Highest Maintenance Fee Increase Ever!

[TiggerBouncy]

I thought this tweet was hilarious: (I realize it’s more than staffing wages at the tiny front desk at VGF)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1472892955748937731

Man, I am in the WRONG business!

I knew they were short staffed, but I didn't think that had Chapek and D'Amaro working for front desk.

 

[Sandisw]

We seem to be having a little bit of back and forth debate that may become an argument. Let's not do that please!

 

[The Jackal]

The relatively high OKW dues are tied to the charts.

It's not like taking care of the room costs less in dollars because it's less points. It makes sense that the dues per point are higher with lower point charts, actually. Really, it's surprising they aren't higher, given the charts, like those cheap GVs and 9 point rooms.

Then explain Riviera. High dues high point chart.

OKW and SSR are large spread out grounds. It takes a lot of people to maintain them, compared to the other resorts.

 

[Vulnox]

Then explain Riviera. High dues high point chart.

OKW and SSR are large spread out grounds. It takes a lot of people to maintain them, compared to the other resorts.

Riviera is lower than OKW, Hilton Head, and Aulani and about on par with AKV, Boulder Ridge, and maybe more of a stretch Beach Club. So based on 2022 charts it is running pretty close to the pack, excluding GF/CCV/BCV/BLT. It went from $8.38 in 2021 to $8.38 in 2022.

I get what you are trying to say, but RIV is lower than the location that is being discussed as dues being a function of the point chart.

Looking at their individual condo notices, I suspect RIV will maintain a pretty flat rise in MF as long as sales are fairly stable. Once they sell out most of the rooms and that though and normal rising costs aren't moving at a similar level to sales, will probably see bigger MF jumps.

I dunno though, I haven't been watching these MF increases as long as many others.

https://cdn2.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...iation-notices/2021/2021-condo-notice-okw.pdf
https://cdn2.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...iation-notices/2021/2021-condo-notice-rva.pdf

 

[Sandisw]

Then explain Riviera. High dues high point chart.

OKW and SSR are large spread out grounds. It takes a lot of people to maintain them, compared to the other resorts.

Skyliner may be a big piece of the budget. Plus, when RIV came online, the new wage was already negotiated so that line item was already up there to account for that, where the other resorts had to add it in.

Since the entire resort is not yet declared, maybe that plays a role? I don't know...but could be why resorts that are in active sales stay pretty constant those first few years before they see more typical increases?

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Then explain Riviera. High dues high point chart.

OKW and SSR are large spread out grounds. It takes a lot of people to maintain them, compared to the other resorts.

Because they have to keep it more shiny to encourage sales?


(I haven't actually looked at Riviera dues to see why they might be what they are. Transporation (skyliner) could possibly be part of it as Sandi mentioned.)

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Does the point chart impact the increase in costs/dues across a resort? I’m not following what you mean by the “cost of low point charts”. Total points are fixed/unchanged within a resort, so for dues to increase from one year to the next, the actual costs would need to increase by that same percentage. How would points impact this?

A couple others answered how it affects it but to respond - for example the cost to clean a 2BR should be pretty similar at all WDW locations. For a week though in a 2BR low point chart location such as OKW it might take 230 points to stay while it takes 360 points at VGF. So that weeks worth of cleaning at OKW (let's say it's $300) is split between 230 points at OKW for $1.30/pt while at VGF it's divided between 360 points for $.83/pt. The dues at VGF appear much lower but the total MF's paid by each owner was identical for that service.

Of course once you start using points elsewhere you might be getting an added benefit or lower benefit. And it's only considering MF's, not purchase price of the points. But that's an example how point charts can affect the calculated MF's/point.

 

[sethschroeder]

I said they will complain because they think that .50 cents entitles them to get more, when that 50 cents is to go toward the CM wages. The sentence is quite clear. Which part of this sentence did you not understand?

"The problem is that people on the boards complain that they are not getting any new benefits or extras for their $.50. The entitlement in society has gotten stronger, and it's all about "it I am paying more, I should get more" and not realizing that the more just goes to pay the CM's a better wage and inflation."

I said that with the contract negotiations, Disney will have to pay more for wages, and that will be passed onto us and I am okay with that. I was making an apples to apples comparison - wages go up for McDonalds, you pay more for a Big Mac. Wages go up for milk producers and grocery stores, you pay more for milk. Wages go up for Disney Cast Members, you pay more for your points.

Or have you been watching too much media about how to take quotes out of context and use them incorrectly?

This is your statement

The entitlement in society has gotten stronger, and it's all about "it I am paying more, I should get more" and not realizing that the more just goes to pay the CM's a better wage and inflation.

You are making a generalized comment and then double downed.

entitled generation

Sorry if you don't like being called out on your views. You are using entitlement as an attack on the individual instead of discussing the points and viewing it as a comprehension issue of certain individuals.

I have a serious issue with people pushing this "entitlement issue" as a way to defend poor organizational efficiency and policies.

When people say expect more after a 16% increase in dues that is a relevant thought. The issue is there is a comprehension issue since they are not accounting that dues didn't go up 16% since they didn't account for the credit last year.

It's also not a "entitlement" issue when people push for Disney to provide a more flawless service when their site for DVC goes down and has issues along with hours long waits to get someone on the phone.

People are fed up with issues that exist so when they see increases, especially what they perceive to be significant, they are going to push back.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

Sorry if you don't like being called out on your views. You are using entitlement as an attack on the individual instead of discussing the points and viewing it as a comprehension issue of certain individuals.

I have a serious issue with people pushing this "entitlement issue" as a way to defend poor organizational efficiency and policies.

When people say expect more after a 16% increase in dues that is a relevant thought. The issue is there is a comprehension issue since they are not accounting that dues didn't go up 16% since they didn't account for the credit last year.

It's also not a "entitlement" issue when people push for Disney to provide a more flawless service when their site for DVC goes down and has issues along with hours long waits to get someone on the phone.

People are fed up with issues that exist so when they see increases, especially what they perceive to be significant, they are going to push back.

out of respect to the mods, I think this topic has been hashed enough.

 

[bobdacat]

If its too much than sell it! Disney is the only timeshare you can sell and get some money out of. If we all still enjoy Walt Disney World, stop complaining. We all bought into this knowing there would be maintenance fees, and they will go up. I think the CM's do an awesome job keeping my piece of property clean and tidy.... Why complain if you all still love going. Things are tough all over, but I'm still going to Disney World!!!! Be grateful we can all afford this extravagance, or not afford in my case I think I'm still paying for the trip in '99. Have a magical day.