Highest Maintenance Fee Increase Ever!

[TiggerBouncy]

And if you think the latest increases are bad, wait until the 2023 budget comes out when we will likely see a significant adjustment due to rising inflation rate and to the fact that the current union contract ends April 2022 and thus there will be a new one negotiated, with the union wanting significantly higher wage and benefit increases partly to cover the inflation increase.

This. It's enough already seeing the 50,000 FB posts complaining about the apples to oranges comparison against last year since it's easy to point out the mistake.

Next year, I may have to take December and January off the internet.

Well, if the MF increases help give the workers a living wage, then I won't complain. If it's adding a $7.5 million bonus to Iger's $2.5 million salary, then I'll complain.

You and much of the other reasonable people won't complain. But there are plenty of unreasonable ones out there to take our place. When they gave the custodial union a $15 base, I remember the following year the boards went CRAZY. I mean who did you think was going to pay those extra wages?

 

[carlbarry]

This. It's enough already seeing the 50,000 FB posts complaining about the apples to oranges comparison against last year since it's easy to point out the mistake.

Next year, I may have to take December and January off the internet.



You and much of the other reasonable people won't complain. But there are plenty of unreasonable ones out there to take our place. When they gave the custodial union a $15 base, I remember the following year the boards went CRAZY. I mean who did you think was going to pay those extra wages?

Maybe I'm misguided, but if I'm lucky enough to be able to stay at a place with a $450 per night rack rate, a little extra so that the workers who make my stay possible can afford to live decently won't kill me. A little off-topic perhaps, but that's the way I feel.

 

[RoseGold]

So because Deluxe Studios start at only 9 points, it's OK to charge more for MF? MF is based on actual expenses, not adjusting for low points.

The relatively high OKW dues are tied to the charts.

It's not like taking care of the room costs less in dollars because it's less points. It makes sense that the dues per point are higher with lower point charts, actually. Really, it's surprising they aren't higher, given the charts, like those cheap GVs and 9 point rooms.

 

[dclpluto]

My maint fees are now over 4K dollars a year.
150 bwv
100 California
305 ssr

 

[Stargazer65]

The benefits of DVC ownership are multiplying rapidly, so it's only natural that dues should follow suit.

 

[Jelly563]

I was expecting only a modest increase since they nixed the Magic Express.... boy was I wrong

 

[DebbieB]

Maybe I'm misguided, but if I'm lucky enough to be able to stay at a place with a $450 per night rack rate, a little extra so that the workers who make my stay possible can afford to live decently won't kill me. A little off-topic perhaps, but that's the way I feel.

The difference people are complaining about isn't the salary increases. It's neglecting to consider last year's 2020 credit for the closing when comparing to the 2022 dues.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

The difference people are complaining about isn't the salary increases. It's neglecting to consider last year's 2020 credit for the closing when comparing to the 2022 dues.

THIS YEAR, you are correct.

But when they renegotiated the custodial union, it was bloody murder cries on the dues. And just wait for next years negotiations with the labor unions.

Personally, I am all for the wage increases. I do not mind paying a few extra dollars if it goes to the CM's. Heaven knows they deserve it for what the public puts them through. The difference to me between $6/point over the course of a year and $6.50/point is <shrug>. But the difference to them is huge.

The problem is that people on the boards complain that they are not getting any new benefits or extras for their $.50. The entitlement in society has gotten stronger, and it's all about "it I am paying more, I should get more" and not realizing that the more just goes to pay the CM's a better wage and inflation.

 

[randumb0]

I'm not surprised. The property insurance rates in Florida have been skyrocketing

 

[sethschroeder]

The entitlement in society has gotten stronger, and it's all about "it I am paying more, I should get more" and not realizing that the more just goes to pay the CM's a better wage and inflation.

I love people who throw around "entitlement" to try and prove a point. Paying more money absolutely means you should be receiving more as an exchange. Now it may mean you retain additional talent within those who work at the resorts but there should be some net positive to the exchange.

Example how many hours are essentially wasted doing the room checks daily instead of providing actual benefit to the membership? How many hours are stolen from staff because the website sucks beyond recognition?

Sorry having higher expectations from a company is not entitlement. Also what most people are experiencing is simply not understanding how the credit last year worked and the MFs work.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

Paying more money absolutely means you should be receiving more as an exchange.

Have you never heard of the word "inflation"?

I have news for you.... You are not getting more of a Big Mac this year than you did 10 years ago even though that Big Mac costs you more. You are not getting more Milk in that Gallon of Milk that you paid a national average of $3.72 for this year compared to the $2.78 you paid for it in 2000. It's still a gallon of milk. It's the same milk. You pay more for it. Do you know why? It's not because the company is just charging more for milk and therefore should increase your milk related service. They have to pay higher wages to the staff who makes that milk and they have to pay more for the machines. Do you know why they have to pay more for the machines? Because the companies who make the machines have to pay higher wages to their staff.

It is absolutely entitlement to say you should get more milk related service now because you pay more compared to what you paid 5 years ago.

Just like Milk, that Big Mac, and a can of Tuna, your dues go up every year to pay for the higher wages of employees, and basic inflation on land, higher taxes, etc.

You do not get anything more for that. I am sorry that the entitled generation has not learned this basic truth.

 

[gregskellington]

I love people who throw around "entitlement" to try and prove a point. Paying more money absolutely means you should be receiving more as an exchange. Now it may mean you retain additional talent within those who work at the resorts but there should be some net positive to the exchange.

Example how many hours are essentially wasted doing the room checks daily instead of providing actual benefit to the membership? How many hours are stolen from staff because the website sucks beyond recognition?

Sorry having higher expectations from a company is not entitlement. Also what most people are experiencing is simply not understanding how the credit last year worked and the MFs work.

You can have high expectations, and you can have realistic expectations.

Also I'm sure there is at least one person saved from a dangerous situation out there because of the room checks. If members think their 5 minutes in their room at noon is worth more than that, that says a lot about that member.

 

[sethschroeder]

Have you never heard of the word "inflation"?

Inflation isn't as high as MF increases or other increases people complain about so that is non-relevant. If the MF increased annually by 1-3% very few people would say a word.

I am sorry that the entitled generation has not learned this basic truth.

You are so out of touch. Its called challenging businesses to be better. Again you are talking about inflation increases when Disney has been increasing way above inflation.

Also I'm sure there is at least one person saved from a dangerous situation out there because of the room checks. If members think their 5 minutes in their room at noon is worth more than that, that says a lot about that member.

I challenge you to find a single instance anywhere in the US where that is the case? I have put this out there before as well and no one ever comes back with a single story or instance.

Also its way more than 5 minutes lost in staffing. As an example there are 1200 rooms likely filled on many days at SSR. You are talking about 3-5 mins per room which equates to 3600-6000 minutes per day which is 60-100 hours or 8-13 employees full time job only checking rooms.

Additionally if you want to talk about safety then a better solution is additional security cameras in hallways and security checkpoints where you can have those individuals posted to avoid people from even entering the resort to start with.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

Inflation isn't as high as MF increases or other increases people complain about so that is non-relevant. If the MF increased annually by 1-3% very few people would say a word.

The phrase that you took from my context was that I do not mind paying an extra 50 cents for my points if it's to pay a higher wage to the CM's which should be getting raises to account for the higher cost of living.

You took that point and said that if you are paying 50 cents more then it's reasonable for you to expect to get more.

it's very relevant, since that was the words you took out of my mouth and answered to. Take the whole quote and don't put it out of context.

"Personally, I am all for the wage increases. I do not mind paying a few extra dollars if it goes to the CM's. Heaven knows they deserve it for what the public puts them through. The difference to me between $6/point over the course of a year and $6.50/point is <shrug>. But the difference to them is huge.

The problem is that people on the boards complain that they are not getting any new benefits or extras for their $.50. "

 

[sethschroeder]

The phrase that you took from my context was that I do not mind paying an extra 50 cents for my points if it's to pay a higher wage to the CM's which should be getting raises to account for the higher cost of living.

You took that point and said that if you are paying 50 cents more then it's reasonable for you to expect to get more.

it's very relevant, since that was the words you took out of my mouth and answered to.

No the phrase I took was you are saying people are entitled because with substantial increases in costs they expect more for their money.

Like I also said there is a misunderstanding by many how the the MFs work. That does not make them entitled it makes them uninformed as well.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

No the phrase I took was you are saying people are entitled because with substantial increases in costs they expect more for their money.

Like I also said there is a misunderstanding by many how the the MFs work. That does not make them entitled it makes them uninformed as well.

I said they will complain because they think that .50 cents entitles them to get more, when that 50 cents is to go toward the CM wages. The sentence is quite clear. Which part of this sentence did you not understand?

"The problem is that people on the boards complain that they are not getting any new benefits or extras for their $.50. The entitlement in society has gotten stronger, and it's all about "it I am paying more, I should get more" and not realizing that the more just goes to pay the CM's a better wage and inflation."

I said that with the contract negotiations, Disney will have to pay more for wages, and that will be passed onto us and I am okay with that. I was making an apples to apples comparison - wages go up for McDonalds, you pay more for a Big Mac. Wages go up for milk producers and grocery stores, you pay more for milk. Wages go up for Disney Cast Members, you pay more for your points.

Or have you been watching too much media about how to take quotes out of context and use them incorrectly?

 

[DonMacGregor]

I think the pure entertainment of watching people on these boards melt down over a .50 increase would be worth the extra $16 per month I'd be paying on my measly 400 points. I think I'm "entitled" to that...

 

[TiggerBouncy]

I think the pure entertainment of watching people on these boards melt down over a .50 increase would be worth the extra $16 per month I'd be paying on my measly 400 points. I think I'm entitled to that...

I'll give you that one. I do not think that makes you "entitled". In fact, I think many of us are "entitled" to that entertainment if we have to pay higher labor costs.

 

[DonMacGregor]

I'll give you that one. I do not think that makes you "entitled". In fact, I think many of us are "entitled" to that entertainment if we have to pay higher labor costs.

I edited to remove any ambiguity regrading the sarcasm that was dripping from my lips.

 

[NoTime42]

I thought this tweet was hilarious: (I realize it’s more than staffing wages at the tiny front desk at VGF)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1472892955748937731