I Just Saw the most incredible PSA or "ad".

Sounds nice. We've been thanked before, most famously by the Kurdish interim-president of Iraq in a nice speech - the Kerry campaign statement was that he's just a Bush puppet anyway. We've been thanked in Iraqi blogs - the left says those are CIA plants. So there's a pattern, which would be hilarious if we were talking about something besides ethnic cleansing. But since we are talking about ethnic cleansing, I'd like to know what part of Kurds being grateful for the US kicking Saddam out of power is so hard to understand?
 
ioahulk said:
LOL....this sounds like a Bush quote. :rotfl:

Here is a better quote:

"Wow! Brazil is big." —George W. Bush, after being shown a map of Brazil by Brazilian president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brasilia, Brazil, Nov. 6, 2005

One child that was definitely left behind! Guess our Ivy League president forgot the basic geography class :rotfl:

Now...back to the regularly scheduled discussion of commercials....
 
DawnCt1 said:
The UN believed it during the Clinton administration as well. The world believed it. I still believe they existed and may have been moved to Syria.
The world did not believe it, in fact if you remember the polls, more than 90% of the population of the European countries that DID sent troops to Irak, were agaist the war.
 

You know what? There was some warm and fuzzy "Germany is great" propaganda circulating around that country in the late 1930s/early 1940s as well. Awwwwww :rolleyes:
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
In an Internet statement, al-Qaida in Iraq linked the blasts at the Grand Hyatt, the Radisson SAS and the Days Inn hotels to the war in Iraq and called Amman the "backyard garden" for U.S. operations.

You're welcome.

Oh, so it was Bush that killed the Jordanians. Got it.
 
DawnCt1 said:
You have a problem killing people who are out to kill the rest of us?? :confused3

My post was in response to your claim that White Phosphorous was not 'weaponized'. I offered no opinion on its propriety.

Here's my opinion. If the cost of killing an 'insurgent' is the lives of x civilians, I have a problem with it.

For you math buffs:
i=insurgents
c=civilians
n= a whole number

i + nc = death of insugent
If n>0, cost of action is too great.
 
That is magnanimous for the Kurds to thank us, especially given our history with them, that I would guess that about 0 of the cons on this thread are even tangentially aware of, not to mention the fact that we have come close to selling them out (hint) in the Constititutional process.

In any event, I agree that one of the more compelling arguments for remaining is that we owe it to the Kurds to protect them, esp. given our past transgression, which is what I suspect the point of the ad is
 
DawnCt1 said:
I think you can do your own search. Its long been speculated.
And always debunked. It's hokum put out to ally the true believers. And as shown here, it works
 
BunsenH said:
My post was in response to your claim that White Phosphorous was not 'weaponized'. I offered no opinion on its propriety.

Dawn posted wrong information, and then tried to change the subject when corrected... shocking. :rotfl2:
 
2061 + wounded. 2061 families, spouses, sons, daughters....

By the way, were is Bin Laden?

And, the war in Iraq, resulted in bombings in Spain, Bali, Jordan, etc. The bombings are the result of the war, the war is not the result of the bombings. Thanks George! We are now safer than before, I feel it!

And, to some earlier posts, the best way to support our troops, is to get them home. If that takes non-support of the war, so be it.

Patriot-One who loves supports and defends one's country. How does fighting in Iraq, who never attacked us, did not have plans to attack us, could not attack us, be patriotic? I think it is more patriotic to question this administration, stand up in opposition to it, in defense of this country, and this country's ideals, than it is to simply follow the orders of this president, risk death, for a war that was brought about by this administration's desires to take over Iraq. Of course, the plans to invade Iraq were on the table before 911. Simply allowing 1984 to come to reality is not patriotic, although the brainwashed think it is.

Re: the op, the ad is simply a finanical commercial, produced by a company who has strong ties to international finacial markets/business/politics. It is about as far away from the Kurds as is London from Iraq....Oh, wait, it is from London
 
bubie2.5 said:
The world did not believe it, in fact if you remember the polls, more than 90% of the population of the European countries that DID sent troops to Irak, were agaist the war.

And what fire is France putting out now. Perhaps there was "another" reason they chose not to believe it.
 
dennis99ss said:
2061 + wounded. 2061 families, spouses, sons, daughters....

By the way, were is Bin Laden?

And, the war in Iraq, resulted in bombings in Spain, Bali, Jordan, etc. The bombings are the result of the war, the war is not the result of the bombings. Thanks George! We are now safer than before, I feel it!

And, to some earlier posts, the best way to support our troops, is to get them home. If that takes non-support of the war, so be it.

Patriot-One who loves supports and defends one's country. How does fighting in Iraq, who never attacked us, did not have plans to attack us, could not attack us, be patriotic? I think it is more patriotic to question this administration, stand up in opposition to it, in defense of this country, and this country's ideals, than it is to simply follow the orders of this president, risk death, for a war that was brought about by this administration's desires to take over Iraq. Of course, the plans to invade Iraq were on the table before 911. Simply allowing 1984 to come to reality is not patriotic, although the brainwashed think it is.

Re: the op, the ad is simply a finanical commercial, produced by a company who has strong ties to international finacial markets/business/politics. It is about as far away from the Kurds as is London from Iraq....Oh, wait, it is from London


If you think that that the Islamofascists will all vanish if and when Bin Laden is captured, you are sadly mistaken. The answer to the cancer that has permeated the middle east and has spread through Indonesia, and through out the rest of the world is a democracy in the middle of the rats' nest. The Sudan offered Bin Ladin to Bill Clinton twice and he didn't want to touch thatl hot potato for fear of affecting his ratings and opening his Pandora Box. Why aren't you inflamed about that? Don't forget about the first World Trade Center, the Embassies in Africa, the Kobar Towers, the Cole...all those attacks that we "effectively ignored" except with "outraged rhetoric". To assert tha Iraq never attacked us, I don't know what you would call firing on our planes almost daily in the "no fly" zone. When you fire on American aircraft, interests, personnel and property, that is an attack.
 
DawnCt1 said:
And what fire is France putting out now. Perhaps there was "another" reason they chose not to believe it.
Maybe they didn't believe it because it wasn't true. Does truth matter?
 
Charade said:
Oh, so it was Bush that killed the Jordanians. Got it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

If you look at my only 2 posts about Jordan, #116 & 118, I didn't once mention the President. That's what's so sad about you guys!! If countered with something you can't debate, you put words in people's mouths and argue your fairytale version of what was said.

Unfortunately for your arguement, a 3rd grader could page back through the thread to see what I really said, but hey...don't let me stand in the way of you Righties patting yourselves on the back and popping the champagne for another incredibly successful day in Iraq, while another one of our allies gets torched!
 
sodaseller said:
That is magnanimous for the Kurds to thank us, especially given our history with them, that I would guess that about 0 of the cons on this thread are even tangentially aware of, not to mention the fact that we have come close to selling them out (hint) in the Constititutional process.

In any event, I agree that one of the more compelling arguments for remaining is that we owe it to the Kurds to protect them, esp. given our past transgression, which is what I suspect the point of the ad is

Not compelling enough. I think we might owe them our continued support, but not continued protection.
 
Off topic, and yet, very much on...wouldn't it be ironic if Hillary Clinton ran on the platform of bring honor and integrity back to the White House?!?!?! Who you got, girls...Harriet Meirs or Bill "stem cell research" Frist!?!?
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
Off topic, and yet, very much on...wouldn't it be ironic if Hillary Clinton ran on the platform of bring honor and integrity back to the White House?!?!?! Who you got, girls...Harriet Meirs or Bill "stem cell research" Frist!?!?

Oh, Laugh O. Grams, I think you just opened Pandoras box! :eek:
 
Teejay32 said:
Not compelling enough. I think we might owe them our continued support, but not continued protection.
That's a fair point that I vacillate on. My argument is not my own, but was made more forcibly by Peter Beinart over a year ago here
Why single out the Kurds? First, because no group in Iraq has suffered so many U.S. betrayals. In 1975, Henry Kissinger helped Baghdad and Tehran resolve a long-standing border dispute. As part of the deal, the United States and Iran suddenly withdrew their backing for the Kurdish rebels in Iraq. The rebels were crushed, and tens of thousands of civilians fled across the border. Thirteen years later, the horrors had only increased, with Saddam Hussein murdering roughly 100,000 Kurds in his ghastly "Anfal" campaign. When Senator Claiborne Pell tried to impose sanctions on Iraq in 1988, the Reagan administration scuttled his legislation. And, when George H.W. Bush took office the following year, he doubled U.S. agricultural loans to Baghdad--money Saddam partially diverted to his military. Finally, at the close of the Gulf war in 1991, Bush famously called on Iraqis to rise up, only to watch as Saddam butchered them by the tens of thousands. Most of those killed were Arab Shia, but more than a million terrified Kurds became refugees again, escaping into Turkey or Iran.



The second reason we owe a special obligation to the Kurds is that, in the rest of Iraq, we are trying (with great difficulty) to build a democracy. In Kurdistan, we are protecting one that already exists. It's a lot easier to advocate withdrawal if you suspect Iraqis don't really want Western-style democracy anyway. But, in the Kurdish north, they want it with a vengeance. The two major Kurdish parties are both, by Middle Eastern standards, secular and liberal. Protected from Saddam by a no-fly zone, they contested a free election in 1992 and today co-exist peacefully in a regional parliament. That parliament has voted to punish honor killings and disregard aspects of the Iraqi transitional law that undermine women's rights. As Barham Saleh, prime minister of Eastern Kurdistan, recently told The Wall Street Journal, "If Iraq turns into an Islamic state, or an [Arab] nationalist state, we'll have no way to accept such a country."

It is hardly a coincidence, then, that the Kurds don't want the United States to leave. One of the key arguments for withdrawal is that the Iraqis are demanding it. But, while a February ABC News poll found that 60 percent of Arab Iraqis opposed the U.S. military presence, only 12 percent of Kurds did. Indeed, 82 percent of Kurds wanted us to stay.
 


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