Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[Tanuki]

Harry thinks he needs leave school to to find the Horcruxes, but if he finds out the unknown Horcruxes are to be found somewhere at Hogwarts he would have a reason to be there for a 7th year. I think he will be back.

 

[DStar4cup]

Ok I have been following this thread and finally went back to OOTP to read what Sirius said about his brother.

"my idiot brother, soft enough to believe them...that's him. Sirius jabbed a finger at the very bottom of the tree, at the name Regulus Black. A date of death (some fifteen years previously) followed the date of birth. He was younger thatn me, "said Sirius, " and a much better son, as i was constantly reminded." 'But he died," said Harry. "Yeah," said Sirius. "Stupid idiot...he joined the Death Eaters." "Your kidding!"
" Come on, Harry, haven't you seen enough of this house to tell what kind of wizards my family were?" said Sirius testily. "Were----were your parents Death Eaters as well?" "No, no but believe me, they thought Voldemort had the right idea, they were all for the purification of the Wizarding race, getting rid of Muggle-borns and having purebloods in charge. They weren't alone either, there were quite a few people, before Voldermort showed his true colors. who thought he had the right idea about things...They got cold feet when they saw what he was prepared to do to get power, though. But I bet my parents thought Regulus was a right little hero for joining up at first."
"Was he killed by an Auror?" Harry asked tentatively. "Oh no," said Sirius. "No, he was murdered by Voldemort. Or on Voldemort's orders, more likely, I doubt Regulus was ever important enough to be killed by Voldemort in person. From what I found out after he died, he got in so far, then panicked about what he was being asked to do and tried to back out. Well, you don't just hand in your resignation to Voldemort. It's a lifetime of service or death." (OOTP pg 111-112)

Ok, we know the Black family like the idea of purebloods only but not enough to join. Think about who Sirius was, Popular and good looking older brother to Regulas. Hard thing to live up to. Mom and Dad thinks Voldemort has a good idea at first so Regulas runs off to join Voldemort. Once a Death Eater he sees what he is asked to do. Voldemort knows the Black family are supporters of him so entrust Regulas to help him hide the locket. If Mom and Dad who support Voldemort's ideas start to get cold feet I can see Regulas doing the same thing. We know Voldemort rarely kills people himself and usually have the Death Eaters do it for him. You have to be real important for him to do it. I do think that Sirius is mistaken that Regulas wasn't important enough for Volemort to kill. I think he betrayed him be stealing the locket and he put a fake one in the cave. I think he took the original locket back to the house of Black to destroy but was found out by Voldemort before he could do it and so the locket is the one that Harry and everyone seen at the house. Where that locket is now is anyones guess. Also the timeline of Regulas death is about the time Harry was born and about the time that Voldemort was parting his soul. Ok I am done rambling for now.

 

[wdwgirl03]

I just finished the book (literally, only a couple minutes ago!). Wow, that was sad. I started to tear up while reading about the funeral. But overall, it was a good book. Too bad the ending was ruined for me before I even read it when I was looking at my sister's online journal (someone posted a comment on it and spoiled the end).

 

[DemonLlama]

Only read the first six pages of this thread before having to post, so forgive if this has been mentioned:

I am convinced Dumbledore had an Unbreakable Vow with Snape. This is why Dumbledore never wavered in his belief in Snape, and why, at the end when he was pleading, he was pleading for Snape to fulfill what third part of their vow involved: to kill him.

This is why Snape's "I AM NOT A COWARD" is so heart wrenching.

It was the hardest thing he has ever done, and he did it for the greater good.

His acceptance of the Unbreakble Vow with Narcissa meant he once again was putting his life on the line, knowing that this vow, in the end, was the same destiny as the one he shared with Dumbledore.

Draco will be redeemed. Snape, in my mind, will be revealed as the greatest twist in the whole series.

I wept and wept at the end of this book. And I'm reading it aloud to my kids (I read ahead) so I'm glad I had the chance to experience it alone.

I intentionally stayed away from spoilers and discussions so I could encounter the book entirely on my own. And I have to say this was the best one yet, from the perspective of a reader who came in with no preconceived expectations. I didn't even read the chapter titles worried I would know too much too soon. It was magnificently plotted.

 

[HollyJoy]

Yet another believer in the DD isn't really dead theory. I believe that he and Snape set it all up. That would be what they were arguing about. Not only does this save Draco, it 'lulls' Voldemort into a 'false sense of security' for lack of a better phrase. All the attention given to those 'soundless spells' has to mean something. I think that as he 'killed' DD, Snape altered his spell, in his mind. Goes along with the whole discussion with Draco about being able to make his death seem real and being able to hide him etc.

My thoughts exactly! The whole 'soundless spells' were very important in this book. I took it as a clue!

 

[Mish19]

I finished reading the book on Wednesday and I just can't believe it. My head was spinning!
I have a few thoughts...I think the Room of Requirement will play a role in book 7. JKR made such a big deal about Harry trying to get in and when he finally did it was like a room of lost treasures. Horcrux there?

My BROTHER told me this one! SEVERUS SNAPE - if you play around with the letters it says PURSUES EVANS. Evans is Lily's maiden name.

Since the freezing spell Dumbledore casted on Harry was lifted after he was killed , can this mean that after a wizard is killed ALL spells get lifted? After LV is killed (I HOPE!) can James and Lily and everyone else possibly come back?

I think Ginny will absolutely not let Harry go, she's loved him too long and too much to just give up. I think Harry and Ginny will be the next Lily and James.

What do you think Dumbledore was being shown as he drak the potion?
"It's all my fault, all my fault, " he sobbed. Please make it stop, I know I did wrong, oh please make it stop and I'll never, never again..."
And again, at the seventh drink..."Don't hurt them, don't hurt them, please, please, it's my fault, hurt me instead."

I get the feeling it's not the children in the cave but the students (specifically the ones fighting the Death Eaters that night) at Hogwarts.

My brother also mentions Harry possibly going through the veil to get Sirius or get him to help (he found that on a spoiler website, so we're not too sure of the validity of that theory). Ok, just read a thread on another message board and now I'm beginning to wonder about Sirius and Harry being able to talk to him. What about those magic mirrors Sirius gave him?
"Harry sank down onto his bed and unwrapped the package. Out fell a small, square mirror. It looked old; it was certainly dirty. Harry held it up to his face and saw his own relection looking back at him."
From OOtP -
"He turned the mirror over. There on the reverse side was a scribbled note from Sirius.

This is a two-way mirror. I've got the other. If you need to speak to me, just say my name into it; you'll appear in my mirror and I'll be able to talk in yours. James and I used to use these when we were in separate detentions. "
Eventhough they didn't work in Book 6, I'm now convinced those mirrors will work in Book 7! Although Sirius never said his face would appear in Harry's mirror, just that he could speak to Harry through it.

Harry noticing a phoenix in the flames is significant. I can't decide whether or not Dumledore is dead. So many things lead us to believe he might not be: the phoenix in the flames, Dumbledore talking up the option of faking a death to Draco, him only seeming to be asleep in the portrait.

All time favorite line is definitely - "I'm not worried Harry, I am with you"

Ok, I'm done for now, unless I start re-reading, which I probably will!

 

[Daxx]

I just finished the book and reading most of these posts. I loved the book -- liked how it was "lighter" than OOTP (no moody Harry, no Umbridge as DADA) even though Dumbledore died and the whole attack on the school happened. The whole nature wasn't as "gloomy" as OOTP was.

Needless to say, the posts here have really made me think and reflect.

Immediately, I thought of the locket in the Black house and the initials RAB belonging to Regulus when the note was found. I'll be surprised if it's not him.

Dumbledore. Unfortunately, I think he is dead, esp. w/the whole portrait thing, the phoenix mourning, etc. I think it was "what had to be done" for the Order and everything else. It was a self-sacrafice.

I was very, very interested in the room of requirement when Harry was looking to ditch his book. With all the items in there, it's the perfect place to keep a horcrux! I kept thinking "boy, I'd love to poke around in that room!" I'm sure it holds a lot of secrets (among other things!).

Snape and Dumbledore -- I think that Dumbledore had an idea of how things were going to play out. I think Dumbledore knew his death was imminent and, since he had such faith and trust in Snape, he might have been in on the whole Narcissa binding thing and knew that Malfoy was out to kill him and knew that it might have to come down to either one killing him in the end. It was his sacrafice for the Order. I think they knew it might have to come to Snape killing Dumbledore (regardless of the binding spell Snape had w/Narcissa). Why else would Dumbledore have asked for Snape over Pomfrey -- esp. seeing how Dumbledore knew that there was the dark mark over the castle. If Dumbledore were afraid for his life, he'd have not asked for Snape.

I was a bit surprised to hear Harry say that he wasn't going to return for year 7 at Hogwarts, although I think he'll be back in some capacity (ie. checking out the room of requirement). It does make me wonder who the new head of Gryffindor house will be. I think we will see Hogwarts -- I think that, somehow, Ginny and a few other familiar faces will be helping out behind the scenes at Hogwarts.

I was hoping to have more info. about Harry's parents. And, I had hoped that we'd get some kind of inside skinny on what Neville's mother giving him the gum wrappers has to do w/the story line. I keep thinking there's something about those gum wrappers!!! I also had hoped to know what Dudley saw when he was attacked by the Dementors.

I think book 7 will be very, very interesting. I enjoyed how Dumbledore took Harry back through memories to know more about Voldemort. I found that whole "office lessons" portions to be very interesting. I had hoped to find out more about Harry's parents this way!!!

Warmly,
Daxx's Wife

 

[Wagamama]

I just finished the book and I have to say, it is definetley NOT my favorite book in the series. It was very un-harry potterish.

 

[golfgal]

Snape was able to make the unbreakable vow with Narcissa because he knew that Dumbledore was going to die one way or the other. Dumbledore knew his time was short, he was 150 years old. He knew the "plan" Voldermort had and this was a way to make sure Snape could get the needed information to the Order in the future, since so many DE's were questioning his loyalty. It will help Harry find at least on Horcurx.

 

[Tinks]

Part 3 of the interview with JKRowling is now up at Mugglenet. It is good reading and she answers many questions (and dodges many more!)

She says the gum wrappers are just wrappers. She explains more on this is the interview. I had hoped that the wrappers were a clue or a sign, too. No such luck!

She states we should be more interested in Dumbledore's family.

She won't answer who else was present when Harry's parents were murdered.

Hmmmm..........

Happy reading!

 

[ophie]

Part 3 of the interview with JKRowling is now up at Mugglenet. It is good reading and she answers many questions (and dodges many more!)

She says the gum wrappers are just wrappers. She explains more on this is the interview. I had hoped that the wrappers were a clue or a sign, too. No such luck!

She states we should be more interested in Dumbledore's family.

She won't answer who else was present when Harry's parents were murdered.

Hmmmm..........

Happy reading!

Here's the link.

 

[ophie]

I just finished the book and I have to say, it is definetley NOT my favorite book in the series. It was very un-harry potterish.

How was it "un-harry potterish?" No flames here... just wondering...

 

[Sparx]

Only the wizards who are afraid of death become ghosts.

I remembered reading that after I posted.

 

[Tinks]

Thanks for posting the link, Ophie. I am severely link-challenged (as well as photo-challenged and just generally all over computer challenged )

 

[ophie]

Not a problem. I hope you guys liked that interview. I thought there were some really interesting parts!

 

[jonestavern]

perhaps someone has noted this...RAB the initials could be 'R' the 1st name, 'B' the middle name and 'A' for the surname, what the arrangement would be when you have anything engraved--
another alternative the 'A' might stand for the word 'and' so as to read "R and B"
thoughts???

Jean

 

[ophie]

perhaps someone has noted this...RAB the initials could be 'R' the 1st name, 'B' the middle name and 'A' for the surname, what the arrangement would be when you have anything engraved--
another alternative the 'A' might stand for the word 'and' so as to read "R and B"
thoughts???

Jean

I don't know about that... that's the standard for a monogram, not for a signature and the note was handwritten and signed with the initials. I'm inclined to think that it's first (R), middle (A), & last (B).

I think the initials, the heavy locket... it's too close for her to trick us with it. I mean, she has the other horcrux to surprise us with. I think she wanted to give us one we could "figure out".

 

[ophie]

Here are the Locket references (US editions) that I could find right off. The wording in the HBP passages are identical, obviously because we know they're the same locket. The OotP passage doesn't describe the color or material of the locket. I think there's another OotP reference but I couldn't find it immediately.

from OotP pg 116

There was a musical box that emitted a fairly sinister, tinkling tune when wound, and they all found themselves becoming curiously weak and sleepy until Ginny had the sense to slam the lid shut; also a heavy locket that none of them could open, a number of ancient seals and, in a dusty box, an Order of Merlin, First Class, that had been awarded to Sirius's grandfather for "Services to the Ministry."

from HBP pg 207

With a howl of rage, Gaunt ran toward his daughter. For a split second, Harry thought he was going to throttle her as his handflew to her throat; next moment, he was dragging her toward Ogden by a gold chain around her neck.

"See this?" he bellowed at Ogden, shaking a heavy gold locket at him, while Merope spluttered and gasped for breath.

from HBP pg 437

She slid back the fine filigree clasp and flipped open the box. There upon the smooth crimson velvet lay a heavy gold locket.

 

[themelbob1190]

I am a Harry Potter fanatic. My mom, happyatdisney reads these boards all the time, and she suggested that I post my thoughts. Well, here they are. Sorry this may be lengthy:

1) R.A.B. : Definately Regulus Black. The note is addressed to Dark Lord (that's what Death Eater's call him). In Book 5, Sirius said Regulus backed out of the Death Eaters, and was killed 15 years ago which was right before Harry's birth. Also, there was the heavy locket that could not be opened in 12 Grimmauld Place.

2) The Other Horcruxes : The Book (destroyed), The Ring (destroyed), The Locket, the Goblet, Nagini, Voldemort himself, and ????. I don't think that it's Harry, because if Harry does destroy himself in the end as a sacrifice, who will kill Voldemort? I do think Voldemort dies in the end. As for the locations of the four leftover, the locket is either with Kreacher, still at 12 Grimmauld Place, or with whoever Mundungus sold it to. I think one is at Hogwarts, Voldemort's favorite place. I think one is in the past, possibly at Godric's Hollow at the night of Harry's death. Nagini is always with Voldemort, and I'm stumped with the final place; maybe the orphanage?.

3) Harry's final Hogwarts year : Well, along with others, I think that Harry will indeed go back to Hogwarts, for atleast part of the time. Remember, Dunbledore's portrait is there, and Harry can still receive help from him there.

4) The 6 : Harry, Ginny, Luna, Neville, Ron, and Hermione. Well, I think the six of them are going to work together to destroy Voldemort. But I'm worried; Harry realized in the end of Book 6 that whoever has tried to protect him has been killed. I hope none of them are, but I think some of them will. Oh, and Ron & Hermione, Harry & Ginny, and Luna & Neville are priceless.

5) Dumbledore and Snape : I think Snape was, and is still on the good side. I think that he had already discussed with Snape about killing him, and I think Dumbledore knew that he was going to die. I think it's kind of the "Star Wars, Obi Won dying to help Luke more" thing. I think Sirius is gone for good, but I think Dumbledore will help Harry more. I think Snape will help finish Voldemort.

6)Final theories : Harry will recieve help from his parents. Aunt Petunia has a bigger part to play. Rufus Scrimgeor (sp) has a bigger part to play. "Godric's Hollow": Harry related to Godric Gryffindor? Harry related to Dumbledore? Fawkes comes back. The "potion" Dumbledore drank made Dumbledore have visions of his loved ones dying (credit to my mom for that one)

any comments for me? I'd love to know what you think.

 

[MrsPete]

Here are the Locket references . . . pg 116 . . . from HBP pg 207 . . . from HBP pg 437

Good research work! I'm sure that the locket at one point was at 12 Grimm. Place. I suspect it's going to be the first "easy to find" horcrux and that Kreature still has it there in his mess.

The Other Horcruxes[/B] : The Book (destroyed), The Ring (destroyed), The Locket, the Goblet, Nagini, Voldemort himself, and ????. .

I still think the sword in Dumbledore's office is the final horcrux. It's the only remaining item known to have belonged to Griffyndor, and Hogwarts would qualify as a "significant place" to hide a horcrux. Dumbledore wasn't aware that the diary was in his school, so I think it's possible that he's unaware of a second horcrux right under his nose. I don't think Harry will find another horcrux at Godric's Hollow because Dumbledore already found the ring hidden there. Furthermore, if the sword is the final item, it could serve to bring the final fight to Hogwarts, which seems the logical place for the series' ending.

5) Dumbledore and Snape : I think Snape was, and is still on the good side . . . I think Snape will help finish Voldemort..

I'm leaning towards thinking Snape is good, but I could argue the opposite quite easily. I think Snape will be a part of the final battle. I think he'll save Harry and die in the process; Harry will realize (too late) that he's misjudged Snape all these years.

Aunt Petunia has a bigger part to play. Rufus Scrimgeor (sp) has a bigger part to play.

I agree that there's something fishy about Petunia. I also don't think that "that awful boy" she overheard talking to her sister was James. I think it was Snape. Rufus -- maybe. JKR didn't bring him here at the end in for no reason, but I can't see any possible "ins" for him -- except that he's close to Percy, who is going to have to make up with his family in book 7.