Here now, a little annoyed :/

Do other companies still even see "Disney" on a resume and think WOW?
Certainly not if one's job was in the parks and the length of employment was the span of a college term. A line as a resume that reads: "Person to person sales of high tech, cutting edge technology from a mobile sales platform in support of the live entertainment division" is going to be interpreted as: "Sold plastic light sabers from a cart on Main Street before the parade." I suppose if one were applying for a job with Hilton and the candidate worked at the Poly, that might matter. But probably not any more than if they had worked at Starwood or Marriott.
 
And in my experience that is still the case. Compared to basically everywhere you go, Disney is still head, shoulders, feet and toes above everyone else.

Even in the good ol' days, I'm sure there were plenty of CMs that made the fatal mistake of not making eye contact. There were no message boards to report it immediately though.

Completely disagree with the bolded statement. Our last couple trips to Disney, we've felt that the overall customer service at Disney is MUCH worse than the customer service we receive at home. We gave it one more shot, but after this last trip, we cancelled all our future Disney plans and are adding more days for Universal! :thumbsup2
 

Our last trip to wdw was in the fall, we did notice a pretty big decline some attitudes, we have always sent emails or spoken to managers about the positive, but this was the first time we actually sent a "complaint." We were waiting in the fp area before FOF at MK, when the CM doing parade crowd control came over and started talking to the people next to us (apparently off duty CM), she proceed to bash WDW and management and complain about her hours, scheduled assignments, and coworkers. It was beyond unprofessional and quite frankly distracted from our vacation. Now I don't expect "magic" or free stuff at wdw just plain old good customer service and professionalism.

IMHO, it doesn't matter what your job is, if you are at work you have to leave your issues at the door and do your job. This may sound harsh. Whether you are a cashier handing money, a nurse dosing medicine, an IT tech talking someone through an issue, a tax center employee looking over a tax return, or a doctor doing a surgery, you focus on your job. YES we all are human and have lives and feelings, but why do we expect less than a solid effort from anyone?

I have yet to experience BAD customer service at Disney (or a Disney Store) .. .

But in general, you get what you pay for ... (and what you train for). If they continue to hire on the cheap with college interns that are just using this as a stepping stone .. then yes .. you will get people with the "dont' care" attitude.

The good attitude is out there, it takes quality training and good pay .. and a feeling of being "invested" in the company you work for.

Just look at the difference between how you are treated by an employee at McDonald's versus an employee at Chick Fil-A.
At McDonalds the customer is treated as a nuisance or an annoyance, while at Chick Fil-A you are always treated with a smile and a "my pleasure"

There is a reason that Chick Fil-A's are always super busy ANY time of day and McDonald's (despite being everywhere) are usually pretty empty except for people sipping on coffee taking advantage of the free wi-fi.

Depends on the McDonalds you go to, the one by my house is well staffed and I have never encountered a unhappy employee, never felt like an annoyance, and I a, always thanked.

Odds are...they are.

On our most recent trip, every CP we encountered was fantastic!

My opinion - the world has changed. People are just not as kind and considerate, across the board, as they used to be. The world is more about "me" today than it has been in our history. The price that we pay for success - leisure.

How does that impact customer service, particularly at WDW? First - the guests are not as considerate as they used to be. They act out in ways that were far less common (at least, in public) years ago. Second - If you get grief from guests all day long, day after day, month after month, about things totally out of your control, it is going to impact your attitude. Third - the CMs are also taken from this stock of people who are just not as kind and considerate as they used to be. So, even on their best day they are not likely to provide the same level of customer service as someone might have years ago.

That aside, I believe that many Dis posters, as frequent WDW guests, have a romanticized view of how WDW "used to be". I know that I do, but when I really search my memory I find flaws with every trip that I have taken. But that's alright - I still love WDW. I can accept this level of imperfection.

Entirely agree

I was at Disney last week, and didn't have any bad experience with cm's. The ones I interacted with were very friendly.

I work in the customer service industry, have for 19 years now. I have worked in HR for the last 4 years at my company, hiring and training people. Unfortunately, we now live in a time where a lot of people want a paycheck, but they think all they have to do is show up, and not do the work. And that's if they come to work. I can,t believe how many people NEED this job, but then call out once a week. If I hire ten people, I'm lucky if there are 2 left out of the ten in six months. Sadly, good work ethics are hard to come by this day and age. I'm not say everybody is like this, there still people out there that do have a good work ethic, those people are just harder to find. I'm sure Disney deals with this too.

The cutbacks suck, I also have had to deal with that more than once. I understand why Disney is having to do it. I don't agree, but I understand. I know it is affecting the CM's. They may have less hours, they may have to be doing more work because of the cuts. We as the customers, should try to remember that. We should be patient and understanding also. Being courteous goes both ways.

I agree here too I have been in retail management, now HR for years, this morning I had a complaint from an employee that has called in sick 6 times in 2016, that I requested a doctors note, very entitled attitude.

This doesn't prove to me that people don't have a good work ethic. This shows me that what you're offering them isn't worth the effort. I work in customer service (1-800 number rep) too, but for the federal government. We have almost zero turn over because new hires make $35k, get 2 1/2 weeks vacation, 2 1/2 weeks sick, 10 federal holidays, 401k matching up to 5%, a great pension, and good health benefits. As a seasoned employee (20 years) I get even more.. I made $58k, last year and I get 5 weeks vacation. It is a very stressful job, but no one leaves the job unless they have to or they get promoted. Most teleservice places are $10 an hour and have horrible turnover. This is why. If you're paying people the same crappy wage they can get anyplace else, what's the point? You get what you give, and if you're only offering crap, that's all you're going to get.

They are probably picky about who they hire and rightfully so. One of the big differences her is the fact that there is a pension and the pay is decent.

In my current very small company (retail, only 14 employees), we cannot offer a pension due to budget, but we do pay minimum 3.5 dollars an hour more than minimum wage, we have little to no turnover, we have lost two people this past year - one retired and one is on a year long maternity leave. However, this is the most high maintenance team I have ever managed, countless sick calls, they complained because we only provide hot chocolate during the busy holidays but coffee and tea all year. I am actually exhausted, speaking to peers from other retail management and hr, they are experiencing the same type of "work drama" - high expectations of what they get put low expectations of effort needed.
 
Nobody forces anybody to work for Disney....There is never an excuse, in the service industry, not to greet someone back or look them in the eye when you are ringing up a sale. I've been in the service industry since for ever, and this is not acceptable. We have to stop making excuses for inexcusable behavior.

Inexcusable behavior such as not paying your employees a living wage. I agree, we should stop listening to corporations' excuses for that.

Everyone needs a source of financial support to survive, and for most people that comes in the form of a job. So in that sense, yes, they are forced to work.
 
CMs are often put into very stressful situations that result from decisions made in conference rooms in Burbank and elsewhere, by people who do not understand (or care) about the ramifications those decisions have on the rank and file. And "suck it up Buttercup" is a silly and insensitive way to approach what they are going through.

Are you ever correct!! Plus, they are not paid very well to do it, either. Some are very nice and helpful and some of the most memorable CMs were off duty and hanging at the park..they were interesting to talk with.
Others are clearly beaten down by The Walt Disney Company.

How awesome would it be to have the C-suite folks spend a little time under cover working at the theme parks? Bob Iger would for sure have a life altering experience spending a few hours walking backwards on the belt loading the People Mover...or behind the counter at Pecos Bill....or cleaning the Rapunzel restrooms in Fantasyland.
 
I know quite a few people who are now full time CMs at WDW. They started in the DCP and worked their way to where they are now. They fully understood what they would be doing and what they were going to be paid. My dd is starting the DCP in Sept....she has no illusions as to what her life will be.....long hours, sometimes doing a she doesn't really love, being paid peanuts. These are all things she realizes and accepts. If she feels this is something she wants to go forward with, she will look into a permanent position. If she decides it's not what she hoped for, she'll leave. She knew what her pay was going to be before she accepted the offer.

But....does Disney rely on these kids too much? Sure. They're cheaper than full timers. Is it right? No, not really. But here's the thing, for me anyway. I've seen more and more CMs standing around, chatting with each other, not even looking up as guests pass them when entering an attraction. It drives me crazy. I'm not looking for in depth conversation, but a smile and hi would be nice. I've stood waiting for two CMs to finish their conversation before ringing up my purchase. I've stood, at a resort front counter, trying to resolve a lost item issue. The CM took a call, chatted for a bit. When I continued to stand there, she rolled her eyes, saying 'I have to go. I won't be in time for break. I have a guest who needs more help.' It was obvious that I was being bothersome. Oh well. It doesn't take much to smile and appear welcoming.
 
Do other companies still even see "Disney" on a resume and think WOW?

It has been a while since I was a CP (Summer, 1999), but for as long as I kept it listed on my resume, it was the top conversation starter during interviews. Most were fascinated about what it was like. One interviewer, a general manager of a 4-star Hotel was unimpressed as he was not a fan of Disney, for reasons I no longer remember. So do companies say "WOW" when it is on a resume, it depends on the company. But I think it also depends on how you relate the experience to the job you are applying for.
 
It does seem like the CM/Guest relationship is changing. Probably a lot has to do with how crowded the parks are and how manners have declined. I figure all I can do is try to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. I try to be very, very nice to the CMs.
 
Disney employees are better than most because the people who work there generally love the magic too, but everyone is human, and you can't stay happy in a job where you are undervalued.

Yes, I'd say most of my fellow Disney cast members were pretty high caliber hires. Most of us knew we could do similar jobs elsewhere for higher pay if we wanted to. We'd talk about that often on the days when we'd have our complaints and war stories. But overall, most didn't feel stuck at Disney, and some who did had an unusual loyalty to the company's brand (because they weren't willing to work elsewhere).

Hear, hear.
And...working at Disney parks used to be a career.

A Disney CM career isn't the right choice for most people, in my opinion. We have a Facebook group of all the people who worked in my area. I really enjoy seeing all the careers that people have gone on to since working as CMs.

My daughter is a DCP staff member currently. She is feeling the pressure of the Shanghi budget cuts all around her. The impact from across the world is being felt all over WDW. Many part time staff members are getting 0 hours! My daughter also said many DCP kids come for the "magic" and start work. Many (believe it or not) have never held a job or had to work real, long, exhausting hours. And dealing with a new generation of 'me first', 'gimme-the-magic' customers gets really old and difficult for DCP kids.

The "me-first gimmie-the-magic" criticism also applies to many people in today's young workforce. You're right that many don't appreciate hard work. They don't want to pay their dues and feel entitled to instant gratification. Being a CM forces you outside of your comfort zone. I was thrown into so many situations: speaking in front of large crowds, learning skills in dealing with difficult people, being resilient and providing the best guest experience through long hours, projecting confidence, etc.. But the skills that I learned from this experience have been enormously valuable in my career today.

(By the way, we already addressed "Shanghi" in another thread; let's just say that the CM rumor-mill is notoriously unreliable in judging what's really happening.)
 
I'm always pleasant to the CMs, smile, say good morning, maybe remark on where they're from. During our last four trips we've found that many (not all) are much more interested in chatting with their fellow CMs than greeting, helping, or even acknowledging guests. The worst are the ones who are complaining about their hours, supervisors, etc. I'm sorry their job situation stinks but come on - suck it up and do the job. Acting like I'm an inconvenience won't get my sympathy or concern.
 
Are you ever correct!! Plus, they are not paid very well to do it, either. Some are very nice and helpful and some of the most memorable CMs were off duty and hanging at the park..they were interesting to talk with.
Others are clearly beaten down by The Walt Disney Company.

How awesome would it be to have the C-suite folks spend a little time under cover working at the theme parks? Bob Iger would for sure have a life altering experience spending a few hours walking backwards on the belt loading the People Mover...or behind the counter at Pecos Bill....or cleaning the Rapunzel restrooms in Fantasyland.

Disney suits rarely even set foot in the parks. They seem to think they can make good decisions by remote control.
 
Inexcusable behavior such as not paying your employees a living wage. I agree, we should stop listening to corporations' excuses for that.

Everyone needs a source of financial support to survive, and for most people that comes in the form of a job. So in that sense, yes, they are forced to work.

If they could see the wisdom in making more substantial investments in their workforce and customer service, I am sure that Disney would be the biggest beneficiary. Better service means higher customer satisfaction, a better reputation and more repeat business. Increased pay and improved training for CMs would mean much less turnover, better and more experienced CMs, and attracting employees better suited to working with the public.

If Disney retained a lot more CMs, they wouldn't have to continually train lots of new employees all the time. Those costs might actually turn out much lower, in the long run. But that would necessitate long term thinking, not just a blinkered fixation on next quarter's earnings report.

Instead, all they see are numbers; cut CM hours by X, and save Y. Hire more part timers and save X dollars in benefits. They seem blind to the intangible costs. Happier employees and better interactions between CMs and guests are not easily quantifiable in terms of dollars, so they are an afterthought at best.

In Walt's day, CMs were much better paid and trained, and that's what I meant, earlier in this thread, when I said that working in the parks was a career back then. It was a viable option. Today, the company enjoys vast financial resources that Walt never dreamed of, and they can't even pay a decent living wage. Or, rather, they choose not to.
 
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On our Feb trip in 2014 we had terrible CMs. Their attitude was poor, they weren't helpful, they seem unhappy, etc. Since then we have had mostly great experiences. In our trips since then I can only remember two CMs that were just less than "magical". One was a PP photographer in the MK that seem more interested in complaining about work to the character handler than taking photos. I actually had to tell him to please pay attention and start taking the pictures. And the second one was at SS at check in. She had an attitude, but still helped us.

We all have good days and bad days. After the recent employee cuts I don't blame them.
 
If they could see the wisdom in making more substantial investments in their workforce and customer service, I am sure that Disney would be the biggest beneficiary. Better service means higher customer satisfaction, a better reputation and more repeat business. Increased pay and improved training for CMs would mean much less turnover, better and more experienced CMs, and attracting employees better suited to working with the public.

If Disney retained a lot more CMs, they wouldn't have to continually train lots of new employees all the time. Those costs might actually turn out much lower, in the long run. But that would necessitate long term thinking, not just a blinkered fixation on next quarter's earnings report.

Instead, all they see are numbers; cut CM hours by X, and save Y. Hire more part timers and save X dollars in benefits. They seem blind to the intangible costs. Happier employees and better interactions between CMs and guests are not easily quantifiable in terms of dollars, so they are an afterthought at best.

In Walt's day, CMs were much better paid and trained, and that's what I meant, earlier in this thread, when I said that working in the parks was a career back then. It was a viable option. Today, the company enjoys vast financial resources that Walt never dreamed of, and they can't even pay a decent living wage. Or, rather, they choose not to.

Having been a Disney Store CM, I agree with this 100%. The turnover rate at the store was ridiculously high - a lot of people didn't even make it to the point where their actual nametag came in. (The nametag had to be ordered, so the store kept a stash of nametags from CMs who had left for whatever reason. IF there was a matching name, they'd use that. If not, they just matched up gender.) They brought in a manager from the UK, and honestly things got even worse. For me the kicker was when three long-term assistant managers (one of whom had been with the company for over 15 years, and the others for over 10 - all of whom LOVE Disney) all resigned within a two week period. We saw no evidence that anyone ever questioned or looked into why. It wasn't long after that I realized that I didn't NEED the job for money - most of what I was making was spent on meals while there on weekends or between my full-time job and that one - and I honestly had no life outside of work. But mostly, working there was beginning to make me hate Disney, and I didn't want that. Just before I turned in my notice (I hadn't quite been there three years, and outside of management, I was one of the 5 most senior CMs working there.), our senior-most non-management team CM had turned in her notice. Not only did no one question why or offer an exit interview, they actually made our last days a full week earlier than we had given them.

It seems they think it's easier and better to not bat an eye when CMs and management who are on higher pay scales due to seniority leave and hire people who will automatically make less - regardless of the quality or whether they have any ties to the company that would make them want to stay when they see the way they are treated.
 
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It starts from the top down, not the bottom up. We have to stop making excuses for inexcusable management decisions. When you get your work "schedule" for the next month and discover that you have not been scheduled to work any hours for the next two weeks, how do you go into work with a great big smile on your face?

When you work a part time job there is never a guarantee as to how many hours you're going to get each week. Employers can cut part time workers hours at will. It's often a tactic used to get rid of employees rather than go through all the hassle and paperwork of trying to fire them. Just give them so few hours that they eventually quit. If a CM isn't able to do their job properly because they're upset about the number of hours they're given it's time to find a new job.
 


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