Hillary Supporters unite part 2; no bashing please

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For those that missed the public apology in their bashing:

"Earlier today I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns that both my husband and Senator Kennedy waged in California in June 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That's a historic fact. The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy and I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, and particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that, whatsoever. My view is that we have to look to the past and to our leaders who have inspired us and give us a lot to live up to, and I'm honored to hold Senator Kennedy's seat in the United States Senate from the state of New York and have the highest regard for the entire Kennedy family."

And those of you trying to tear apart the words of her apology and turn that into something they're not - you're just in the wrong. She honestly regretted how she phrased her words - they came out wrong - and she does not wish harm to Senator Obama. We're all supposed to be adults here, I can't believe that this is what this election is turning into: falsely accusing Hillary of wishing assignation to Obama so that she can get the Democratic nom...:sad2: This statement had nothing to do with Obama At.All.

The Argus Leader’s Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:

“The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself.”
 
With the talk of RFK and what Huckabee said,It makes you think. I really hope nothing bad happens to either of them. the scary part is no matter if Obama gets elected or Hillary, both are ground breaking and possible targets for haters and really bad people.
 
Hillary mispoke badly and she deserves strong criticism for it IMO. The bit about her wanting Obama to die is silly though, I agree with that.

I do have to wonder what she was thinking though. One has to be so careful in these elections and this is just the kind of place you don't want to go to.
 
With the talk of RFK and what Huckabee said,It makes you think. I really hope nothing bad happens to either of them. the scary part is no matter if Obama gets elected or Hillary, both are ground breaking and possible targets for haters and really bad people.
I was thinking about that myself before all of this happened. There's been some threads around lately about racists and the thought of what a wacky version of that kind of person could do just chills me. I hope that we're way beyond that kind of thing. :sad1:
 

I'm an OS and I haven't posted here, but I feel compelled to do so, reading so many say that OS make them not want to vote for him.

Standing where I stand, of course I believe he's the better person to be president - just as HS believe Hillary is. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and everyone has different reasons for them. Deep, important, strongly-felt reasons. We're not so very different. I truly believe that dragging each other down and infighting is devastating for the Democratic party, and exactly what conservatives want right now and for the fall. You won't catch me saying a nasty word about a Hillary supporter - we're all people, and we all deserve respect. Each of us feels so strongly and so personally about our choice, and it's hurtful to tell someone else that their deepest feelings are wrong, or worse. Many of us (myself included) have put in a lot of hours volunteering and helping with our respective candidate's campaign. I think we *all* have to be so careful not to use the anonymity of the internet to say something we wouldn't say in person. As a young Democrat, the discovery of these threads and some of the comments has been heartbreaking to me.

The race is not over yet, but it will be soon. And I pray that if Obama is the nominee, that HS will *not* make their decision about whom to vote for based on OS who may have rubbed them the wrong way. As with any vote, it will call for soul-searching and a determination of what each person believes to be best for our country. You may decide that it's important to have a Democrat and vote for Barack (or Hillary, should the current situation change). Perhaps you're a moderate Democrat and will swing McCain. Maybe you really dislike both and will stay home, and I hope if you do, you'll be content whatever the outcome. But please don't let anyone else help make that decision for you, except the candidates and yourself and your own in-depth research. Don't let anyone else take up space in your brain for free and poke you with a stick, or distract you from what will matter this fall. You're not electing OS, just as I wouldn't be electing the HS - and representatives from both sides have said hurtful things about each other on these threads, so that's a good thing. :)

I've liked Obama from the beginning, but I've also made up my mind from the beginning (especially when he wasn't doing so well) that it was important enough to me personally to have a Democrat that I would vote for her, even if I liked him better. That's not lip-service - it was something that I knew I personally would have to do in order to elect someone who I agreed with on the issues that matter to me. I realized that in most years, I don't love any of the candidates, so I just vote for the one that most closely aligns with me on the issues. This year I'm fortunate enough to have two candidates who are fantastic (to me) on the issues, and I've been saddled with the lucky choice of just picking who I like best based on personality, etc. While Obama won that contest with me, I know honestly within myself that if it came down to it, I'd be okay with seeing her in the White House (again) - it's an easy choice to me when it comes down to voting for McCain, who I disagree with on most issues, or "staying home" from voting, which is not an option for me because I want some ownership in who is elected and I want to prevent a non-Democrat from being elected. Depending on how the Rules Committee meeting and the superdelegate breakdown goes, I may well need to vote for her yet, and I would do so if necessary.

I know how easy it is to get swept up in these personal arguments. When Bill Clinton visited my town, I went to the town hall meeting despite knowing who I wanted to vote for. I live in a small town and I've never seen him, so I knew it would be historic to see a former president. While in line, I heard a woman say "I just don't know why people won't vote for her. If they vote for him instead of her, they're just sexist, plain and simple." As a female and a feminist living in a very white community, my immediate thought (which I almost shared with her), was "Well, by your logic, if you vote for her and not him, does that make you racist?" I caught myself in time and realized that it's not the point, and me poking her back would do no one any good. Clearly (most) of us who chose to vote for her and not him are not racist and (most) who chose to vote for him and not her are not sexist, and the knee-jerk reaction from me would be unnecessary and snarky. The American people deserve more credit than that - most of us have put immeasurable thought into our candidates, and it cannot be boiled down like that. Further, I refused to let this woman that I didn't know stir me up and impact my opinion of someone that I might need to vote for. It's not worth it. I'm not voting for that random woman in the crowd or some random person online, and they aren't representatives of Hillary any more than I'm a representative of Obama. Life is too short to dwell on so much negativity, especially amongst people who are really so similar.

I want to say that I have nothing against HS and I hope you all have nothing against me. As a 24 year old woman, I'm witnessing something that I never thought I'd witness in my lifetime, and it's been a spectacular event for me, as I know it's been for so many of you. She is an incredible woman who is breaking barriers that I never thought I'd see, and I'm thankful for that. If Obama does end up winning, and you do decide to vote for him in the fall, I reach out my hand to you and would like to reunite with you as Democrats, not just HS or OS. I know that both Hillary and Obama, should either lose, would want us to unite behind the nominee for the good of the party, rather than fight amongst ourselves and lose to McCain. We can't elect a Democrat divided, and if that's your end goal, I'm excited to see record numbers of people working toward it everywhere - this could be an amazing general election! If your end goal is different than mine, I wish you nothing but good will and luck (but not too much luck, he he) in the fall. :) :hippie:
 
I was thinking about that myself before all of this happened. There's been some threads around lately about racists and the thought of what a wacky version of that kind of person could do just chills me. I hope that we're way beyond that kind of thing. :sad1:

I hope so too, but they have to both no they could be targets. They are both putting everything on the line to run this county. That has to say something possitive about both of them.
 
I'm an OS and I haven't posted here, but I feel compelled to do so, reading so many say that OS make them not want to vote for him.

Standing where I stand, of course I believe he's the better person to be president - just as HS believe Hillary is. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and everyone has different reasons for them. Deep, important, strongly-felt reasons. We're not so very different. I truly believe that dragging each other down and infighting is devastating for the Democratic party, and exactly what conservatives want right now and for the fall. You won't catch me saying a nasty word about a Hillary supporter - we're all people, and we all deserve respect. Each of us feels so strongly and so personally about our choice, and it's hurtful to tell someone else that their deepest feelings are wrong, or worse. Many of us (myself included) have put in a lot of hours volunteering and helping with our respective candidate's campaign. I think we *all* have to be so careful not to use the anonymity of the internet to say something we wouldn't say in person. As a young Democrat, the discovery of these threads and some of the comments has been heartbreaking to me.

The race is not over yet, but it will be soon. And I pray that if Obama is the nominee, that HS will *not* make their decision about whom to vote for based on OS who may have rubbed them the wrong way. As with any vote, it will call for soul-searching and a determination of what each person believes to be best for our country. You may decide that it's important to have a Democrat and vote for Barack (or Hillary, should the current situation change). Perhaps you're a moderate Democrat and will swing McCain. Maybe you really dislike both and will stay home, and I hope if you do, you'll be content whatever the outcome. But please don't let anyone else help make that decision for you, except the candidates and yourself and your own in-depth research. Don't let anyone else take up space in your brain for free and poke you with a stick, or distract you from what will matter this fall. You're not electing OS, just as I wouldn't be electing the HS - and representatives from both sides have said hurtful things about each other on these threads, so that's a good thing. :)

I've liked Obama from the beginning, but I've also made up my mind from the beginning (especially when he wasn't doing so well) that it was important enough to me personally to have a Democrat that I would vote for her, even if I liked him better. That's not lip-service - it was something that I knew I personally would have to do in order to elect someone who I agreed with on the issues that matter to me. I realized that in most years, I don't love any of the candidates, so I just vote for the one that most closely aligns with me on the issues. This year I'm fortunate enough to have two candidates who are fantastic (to me) on the issues, and I've been saddled with the lucky choice of just picking who I like best based on personality, etc. While Obama won that contest with me, I know honestly within myself that if it came down to it, I'd be okay with seeing her in the White House (again) - it's an easy choice to me when it comes down to voting for McCain, who I disagree with on most issues, or "staying home" from voting, which is not an option for me because I want some ownership in who is elected and I want to prevent a non-Democrat from being elected. Depending on how the Rules Committee meeting and the superdelegate breakdown goes, I may well need to vote for her yet, and I would do so if necessary.

I know how easy it is to get swept up in these personal arguments. When Bill Clinton visited my town, I went to the town hall meeting despite knowing who I wanted to vote for. I live in a small town and I've never seen him, so I knew it would be historic to see a former president. While in line, I heard a woman say "I just don't know why people won't vote for her. If they vote for him instead of her, they're just sexist, plain and simple." As a female and a feminist living in a very white community, my immediate thought (which I almost shared with her), was "Well, by your logic, if you vote for her and not him, does that make you racist?" I caught myself in time and realized that it's not the point, and me poking her back would do no one any good. Clearly (most) of us who chose to vote for her and not him are not racist and (most) who chose to vote for him and not her are not sexist, and the knee-jerk reaction from me would be unnecessary and snarky. The American people deserve more credit than that - most of us have put immeasurable thought into our candidates, and it cannot be boiled down like that. Further, I refused to let this woman that I didn't know stir me up and impact my opinion of someone that I might need to vote for. It's not worth it. I'm not voting for that random woman in the crowd or some random person online, and they aren't representatives of Hillary any more than I'm a representative of Obama. Life is too short to dwell on so much negativity, especially amongst people who are really so similar.

I want to say that I have nothing against HS and I hope you all have nothing against me. As a 24 year old woman, I'm witnessing something that I never thought I'd witness in my lifetime, and it's been a spectacular event for me, as I know it's been for so many of you. She is an incredible woman who is breaking barriers that I never thought I'd see, and I'm thankful for that. If Obama does end up winning, and you do decide to vote for him in the fall, I reach out my hand to you and would like to reunite with you as Democrats, not just HS or OS. I know that both Hillary and Obama, should either lose, would want us to unite behind the nominee for the good of the party, rather than fight amongst ourselves and lose to McCain. We can't elect a Democrat divided, and if that's your end goal, I'm excited to see record numbers of people working toward it everywhere - this could be an amazing general election! If your end goal is different than mine, I wish you nothing but good will and luck (but not too much luck, he he) in the fall. :) :hippie:
Amazing post! :thumbsup2

I agree wholeheartedly with you (except the candidate preference :lmao: ) and only wish that I could say it as well.
 
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I'm an OS and I haven't posted here, but I feel compelled to do so, reading so many say that OS make them not want to vote for him.

Standing where I stand, of course I believe he's the better person to be president - just as HS believe Hillary is. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and everyone has different reasons for them. Deep, important, strongly-felt reasons. We're not so very different. I truly believe that dragging each other down and infighting is devastating for the Democratic party, and exactly what conservatives want right now and for the fall. You won't catch me saying a nasty word about a Hillary supporter - we're all people, and we all deserve respect. Each of us feels so strongly and so personally about our choice, and it's hurtful to tell someone else that their deepest feelings are wrong, or worse. Many of us (myself included) have put in a lot of hours volunteering and helping with our respective candidate's campaign. I think we *all* have to be so careful not to use the anonymity of the internet to say something we wouldn't say in person. As a young Democrat, the discovery of these threads and some of the comments has been heartbreaking to me.

The race is not over yet, but it will be soon. And I pray that if Obama is the nominee, that HS will *not* make their decision about whom to vote for based on OS who may have rubbed them the wrong way. As with any vote, it will call for soul-searching and a determination of what each person believes to be best for our country. You may decide that it's important to have a Democrat and vote for Barack (or Hillary, should the current situation change). Perhaps you're a moderate Democrat and will swing McCain. Maybe you really dislike both and will stay home, and I hope if you do, you'll be content whatever the outcome. But please don't let anyone else help make that decision for you, except the candidates and yourself and your own in-depth research. Don't let anyone else take up space in your brain for free and poke you with a stick, or distract you from what will matter this fall. You're not electing OS, just as I wouldn't be electing the HS - and representatives from both sides have said hurtful things about each other on these threads, so that's a good thing. :)

I've liked Obama from the beginning, but I've also made up my mind from the beginning (especially when he wasn't doing so well) that it was important enough to me personally to have a Democrat that I would vote for her, even if I liked him better. That's not lip-service - it was something that I knew I personally would have to do in order to elect someone who I agreed with on the issues that matter to me. I realized that in most years, I don't love any of the candidates, so I just vote for the one that most closely aligns with me on the issues. This year I'm fortunate enough to have two candidates who are fantastic (to me) on the issues, and I've been saddled with the lucky choice of just picking who I like best based on personality, etc. While Obama won that contest with me, I know honestly within myself that if it came down to it, I'd be okay with seeing her in the White House (again) - it's an easy choice to me when it comes down to voting for McCain, who I disagree with on most issues, or "staying home" from voting, which is not an option for me because I want some ownership in who is elected and I want to prevent a non-Democrat from being elected. Depending on how the Rules Committee meeting and the superdelegate breakdown goes, I may well need to vote for her yet, and I would do so if necessary.

I know how easy it is to get swept up in these personal arguments. When Bill Clinton visited my town, I went to the town hall meeting despite knowing who I wanted to vote for. I live in a small town and I've never seen him, so I knew it would be historic to see a former president. While in line, I heard a woman say "I just don't know why people won't vote for her. If they vote for him instead of her, they're just sexist, plain and simple." As a female and a feminist living in a very white community, my immediate thought (which I almost shared with her), was "Well, by your logic, if you vote for her and not him, does that make you racist?" I caught myself in time and realized that it's not the point, and me poking her back would do no one any good. Clearly (most) of us who chose to vote for her and not him are not racist and (most) who chose to vote for him and not her are not sexist, and the knee-jerk reaction from me would be unnecessary and snarky. The American people deserve more credit than that - most of us have put immeasurable thought into our candidates, and it cannot be boiled down like that. Further, I refused to let this woman that I didn't know stir me up and impact my opinion of someone that I might need to vote for. It's not worth it. I'm not voting for that random woman in the crowd or some random person online, and they aren't representatives of Hillary any more than I'm a representative of Obama. Life is too short to dwell on so much negativity, especially amongst people who are really so similar.

I want to say that I have nothing against HS and I hope you all have nothing against me. As a 24 year old woman, I'm witnessing something that I never thought I'd witness in my lifetime, and it's been a spectacular event for me, as I know it's been for so many of you. She is an incredible woman who is breaking barriers that I never thought I'd see, and I'm thankful for that. If Obama does end up winning, and you do decide to vote for him in the fall, I reach out my hand to you and would like to reunite with you as Democrats, not just HS or OS. I know that both Hillary and Obama, should either lose, would want us to unite behind the nominee for the good of the party, rather than fight amongst ourselves and lose to McCain. We can't elect a Democrat divided, and if that's your end goal, I'm excited to see record numbers of people working toward it everywhere - this could be an amazing general election! If your end goal is different than mine, I wish you nothing but good will and luck (but not too much luck, he he) in the fall. :) :hippie:

Thank you for the amazing post.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and everyone has different reasons for them. Deep, important, strongly-felt reasons. We're not so very different. I truly believe that dragging each other down and infighting is devastating for the Democratic party, and exactly what conservatives want right now and for the fall. You won't catch me saying a nasty word about a Hillary supporter - we're all people, and we all deserve respect. Each of us feels so strongly and so personally about our choice, and it's hurtful to tell someone else that their deepest feelings are wrong, or worse. Many of us (myself included) have put in a lot of hours volunteering and helping with our respective candidate's campaign.

Thank you phragmipedium! That was an exception post! If everyone approached the situation with as much respect and understanding as you in this particular paragraph, then I don't believe we'd be so fractured.
 
Hillary mispoke badly and she deserves strong criticism for it IMO. The bit about her wanting Obama to die is silly though, I agree with that.

I do have to wonder what she was thinking though. One has to be so careful in these elections and this is just the kind of place you don't want to go to.

She was thinking about how far in the Democratic Primary RFK was still in the race before his assignation. Her point wasn’t on the assignation itself but rather the timeline of how the election was running that year.

The assignation was in June.
The Primaries were in June.
RFK was still in the race at the time of his assignation.

Now, I wasn’t alive back then but I will assume that RFK’s assignation overshadowed the Democratic Convention of 1968.

Hillary is tired and answering questions and thoughts are racing through her head and as she’s answering she makes references to a huge tragic event that occurred to the man she’s thinking about (because someone’s assignation is a big deal and it was probably sticking out in her mind as she was trying to formulate her words) instead of referencing the actual point she’s attempting to make.

I’ve done the same thing. Obviously not about RFK, his assignation, and the 1968 primary, but I’ve had many thoughts forming in my head before as I was speaking with someone. Trying to illustrate a point and I’ve accidentally referenced something tangent to the subject I was speaking about as it stuck out more in my mind instead of referencing the actual point that I was trying to make. I realized my mistake, I correct, I move on.

People are not wanting to let Hillary move on.
 
Thank you, all, for reading my post with an open mind and heart. I thought long and hard about posting, and appreciate your thoughts.
 
She was thinking about how far in the Democratic Primary RFK was still in the race before his assignation. Her point wasn’t on the assignation itself but rather the timeline of how the election was running that year.

The assignation was in June.
The Primaries were in June.
RFK was still in the race at the time of his assignation.

Now, I wasn’t alive back then but I will assume that RFK’s assignation overshadowed the Democratic Convention of 1968.

Hillary is tired and answering questions and thoughts are racing through her head and as she’s answering she makes references to a huge tragic event that occurred to the man she’s thinking about (because someone’s assignation is a big deal and it was probably sticking out in her mind as she was trying to formulate her words) instead of referencing the actual point she’s attempting to make.

I’ve done the same thing. Obviously not about RFK, his assignation, and the 1968 primary, but I’ve had many thoughts forming in my head before as I was speaking with someone. Trying to illustrate a point and I’ve accidentally referenced something tangent to the subject I was speaking about as it stuck out more in my mind instead of referencing the actual point that I was trying to make. I realized my mistake, I correct, I move on.

People are not wanting to let Hillary move on.
I know it's not as major as many of them are making it. I'm just surprised that she didn't realize that it could cause so much fuss. I guess it is likely the exhaustion that caused her mispeak.
 
I feel the same way. The Obama supporters are really turning me away from Obama too. They are doing more harm then good.

Let's not forget that some people hate/fear a strong and intelligent black man, you know:angel:

Come November they will need all the HS they can get....if they think they can do it without us they are more out of touch than I imagined. the OS seem to get awfully bored in there sand box that they always have to come into ours....guess were more fun:rotfl2:
 
Let's not forget that some people hate/fear a strong and intelligent black man, you know:angel:

True,

If a strong and intelligent black man was running for President I would vote for him.

Sorry, I just don't see "Strong and intelligent" with Obama.
 
True,

If a strong and intelligent black man was running for President I would vote for him.

Sorry, I just don't see "Strong and intelligent" with Obama.

:rotfl2: Amen sistah.

I wish Ron Kirk had won his senate bid. I worked on his campaign and he would have been fabulous, by now he probably would have been running for prez.
 
True,

If a strong and intelligent black man was running for President I would vote for him.

Sorry, I just don't see "Strong and intelligent" with Obama.
I don't know about that. I think that Obama is pretty intelligent, I'm not sure how much just yet because I'm still learning about him. Same with his strength but I don't really know how to judge that. Of course YMMV.

Hillary is definitely smarter though, even when she doesn't act like it. ;)
 
Hi folks.

Just wanted to stop in and say thanks for those well wishes and prayers.

My Mom passed away last night.

Please remember that there's more to life than this political fight we have going on here.......
 
Hi folks.

Just wanted to stop in and say thanks for those well wishes and prayers.

My Mom passed away last night.

Please remember that there's more to life than this political fight we have going on here.......

I am so sorry. :hug: My thoughts and prayers will continue to be with you and your family.
 
True,

If a strong and intelligent black man was running for President I would vote for him.

Sorry, I just don't see "Strong and intelligent" with Obama.

Maybe you'd like him better if he was eatin watermellon and fried chicken?

This from people who see Hillary as strong because she stood by her cheatin husband. Great.
 
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