get a good estimate, but the conservative estimates are 10000 Iraqis dead. Other estimates go inthe 100000 range. Most of these people were innocent victims. It is more than naive to think this war did not come at a huge cost. One which the Iraqi people continue to pay for. One that our brave soldiers continue to pay for.

The only reason the President ever got the thumbs up for war is because he told us of the mushroom clouds and that would be our smoking gun. That was the deal maker for a preemptive strike.


I am surprised Haliburton did not subsidise the ad . (clearly not a PSA!!)

This ad is about as heartfelt as the Philip Morris ads.

And how many of those deaths have been caused by insurgents?? Of course we are back to Haliburton again. What else? Might interest you to know that Michael Moore has stock in Haliburton. :rotfl:
 
Laura said:
Not at all. And if Bush had just said, "we're going into Iraq because Saddam's a bad man" then a lot of liberals wouldn't be so cheesed off.
Problem is, if it were truly humanitarian, and Bush would have asked, the Republican base wouldn't have gone along with it...it's a pretty well known fact that they aren't big on "nation building". Suddenly, after all other reasons have either proven false or unpopular, they've settled on the politically correct, feel good story were hearing now. Unfortunately for this Administration, most people, both right and left, aren't buying what this president's peddling anymore!!
 

"Not at all. And if Bush had just said, "we're going into Iraq because Saddam's a bad man" then a lot of liberals wouldn't be so cheesed off."

I agree here. I'm happy that we can help people who need it. I'm happy we eventually (after WAY to many years, IMO) helped my relatives who were being systemacitlly killed by Hitler. That's what's great about this country - we can help those in need. And we should try and help more.

I just don't like that the gov't wasn't honest with us when this whole thing first started. And they weren't.

Honestly - if I didn't detest him so much, I'd love to ask Karl Rove to come and teach a course on PR here at my PR firm. He's better at spin then ANYONE else on the market right now.
 
BunsenH said:
b. White Phosphorous. WP proved to be an effective and versatile munition. We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE. We fired "shake and bake" missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out.


You have a problem killing people who are out to kill the rest of us?? :confused3
 
DawnCt1 said:
You have a problem killing people who are out to kill the rest of us?? :confused3
I have a problem selling our proverbial soul to win at any cost. Why not drop a couple nukes and we'll pick up the pieces left and hand them to the handful of Iraqi survivors? Less American casualities that way...
 
WIcruizer said:
I get the sense those opposed to the war are following the crowd more than anything else. There was overwhelming acceptance going in, and for the most part it has gone very well. President Bush went out of his way to warn us it wouldn't be fast or easy.

Yet the media is quick to point out every problem. It's a WAR, of course there will be problems. The big picture is the Iraqis support our efforts. Just as critical, if not more, is the fact we are fighting and defeating terrorists in Iraq, rather than New York or Miami. Think about this. Really. Clear your head of preconceived thoughts on this war, and answer this. If this war is really pointless, then why are so mnay outside insurgents interested in keeping Iraq from becoming a democracy? Because they know all too well that the population of Iran is rather pro-West and it will stir them up for change in Iran to ane evn higher degree. Pressure will be on Saudi Arabia. Suddenly countries like Syria have to get on board or be outcasts in the region.

I can't begin to cover the entire world picture in one post, but I think it's important to understand there is FAR more at stake than throw away lines like "war for oil" or "where are WMDs?" This is about remving a dictator who thumbed his nose for years at the UN, and relace him with a form of democracy. And the consequences of that is world changing.
Thank you for your correct views on this war. I know our military respects the President and the mission they are on. When I say I respect what they are doing that is it. I don't add," I don't agree with this war." War of any kind comes with casualties. That is the price of freedom. The facts are no matter what good comes out of this war the Bush critics will never give him credit. That is what is so sad. They only want to push their own agenda for the next election. They could care less one way or the other.
 
DawnCt1 said:
Thats the typical hew and cry from the left, If we can't do it for everyone, why do it for anyone? Were you as outraged over Bosnia or was that okay because it was Clinton's decision?

Actually I don't label myself as left or right. And actually I didn't vote for Clinton.

I don't think the US had or has any reason for invading Iraq. My point is, if you're going to say that we had to do it because of genocide.... well, that's wrong. Obviously the US government doesn't intervene in all cases. They pick and choose politically.
 
It's funny how the Left twists history. President Bush gave the reasons for war over and over again for anyone who cared to listen. Hussein did not comply with UN resolutions, and that had to be dealt with. The side benefit is liberating Iraq.

Now, to be fair, it turns out Hussein was not the IMMEDIATE threat everyone thought he was. And remember, it wan't just the US who believed there could be an immediate threat. British authorities believed it and the UN believed it to a certain extent. Espionage is not a perfect science. Regardless of any of that, do you honestly believe the 9/11 attack didn't inspire Hussein? And just because at the time he wasn't an imminat threat, he wouldn't have been in a year? THAT'S the case Bush layed out over and over again.
 
WIcruizer said:
It's funny how the Left twists history. President Bush gave the reasons for war over and over again for anyone who cared to listen. Hussein did not comply with UN resolutions, and that had to be dealt with. The side benefit is liberating Iraq.

Now, to be fair, it turns out Hussein was not the IMMEDIATE threat everyone thought he was. And remember, it wan't just the US who believed there could be an immediate threat. British authorities believed it and the UN believed it to a certain extent. Espionage is not a perfect science. Regardless of any of that, do you honestly believe the 9/11 attack didn't inspire Hussein? And just because at the time he wasn't an imminat threat, he wouldn't have been in a year? THAT'S the case Bush layed out over and over again.

The UN believed it because George Bush's spokesman, Colin Powell, stood up in front of the world and convinced them it was true!
 
I really like the commercial where the lady in bed rolls over and says "mornin' tiger!" - and then you see she is talking to her cat and he is all happy that she is awake and can feed him his chow....that one always gives me a warm fuzzy....and I feel good about it, because it is clear that they are tryin' to ****SELL**** me something! ;)

:wizard:
 
I love the ad for the movie Madasgascar and the madagascar penguins. Some of the chicken little ads are really great to.
 
And has anyone seen those cows in the California Cheese commercial that ring the farmers doorbell, then run away and laugh?
 
WIcruizer said:
I get the sense those opposed to the war are following the crowd more than anything else. There was overwhelming acceptance going in, and for the most part it has gone very well.
Give me a break! Yeah, maybe some of you "free thinking" neocons can explain how swimmingly the war on terror is going to our Jordanian allies as they sift through their dead. Please!
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
Give me a break! Yeah, maybe some of you "free thinking" neocons can explain how swimmingly the war on terror is going to our Jordanian allies as they sift through their dead. Please!


Would you be so kind as to remind us WHO killed WHO and for WHAT reason?

Thanks.
 
Charade said:
Would you be so kind as to remind us WHO killed WHO and for WHAT reason?

Thanks.
In an Internet statement, al-Qaida in Iraq linked the blasts at the Grand Hyatt, the Radisson SAS and the Days Inn hotels to the war in Iraq and called Amman the "backyard garden" for U.S. operations.

You're welcome.
 
eclectics said:
The UN believed it because George Bush's spokesman, Colin Powell, stood up in front of the world and convinced them it was true!

The UN believed it during the Clinton administration as well. The world believed it. I still believe they existed and may have been moved to Syria.
 
DawnCt1 said:
The UN believed it during the Clinton administration as well. The world believed it. I still believe they existed and may have been moved to Syria.

Now they're in Syria? Where on God's green earth did you hear that one? Please provide the source. I have to read this one for myself!
 


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