Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[ophie]

I don't think Harry will find another horcrux at Godric's Hollow because Dumbledore already found the ring hidden there.

Actually, he found the ring @ the Gaunt house outside Little Hangleton.

 

[AmyA]

The name "Percy" means "Pierce the Valley" or "Pierce the Veil". I think Percy is going to play a very significant part in Book 7--we still don't know exactly what the veil in the Department of Mysteries is...and I think Percy may be the one to show us.

Could be completely wrong, too, of course

 

[themelbob1190]

I still think the sword in Dumbledore's office is the final horcrux.

ehhh i'm not sure about that. I find it kind of odd that Harry would have pulled one of Voldemort's horcruxes out of a hat. I think that the Horcrux in Hogwarts might be in the Room of Requirement, hidden where Harry hid his Potions book, and where the Vanishing Cabinet is.

I agree with you about Harry realizing Snape was good too late.

 

[Daxx]

ehhh i'm not sure about that. I find it kind of odd that Harry would have pulled one of Voldemort's horcruxes out of a hat. I think that the Horcrux in Hogwarts might be in the Room of Requirement, hidden where Harry hid his Potions book, and where the Vanishing Cabinet is.

Daxx's Wife here ... have to say that I agree w/you on this. I think that the sword being the horcrux is waaaay too obvious. JKR occassionally throws us a bone ... but not one that big!!!

Voldemort needed to hide a horcrux and, as not many people know about the Room of Requirement, it'd be the perfect place. Remember when Harry found Prof. Trelawney near the Room of Requirement, she was using it to ditch her sherry bottles and was surprised that Harry knew about it. Check out HP&HBP pg. 541:

"The Room of Requirement," repeated Harry. "Were you trying to get in there?"
"I --well-- I didn't know students knew about --" (Trelawney speaking here)
Not all of them do," said Harry.

So, that Room of Requirement - when the person requiring the room to hide something - is chock full of many interesting things, I'm sure. My bet is that Voldemort prob. thought he'd be teaching at Hogwarts and decided to stash something there b/c he'd be able to return freely to get it. When he was turned down for a teaching job, he couldn't get it back. Obviously, he wasn't able to send anyone else to get it, either. Unless, unbeknownst to us, Malfoy has it and is holding it.

I was impressed w/the use of the Vanishing Cabinets! It was written (pg. 526) "the broken Vanishing Cabinet in which Montague had got lost the
previous year ..." - I want to go back to OOTP to find out if, indeed, there is any mention of this.

I think that the horcrux is something other than the sword. I don't know what -- but it can't be that obvious.

 

[ophie]

I was impressed w/the use of the Vanishing Cabinets! It was written (pg. 526) "the broken Vanishing Cabinet in which Montague had got lost the
previous year ..." - I want to go back to OOTP to find out if, indeed, there is any mention of this.

There are several. The first is after Dumbledore leaves & the Inquisitorial Squad is founded. Fred & George tell the trio they shoved Montague into the cabinet.

 

[themelbob1190]

Unless, unbeknownst to us, Malfoy has it and is holding it.

The Death Eaters didn't even know that Voldemort has horcruxes. I remember Dumbledore mentioning something about that to Harry. I don't even know if Malfoy even was a Death Eater; it was unclear in the book...

 

[themelbob1190]

Okay, just went for the family walk of the evening, and of course, we discussed nothing but Harry Potter.

A few more theories for you:

1) Fawkes: My mom and I are in agreement that the whole Phoenix re-birth thing is a big deal. Dumbledore burst into flames at the end at his funeral. I have a feeling this isn't typical for a wizard funeral. We're thinking that Dumbledore is either a. reborn, b. turns into a phoenix, or c. is joined wherever he is by Fawkes. Harry saw a phoenix fly overhead; do we know that that's Fawkes? Also, might Fawkes BE Dumbledore??? I know Dumbledore will help out Harry in some way...

2) Dumbledore's family line: Supposedly on mugglenet.com (i haven't been there yet) there is an interview with JKR, where she states people need to pay attention to Dumbledore's family line. He has a brother that has been mentioned before in the books... (I missed that! :must re-read. There may be a Dumbledore-Harry-Gryffindor relationship somewhere. In all of Dumbledore's names, I couldn't find a "Potter" or "Riddle"...

3) Harry or Harry's scar as final horcrux: I don't think Harry is. I think Harry's scar might be the final horcrux. If it is, how will he destroy Voldemort? He'd have to destroy all the other Horcruxes, destroy Voldemort's body, and then kill himself. I'm not sure if JKR would do that though, it seems deep. But I wouldn't put anything past JKR.

4) Snape (again): I was reading a previous post where the person had a theory about Snape looking on Harry as the son he never had. I think that that is actually right. I also believe Snape and Dumbledore had some sort of agreement.

I also think Sirius is finally gone, for good.

 

[jenfur]

Just finished. I can't see how anyone could be disappointed with this one.

Here are a few of my theories;

1. RAB, is Regulus Black, that way the locket thing is figured out quickly.

2. Though I hate Snape, he killed Dumbledore for the same reasons Harry made Dumbledore drink the potion in the cave- he was following orders, no matter what. I believe Dumbledore is dead, remember his horrible vision while drinking the potion? It sounded like Death Eaters were torturing kids at Hogwarts, and he asked to be killed instead. It may not have been a vision, but foreshadowing. He had to die so Draco, his Mom and Snape could be saved.

3. They will be at Hogwarts plenty, and all of them. There was some mention of the DA from before, with Neville and Luna wishing it where still around. Dumbledore's Army has a deeper meaning now. Also, they need to find the Horcruxes from the other houses.

4. Harry will NOT die, too many people have sacrificed themselves for him, for his only purpose to be dying while taking down LV.

5. I think maybe Hogwarts itself is the unknown Horcrux.

 

[DStar4cup]

Daxx's Wife here ... have to say that I agree w/you on this. I think that the sword being the horcrux is waaaay too obvious. JKR occassionally throws us a bone ... but not one that big!!!

Voldemort needed to hide a horcrux and, as not many people know about the Room of Requirement, it'd be the perfect place. Remember when Harry found Prof. Trelawney near the Room of Requirement, she was using it to ditch her sherry bottles and was surprised that Harry knew about it. Check out HP&HBP pg. 541:

So, that Room of Requirement - when the person requiring the room to hide something - is chock full of many interesting things, I'm sure. My bet is that Voldemort prob. thought he'd be teaching at Hogwarts and decided to stash something there b/c he'd be able to return freely to get it. When he was turned down for a teaching job, he couldn't get it back. Obviously, he wasn't able to send anyone else to get it, either. Unless, unbeknownst to us, Malfoy has it and is holding it.

I was impressed w/the use of the Vanishing Cabinets! It was written (pg. 526) "the broken Vanishing Cabinet in which Montague had got lost the
previous year ..." - I want to go back to OOTP to find out if, indeed, there is any mention of this.

I think that the horcrux is something other than the sword. I don't know what -- but it can't be that obvious.

I agree. I think the place to start looking is for one of the horcrux's is in the ROR. When Harry hid the potion's book she made reference to all the stuff in there. Voldemort wanted to come back to Hogwart for some reason and I think it was hid a horcrux.

 

[Daxx]

The Death Eaters didn't even know that Voldemort has horcruxes. I remember Dumbledore mentioning something about that to Harry. I don't even know if Malfoy even was a Death Eater; it was unclear in the book...

Just b/c death eaters might not know about a horcrux doesn't mean they don't/can't possess them. Lucius Malfoy had the diary ... which ended up being a horcrux. I think if Lucius knew it was a horcrux, he might have been a bit more careful with it, yes? It's doubtful that Malfoy knew it was a horcrux, but let's face it ... the Malfoy's must have a lot of Voldemort's possessions and any one of them could be a horcrux.

Remember in CoS - pg. 51 US Paperback - Malfoy was in Borgin and Burke selling things and he tells Mr. Borgin "I have a few --ah-- items at home that might embarrass me, if the Ministry were to call ..." and then he goes on to say "--and as you see, certain of these poisons might make it appear --". So, he not only has the diary, but poisons that might go questioned if discovered. What other little trinkets might Lucius be in possession of!? And might any of those trinkets be a horcrux w/o Malfoy's knowledge? Just as the diary was a horcrux and Malfoy had no knowledge (or so we think) of that.

Also, Draco Malfoy was taking orders from Voldemort ... doesn't that make him a Death Eater? Otherwise, he'd be under one of Voldemort's curses to do it (like Rosemerta was under the Imperius curse). If Draco were under a curse, he'd just go out and kill Dumbledore. But, being under orders (and his mother's fear for her son's life) makes me feel he's a DE. Anyone else feel the same? Differently?

ETA - if there is a horcrux in the Room of Requirement (RoR), it's quite possible that Voldemort could have ordered Draco to go and find it as Draco would have free access to the RoR while at Hogwarts. Therefore, it is quite possible that Draco found it and it might currently be in his possession. Or, after his flight, it might be in Voldemort's possession. Anyone think of that one!??!

Warmly,

Daxx's Wife

 

[Lanshark]

I just finished. This may have been discussed but could Harry be one of the Horcruxes?

 

[Mish19]

Couldn't the RoR be anything you'd like it to be? Harry needed a place to hide the potions book so it turned into a Hogwarts storage room (with super cool stuff, mind you!), he also needed it to be the meeting/practice room for Dumbledore's Army in GoF.
I mentioned in my previous post that I got the feeling a Horcrux is in there, so I am definitely not arguing this point against you .

 

[Stacy's a freak]

Finally finished it today!

I agree with so many of you, but that Regulus Black is the RAB is genius. I never remembered anything about the previous mention of a locket. well done all!

I also don't think that Harry could be a Horcrux. What sense would it make for Voldemort to create a Horcrux in his enemy, the one who can't live while Voldy lives according to the prophesy. So he creates a Horcrux in someone who he hopes to kill, thereby destroying a piece of his own soul? I just don't think that makes any sense.

And is there anyone that thinks that Neville could be the "chosen one"? This is pretty farfetched, but I seem to remember Dumbledore saying that it could be one of two boys - Harry or Neville. And DD kept saying that Voldemort MADE Harry the chosen one by choosing Harry himself and vowing to destroy Harry. I just wonder if DD knows that Neville is the real "chosen one" but keeps Harry on that trail since Harry is mentally/physically strong and magically talented enough to be up to the task of fighting and beating Voldy.

Anyone else?

 

[mickeyfan2]

And is there anyone that thinks that Neville could be the "chosen one"? This is pretty farfetched, but I seem to remember Dumbledore saying that it could be one of two boys - Harry or Neville. Anyone else?

Actually I said this many pages ago. Dumbledore aluded to it in the book. He said that Voldemort assumed that Harry was the chosen one when he heard the first part of the prophacy.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Actually, JKR has said that there's only 40 kids Harry's age at Hogwarts.

I believe it is 5 girls and 5 boys per house for each year.

 

[MickeyMonstersMom]

And is there anyone that thinks that Neville could be the "chosen one"? This is pretty farfetched, but I seem to remember Dumbledore saying that it could be one of two boys - Harry or Neville. And DD kept saying that Voldemort MADE Harry the chosen one by choosing Harry himself and vowing to destroy Harry. I just wonder if DD knows that Neville is the real "chosen one" but keeps Harry on that trail since Harry is mentally/physically strong and magically talented enough to be up to the task of fighting and beating Voldy.

Anyone else?

JKR has said on her website that Neville is not the One. If you have never visited her site, here , it's worth a look - tons of information and little "games" that you have to discover and work out for yourself.

 

[wvrevy]

Actually I said this many pages ago. Dumbledore aluded to it in the book. He said that Voldemort assumed that Harry was the chosen one when he heard the first part of the prophacy.

No, no, no, no, no. Before Voldy acted by attacking Harry and killing his parents, yes, there existed a chance that Neville could be the one spoken of in the prophecy. But once Voldy tried to kill Harry, failed, and left the "mark" on Harry's forehead - thereby fulfulling the last part of the prophecy...the part he didn't know about - Herry was forever the one destined to face Voldemort in the end.

 

[AmyA]

No, no, no, no, no. Before Voldy acted by attacking Harry and killing his parents, yes, there existed a chance that Neville could be the one spoken of in the prophecy. But once Voldy tried to kill Harry, failed, and left the "mark" on Harry's forehead - thereby fulfulling the last part of the prophecy...the part he didn't know about - Herry was forever the one destined to face Voldemort in the end.

Exactly...that is one of the greatest ironies about the entire story. The prophecy would have never come true (for Harry or Neville) if Voldy hadn't acted upon the info Snape overheard that night. It goes along so well with JKR's theme about "destiny" being nothing more than the consequences of the choices we make. If Voldy had chosen to completely blow off the prophecy then neither Harry nor Neville would be "destined" to defeat him.

I hope that makes sense!!

 

[mickeyfan2]

Exactly...that is one of the greatest ironies about the entire story. The prophecy would have never come true (for Harry or Neville) if Voldy hadn't acted upon the info Snape overheard that night. It goes along so well with JKR's theme about "destiny" being nothing more than the consequences of the choices we make. If Voldy had chosen to completely blow off the prophecy then neither Harry nor Neville would be "destined" to defeat him.

I hope that makes sense!!

OK I forgot the second part of the prophacy.

 

[golfgal]

From the comments made by JKR in the Leaky/Mugglenet interview, I am beginning to think it isn't Regulus Black and it is Borgen. She gives a first name to Burke, but it's only Mr. Borgen. Her comment was something like "a sharp reader who is really paying attention might figure out who RAB is". Well, everyone thinks it is Regulus, so that is too easy. Borgen fits. Tom Riddle worked for him and had access to where all the artifacts might be, thus making it easy for him to find the items to use for the horcruxes (horcuruxi??).