Hillary supporters Unit #3 ..yes we are still here!

["Got Disney"]

wow seems that there has been lots going on here today I agree with so much that has been posted today. As for Palin...I could take her or leave her. The only thing at this point that I can say I agree with her is on off shore drilling. She has not really said much about trying to make her beliefs ours. So not sure how she stands on those issues.

As for McCain when he talks I am more relaxed than when Obama talks...and when Obama talks I get all.... I think that it is because I feel as a DEM he has let me down in so many ways and that he is such a hypocrite IMO. I keep waiting for him to stop blaming McCain for doing the same thing that he keeps doing and acting as if it's okay for him to do it because he is Obama....

It really bothers me that when he talks to people he holds his head/nose up...makes him seem pompous.

I can't wait for the debates. That will help me alot. I need to put aside the DEM/REP part and just try to separate that from my decision. As I have mentioned I do reside more moderate with a lean top the left.

Part of me just wants to see Obama get the win and see him fall on his face...that is the selfish me..the logical me says if he wins I hope he does a great job and proves all of us wrong.

So do you think Hillary wants him to win or not? I think not. But her DEM side cant help herself and hopes he does....her personal side ....no way.

Her speech said it all to me last night.....she was not to excited about helping Obama....but was doing her duty. She is also very tired you can tell and she has had enough of helping help someone win that she feels in her heart is wrong for the position.

 

[moon]

Dolce, this is still the HS thread. We have been invaded by OS since the start and it has never deterred us. I hope your post was written in the heat of the moment and you stay

 

[Dolce27]

Granted, the ebay thing was uncalled for. But now your getting into which campaign is "nastier?" Sounds like there is plenty of "nasty" to go around.





Seriously, you to classify 90% of the Obama supporters as "nasty"...I wonder what percentage of McCain supporters you classify as falling into that category?

I'm voting to protect the Supreme Court. I voted Hillary in the primary, I voted Hillary at our caucus, and was a Hillary delegate at our county convention. I seriously doubt Hillary would want McCain (or worse Palin) to have the ability to replace the few remaining, aging, somewhat liberal judges left on the Supreme Court.

I would never classify 90% of any candidates supporters as "nasty" because a fringe group posted something on ebay. I feel sorry for someone who feels 90% of Democratic voters feel that way, especially when a large number of them supported Hillary. Remember that Hillary had a lot of supporters that are voting for Obama, because we voted for Hillary based on her being the best candidate, and for her political philosophy and believes, not her gender. About the only thing Hillary has in common with Palin is her gender. Politically and philosophically they are polar opposites.

I don't base my opinion on one instance. And I don't like Palin for her 'gender'. Since you weren't around a lot on this thread during the primaries, you obviously don't know that my overall stances on issues lean more right than left - which I've freely pointed out - so I don't have as much of a problem with her as hardcore liberals do. I voted for Hillary on two key issues: the war and the economy. I honestly trust her, out of the three, to be the best for our country at this time. If she were the Dem nominee, I'd be voting for her over McCain - even with Palin. However, she's not. Also, out of McCain and Obama, I feel that McCain would be best for our country overall than Obama so that's where my vote will be going.

And, yes, I’m classifying 90% as nasty. The majority of this year I’ve had to put up with hate from the OS. I’ve had to read hate after hate across the internet from the OS. I’m sick of it. I honestly have a negative opinion of anyone voting for Obama because of all the hate and nastiness I’ve both witnessed and experienced this election.

 

[moon]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27478558]
So do you think Hillary wants him to win or not? I think not. But her DEM side cant help herself and hopes he does....her personal side ....no way.

Her speech said it all to me last night.....she was not to excited about helping Obama....but was doing her duty. She is also very tired you can tell and she has had enough of helping help someone win that she feels in her heart is wrong for the position.[/QUOTE]

I think that for Hillary as for many of us Palin's pick changed the game. I really feel that if McCain wins, Sara Palin will become the first woman president. Either because JmC can't finish his term for whatever reason, or because she's pushed by the Rove machine to give that honor to the Republican party.

Hillary must be exhausted. She hasn't had time to mourn her loss. She hasn't been given the opportunity to be alone to assimilate it. This must be terrible for her. At the same time I bet she's as worried as most democrats to have Palin just a heatbeat away from the Presidency. Not only because of what it would mean to her personally, but because of what it would mean to the nation. Palin is the total opposite of Hillary, so I just can't see Hillary wating to have someone like that in power. I really feel for her.

 

["Got Disney"]

The DEM party has sunk to an all time low IMO.....as for the REP party...they are not my base so there sinking low does not effect me the same way.

 

[Dolce27]

Dolce, this is still the HS thread. We have been invaded by OS since the start and it has never deterred us. I hope your post was written in the heat of the moment and you stay

I know, I'm sorry to be going off tonight but I'm sick of this. Yes, we've been invaded by the OS since the start and it's finally wearing me down. Since Hillary is no longer in the running and I can't vote for Obama and several of the HS on here are voting for Obama, maybe I should leave this thread. I just can't vote for a man who's done everything I’ve listed on here before …. and more that I haven’t listed.

 

["Got Disney"]

I think that for Hillary as for many of us Palin's pick changed the game. I really feel that if McCain wins, Sara Palin will become the first woman president. Either because JmC can't finish his term for whatever reason, or because she's pushed by the Rove machine to give that honor to the Republican party.

Hillary must be exhausted. She hasn't had time to mourn her loss. She hasn't been given the opportunity to be alone to assimilate it. This must be terrible for her. At the same time I bet she's as worried as most democrats to have Palin just a heatbeat away from the Presidency. Not only because of what it would mean to her personally, but because of what it would mean to the nation. Palin is the total opposite of Hillary, so I just can't see Hillary wating to have someone like that in power. I really feel for her.

Ya know the DEM party gave nothing to her...they insulted her by not stoping all the Gender remarks from the media. They did everything they could to pave the way for Obama. With Obama they were there to stop Racial remarks and anything that came up against him. It was clear from the beggining that Dean and Pelosi were biased.

The whole thing was such a fiasco. Even now they are using her...and she knows it.

 

["Got Disney"]

I know, I'm sorry to be going off tonight but I'm sick of this. Yes, we've been invaded by the OS since the start and it's finally wearing me down. Since Hillary is no longer in the running and I can't vote for Obama and several of the HS on here are voting for Obama, maybe I should leave this thread. I just can't vote for a man who's done everything I’ve listed on here before …. and more that I haven’t listed.

But I'm here and will most likely vote for McCain and if I dont I will just write in Hillary's name ...so we have each other...and even though some will be voting for Obama they are still HS and they dont hate us for our decision....the OS do but who cares about them anyway

 

[Planogirl]

I know, I'm sorry to be going off tonight but I'm sick of this. Yes, we've been invaded by the OS since the start and it's finally wearing me down. Since Hillary is no longer in the running and I can't vote for Obama and several of the HS on here are voting for Obama, maybe I should leave this thread. I just can't vote for a man who's done everything I’ve listed on here before …. and more that I haven’t listed.

You might just need a break? I needed one right in the middle of the Hillary/Obama turmoil and it helped a lot. If you do decide to go, I hope that it's just a break you need.

The baby on ebay thing is ridiculous. I wondered what kind of OS idiot would come up with something like that and then I wondered if a McCain supporter (MS?) might have actually done that to make Obama look bad. This election is so sleazy that nothing would surprise me.

Hillary will be around and that's important. Whether she works as a senator or does something else, she'll be around doing the right thing IMO. And who knows, maybe she'll run again.

 

[moon]

I know, I'm sorry to be going off tonight but I'm sick of this. Yes, we've been invaded by the OS since the start and it's finally wearing me down. Since Hillary is no longer in the running and I can't vote for Obama and several of the HS on here are voting for Obama, maybe I should leave this thread. I just can't vote for a man who's done everything I’ve listed on here before …. and more that I haven’t listed.

Yes, I realise that each one of us has to make choices, and these choices will in many cases clash....in fact I find it amazing that this thread has lasted as long as it has. I hope it will last for a while lonnger.

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27478693]Ya know the DEM party gave nothing to her...they insulted her by not stoping all the Gender remarks from the media. They did everything they could to pave the way for Obama. With Obama they were there to stop Racial remarks and anything that came up against him. It was clear from the beggining that Dean and Pelosi were biased.

The whole thing was such a fiasco. Even now they are using her...and she knows it. [/QUOTE]

Yes, she knows it, and she still allows it. I truly believed her when she said she wanted to help. She could easily just say "the heck with this" and just walk away. But she's sticking it out.

 

["Got Disney"]

Hillary will be around and that's important. Whether she works as a senator or does something else, she'll be around doing the right thing IMO. And who knows, maybe she'll run again.

Yes, she knows it, and she still allows it. I truly believed her when she said she wanted to help. She could easily just say "the heck with this" and just walk away. But she's sticking it out.

She had no choice. If she deserted the party there would be no chance of a win when she runs. She has to feed the party and play nice or else.

 

[Chuck S]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";27478693]Even now they are using her...and she knows it. [/QUOTE]

One of my elementary school teachers said something that has stuck with me all these years. "No one can use you, unless you let them. No one can make you do something you don't want to do."

Do I think Hillary believes Obama is a great choice, nope, not at all. But I do think she sees the whole picture, that there is much more at stake in this election than an average Presidential election, including the Supreme Court. That court will influence the rights of Americans for years after Obama or McCain are out of office. They will rule on some interesting cases, including the mixing of church and state, because they will be ruling on the IRS' ability to pull the tax exemption if a church crosses the line. I'm sure Roe v Wade will be reintroduced. Same sex rights will likely come before them, as well.

There is also the war and economy, which I don't think either parties candidates have a firm grasp on any solutions. We know Hilarry had an advantage there. I think Obama was stupid not to make Hillary his VP, but I still think the other issues are important enough to vote for him over McCain.

 

[Planogirl]

One of my elementary school teachers said something that has stuck with me all these years. "No one can use you, unless you let them. No one can make you do something you don't want to do."

Do I think Hillary believes Obama is a great choice, nope, not at all. But I do think she sees the whole picture, that there is much more at stake in this election than an average Presidential election, including the Supreme Court. That court will influence the rights of Americans for years after Obama or McCain are out of office. They will rule on some interesting cases, including the mixing of church and state, because they will be ruling on the IRS' ability to pull the tax exemption if a church crosses the line. I'm sure Roe v Wade will be reintroduced. Same sex rights will likely come before them, as well.

There is also the war and economy, which I don't think either parties candidates have a firm grasp on any solutions. We know Hilarry had an advantage there. I think Obama was stupid not to make Hillary his VP, but I still think the other issues are important enough to vote for him over McCain.

I agree! Hillary has certain beliefs and Obama at least shares most of them.

Another thing, I believe that in spite of everything, she still believes in the Democratic Party. She (and Bill) will always help the party.

 

["Got Disney"]

One of my elementary school teachers said something that has stuck with me all these years. "No one can use you, unless you let them. No one can make you do something you don't want to do."

Do I think Hillary believes Obama is a great choice, nope, not at all. But I do think she sees the whole picture, that there is much more at stake in this election than an average Presidential election, including the Supreme Court. That court will influence the rights of Americans for years after Obama or McCain are out of office. They will rule on some interesting cases, including the mixing of church and state, because they will be ruling on the IRS' ability to pull the tax exemption if a church crosses the line. I'm sure Roe v Wade will be reintroduced. Same sex rights will likely come before them, as well.

I honestly dont think that Roe vs Wade will be overturned and as for same sex marriage Obama is not for that either....he is for it the same as McCain and Palin are that Marriage should remain between a man and a woman but they should have the rights as partners. As of right know the SC has said that it is left up to the individual state on whether to alot same sex marriages. As for the IRS they will be voting on that this month.

as for no one being able to make you so something you dont want to do that would depend on the something....And as far as no one can use you ...that depends also. If Hillary felt that if she did not let them use her as they seemed fit to get Obama elected because she would jeopardize all that she has worked for her whole life that ...yes can be used.

But I do agree with you that as a DEM she feels compelled to help Obama over McCain getting voted in

 

[Chuck S]

Sorry, but Palin is NOT for same sex rights, she was going to sign a bill into law in Alaska that reversed same sex benefits for state employees. The only reason she did not is because it was pointed out to her that the state Supreme Court had already ruled that such a law would be unconstitutional.

Here is her own statement:

“The Department of Law advised me that this bill, HB4001, is unconstitutional given the recent Court order of December 19th, mandating same-sex benefits,” said Governor Sarah Palin. “With that in mind, signing this bill would be in direct violation of my oath of office.”

The statement added "The governor's veto does not signal any change or modification to her disagreement with the action and order by the Alaska Supreme Court. It is the governor's intention to work with the Legislature and to give the people of Alaska an opportunity to express their wishes and intentions whether these benefits should continue."

 

[Took]

Hopefully I am still welcomed as I have 100% came to the conslusion that I will be voting for McCain/Palin in November.

I am not worried that McCain will be another Bush, He will NOT be another Bush, but OBAMA will. I wish people would see Obama and Bush are one in the same (just opposite sides of the fence). Obama is all about me, me, me just like Bush is! I don't care if you are Dem or Rep but having a President all about themselves is NEVER good!

I am not worried that McCain is going to kick the bucket any time soon. I believe he will still be alive and kicking in 4 years (although only God knows the future)

One of my major issues with this election is health care (besides the war and economy) I do not like McCain's plan with improving the health care system, bascially it is leaving it the same as is. BUT even though I don't agree with his "plan" I can still vote for him because I read Obama's plan for health care and it is a a huge joke and will create more of a mess, IMO.

So out of my main issues:

Iraq/War --- I trust McCain over Obama to handle this with KNOWLEDGE
Economy -- well, I really don't think EITHER of them will make the economy better, IMO
Health Care --- again I am not thrilled with either plan, so they wash each other out.

So I guess to me I am voting mainly on who I feel can handle the war and Iraq better, for me it always comes back to McCain.

Now I do not agree with Sarah Palin on A LOT of her issues, but I do LOVE her festiness (reminds me of Hillary!) And talk about media bias. Whoa! It is disgusting and I feel sorry for her and her family. It is uncalled for what the media is doing to them.

But like I said before I am not going to vote for Obama just in case McCain dies in office because I don't want Palin as President. If the worse does happen & Palin becomes President, our Country will get through it. Although she would not be my first choice for President, it could be worse.

I would rather take a chance that McCain is going to live another 4 years then vote Obama into office. With Obama has President I shudder to think what our Country will be like in 4 years!

Don't get me wrong voting for McCain was not an easy decision. I discuss the pros and cons with my husband and read the FACTS on both candidates. Do I 100% agree with McCain, NO, Do I 100% trust McCain, NO --- but I trust McCain a lot more then I trust Obama. So I will go on election day and vote for McCain and know in my opinion I am voting who I think will be better at running our Country for the next 4 years.

I know not all agree with me on here and that is fine. What makes this Country great is every one has an OPINION and the right to vote how they see fit

Your trust issues really puzzle me as anyone connected with the Keating 5 (or 7) immediately causes me to distrust him (McCain). What makes you "shudder" about Obama? Can you help me see why I should be worried? What facts have you read?

Took

 

[Took]

I agree! Hillary has certain beliefs and Obama at least shares most of them.

Another thing, I believe that in spite of everything, she still believes in the Democratic Party. She (and Bill) will always help the party.

I believe in it, too. Repubs have SHOWN me what they will accomplish for the last eight years and McCain (unlike his earlier maverick self) has completely gone along. He is an old man who sold his soul to get this nomination and will continue to sell out to keep conservative support in congress. HE WILL NOT unite us.

Obama will be okay, especially if he will listen to party veterans like Hillary and Bill and others.

 

["Got Disney"]

Sorry, but Palin is NOT for same sex rights, she was going to sign a bill into law in Alaska that reversed same sex benefits for state employees. The only reason she did not is because it was pointed out to her that the state Supreme Court had already ruled that such a law would be unconstitutional.

Here is her own statement:

“The Department of Law advised me that this bill, HB4001, is unconstitutional given the recent Court order of December 19th, mandating same-sex benefits,” said Governor Sarah Palin. “With that in mind, signing this bill would be in direct violation of my oath of office.”

The statement added "The governor's veto does not signal any change or modification to her disagreement with the action and order by the Alaska Supreme Court. It is the governor's intention to work with the Legislature and to give the people of Alaska an opportunity to express their wishes and intentions whether these benefits should continue."

Sorry I meant to say just McCain...Palin is not so much for it or anything that has not to do with a man and a woman. ...and yes she did veto the bill but because she had to. I meant to say that McCain and Obama have the same take on it. Palin is Palin and she is far right and like i said the only thing I agree with her on is drilling.

But I do agree with McCain on more issues. Not as much as I do with the Dems but I don't like Obama at all.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

Remember all the good times the OS had over Hillary in Bosnia. I said it was a stupid thing for her to do and at the time she really didn't need to do it. It's on the old thread.

Sometimes these things are like a blast from the past.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1154564,CST-NWS-biden10.article

Biden asked. He'll ask her about "The superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan where my helicopter was forced down...John McCain wants to know where Bin Ladin and the gates of Hell are? I can tell him where. That's where Al Quaida is. That's where Bin Ladin is. It's not in the country of Iraq."

Hey Joe...why was your helicopter forced down in that superhighway of terror?

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/senators-helicopter-makes-emergency-landing/

Politico reports that the landing was made due to weather conditions. Nobody was injured and the trip has continued on as scheduled.

Hmmm...so the same reason a helicopter could be forced down in the superhighway of terror in oh, say Idaho? That's not what's implied in the statement.

 

["Got Disney"]

Remember all the good times the OS had over Hillary in Bosnia. I said it was a stupid thing for her to do and at the time she really didn't need to do it. It's on the old thread.

Sometimes these things are like a blast from the past.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1154564,CST-NWS-biden10.article

Biden asked. He'll ask her about "The superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan where my helicopter was forced down...John McCain wants to know where Bin Ladin and the gates of Hell are? I can tell him where. That's where Al Quaida is. That's where Bin Ladin is. It's not in the country of Iraq."

Hey Joe...why was your helicopter forced down in that superhighway of terror?

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/senators-helicopter-makes-emergency-landing/

Politico reports that the landing was made due to weather conditions. Nobody was injured and the trip has continued on as scheduled.

Hmmm...so the same reason a helicopter could be forced down in the superhighway of terror in oh, say Idaho? That's not what's implied in the statement.

Funny....however many OS won't care about that because after all I am sure Biden will say it's "Not what I meant to say" or I just worded it wrong"...they will say it was just a slip of the tongue and it could happen to anyone......

AHHHHH memories