Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[themelbob1190]

I also don't think that Harry could be a Horcrux. What sense would it make for Voldemort to create a Horcrux in his enemy, the one who can't live while Voldy lives according to the prophesy. So he creates a Horcrux in someone who he hopes to kill, thereby destroying a piece of his own soul? I just don't think that makes any sense.

I agree. I thought that Harry's scar might be a Horcrux, but you're right, it doesn't make any sense UNLESS it was an accidental 8th horcrux... but I don't know. Any thoughts about his scar?

 

[Florida_luvr924]

I don't think that Harry is a horcrux... but I could be wrong!

 

[mickeyfan2]

I agree. I thought that Harry's scar might be a Horcrux, but you're right, it doesn't make any sense UNLESS it was an accidental 8th horcrux... but I don't know. Any thoughts about his scar?

I don't think Harry's scar is an intentional Horcrux. It is possible that is it an accidental 8th, but then Voldy can't die until Harry does.

 

[themelbob1190]

I don't think Harry's scar is an intentional Horcrux. It is possible that is it an accidental 8th, but then Voldy can't die until Harry does.

exactly. which goes along with what I said in a post yeaterday. If Harry or Harry's scar is a horcrux, Harry would have to do 3 things:

1) Destroy the other horcruxes
2) Perform the "Avada Kedavra" curse to Voldemort to destroy his body
3) Then, kill himself.

I hope JKR goes with the "good prevails over evil" theme in the end...

 

[Disney Debbie]

I don't even know if Malfoy even was a Death Eater; it was unclear in the book...

I think he is now because I think that's what we was showing Borgin when he was talking to him about fixing the vanishing cabinet. What else could he have showed him that made him look so scared?

 

[Stacy's a freak]

JKR has said on her website that Neville is not the One. If you have never visited her site, here , it's worth a look - tons of information and little "games" that you have to discover and work out for yourself.

Thanks for the link! I can't wait to check it out *tries ineffectively to pull myself away from the DIS for 2 seconds*

Golfgal, YES! Borgen & Burke's was one of my first thoughts about R.A.B. But then I started to think about Madame Rosmerta - her's was the only name I could think of that starts with "R". But I don't know her last name I also think that there isn't enough background on her to lead us there.

 

[themelbob1190]

I think he is now because I think that's what we was showing Borgin when he was talking to him about fixing the vanishing cabinet. What else could he have showed him that made him look so scared?

yeah now that I think about it, you are right. There just wasn't a lot of closure about Malfoy...

 

[Daxx]

Couldn't the RoR be anything you'd like it to be? Harry needed a place to hide the potions book so it turned into a Hogwarts storage room (with super cool stuff, mind you!), he also needed it to be the meeting/practice room for Dumbledore's Army in GoF.
I mentioned in my previous post that I got the feeling a Horcrux is in there, so I am definitely not arguing this point against you .

Yes, the RoR can be anything that you need/desire it to be ... a place to hold a meeting (Harry's Defense lessons) , a place to work out secret plans (Malfoy) or a place to store things you don't want anyone to see (Harry's potions book and Prof. Trelawny's sherry bottles).

However, I'd imagine that if you needed a room to hide something and so did I, we'd get the same room -- needing the RoR for hiding purposes becomes the same room for everyone, thus the large amount of objects inside of it. So, Harry's hidden potion book, sherry bottles, the horcrux (?), etc. could be all inside the same room. I say *could* b/c we don't know about the horcrux.

No argument -- just supporting what you're saying!

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Finished the book last night. Avoided this thread at all costs.

The HBP as Snape. Geesh, I should have saw that coming a mile away.

 

[momof2OH]

Just making a quick post so I can find this thread easier.

 

[Poohnatic]

Oh.My.God.

The end is horrible. I cried. DH laughed at me and wouldn't believe that the person who died is really dead.

That was my DH's take on it. He seems to think the person who died is really in hiding at 12 Grimmauld and that the HBP was in on it. Still doesn't explain the unbreakable vow, though.

Never did explain the injury. Guess it had to do with the ring. Also, we're pondering why he didn't explain how he destroyed the other horcruxes to Harry.

It was much nicer this time having two copies of the book! Lesson learned, although the next book will require at least three copies!

Suzanne

 

[Deb in IA]

I finally finished too!!!


Wow, the identity of the Half-Blood Prince WAS one of the best-kept secrets!!! I don't think anyone guessed that one!!


I was suspecting that Dumbledore was doomed ever since he visited the Dursley's. Why would he beg them to take Harry back one more time NOW? Why not wait until the end of the term? Unless he knew that he would not make it to the end . . .

 

[Figment22]

I just finished the book yesterday and I've been avoiding this thread prior to completing the book. I've only read through the first 13 pages of the thread so I'm sure I'll be repeating some of what others have said. It's SO good to finally be able to discuss the whole book

I definitely think that Dumbledore is dead. Harry's release from the Body Bind curse sealed it for me. (And as DS12 just mentioned, "If Avada Kedavra didn't kill him, the fall from the tower did." Out of the mouths of babes ) But, we've already seen Dumbledore's portrait in the Headmaster's office (headmistriss??) so there will be future communication, I'm sure. Also, regarding the portrait: Many of the former headmasters have another portrait elsewhere (the Ministry, St. Mungo's, Grimmauld Place). I'll bet Dumbledore will have another portrait somewhere else. And (DS12 again ) what about the Chocolate Frog cards? Perhaps...

I'm in the "Snape is not evil" camp. I believe that Snape willl ultimately be involved in ways to help Harry kill Voldemort, most likely without Harry's knowledge. Dumbledore was asking Snape to kill him. I'm certain of it. I never got the feeling that he was begging Snape not to. And a big thanks to the DISer(s) who mentioned that Snape would be able to read Dumbledore's mind. With both of them being Legillimens, they would have been able to communicate non-verbally. I'm sure Dumbledore was telling Snape to kill him to protect Draco and Snape's Unbreakable Vow to Narcissa. On further thought, Snape most likely did make an Unbreakable Vow with Dumbledore to join the OoTP and help fight Voldemort. What else could have made Dumbledore so certain over the years that Snape was completely trustworthy?

RE Snape and Harry: Snape was still trying to teach Harry right up to the very end telling him he needed to keep his mouth and his mind shut. Snape wouldn't let the Death Eaters kill Harry either. And, backing up a bit, Snape knew that Harry had his old Potions text, at least as far back as Harry using Septumsempra on Draco and yet did nothing about it. He most likely knew as far back as when Slughorn was raving about Harry's Potions ability which Snape knew wasn't the case in the five years prior. I'm sure he allowed Harry continued access to the book to improve his abilities for future fights against Voldemort. You don't always have to love your allies. Harry needs to know this too.

Harry is now heading off to Godric's Hollow. I think there is most likely a Horcrux there. The other thing I was thinking is that although Harry was only one year old at the time of his parents' murders and does not consciously remember the event, that memory would be inside him, would it not? Perhaps he could withdraw it from his mind and via the use of the pensieve, finally see the events of that evening? At least he should be able to see part of it--I believe that James' murder occurred downstairs while Lily and Harry were upstairs, but it would be additional insight into Voldemort's (and Harry's) past.

Oh, and BIG props to the poster who remembered that they found "a heavy locket that none of them could open" at Grimmauld Place while cleaning. (Page 116 of Order of the Phoenix) I'm sure that means that R.A.B is Regulus Black. Now the question is: Where is the locket? Did they dispose of it while cleaning the house or is it still there, perhaps among the "treasures" that Kreacher was storing. Or, did Mundungus pawn it? Should be interesting to see.

I'm sure I'll think of much more as I process all that's in the book over the next couple of days but I just wanted to get my first thoughts down on this thread.

 

[lissawynn]

I haven't had time to read the entire thread, but I finished the book last week. I cried through the last two chapters. I can't wait to discuss this book with my students when school starts.
I have no idea what is in store for us with the final book. Now that Harry has decided not to return to Hogwarts, I wonder if the school and it's character are going to be an integral part of the book. I know we're going to have the last fight between Harry and Voldermort, but the rest is up in the air.
Hope everyone else enjoyed the book as much as I did.

 

[ohanafamily]

OK, I finished it a week ago, but it has taken me longer to start to catch up on this thread... I only made it to page 10 or so, so please bear with me if I add to the repeaters...

I think DD is really dead. My first thought was the potion was a "Suspended animation potion, and DD was coming back. The potion could have been activated by the Avad Kadabra curse...After reading some of the other posts, however, The way Faulkes mourned; DD must be dead.

I also remember 2 references (pardon me for no page numbers) 1 in SS, on the HE Harry opens his first Chocolate Frog Card, it is a picture of DD. Also in OotP, DD is quoted in the Prophet as saying "As long as they don't take me off of the Chocolate Frog Cards". Remember, Some Pictures can talk; Harry literally has DD in his pocket. BTW, Did Harry ever go back for his cloak and the spellbook???? Did Slughorn give him any more good luck potion???

I was shocked with Snape being the HBP, but there were all sotrs of clues left.

How will Snape redeem himself? I think he will die to protect Harry just before Harry makes the final blow. I actually think it will not be Harry alone that makes the final blow; I think Harry and Neville will both do it at the same time...Prophesese can be funny that way...

I think that Harry will spend a little time at the Dursley's, move to No.12GWP, and get some private lessons from Lupin and Tonks. They will help him destroy the locket, and set him on the right path. He will have to wait to get his Aparation license, so he woun't be able to start his quest until almost the start of school. I think that DD will tell him (from a Choc Frog Card) to return to Hogwarts, but he will spend a lot of time away from there. I think that Fred&George will make him a "Utility Belt" of sorts that will seriously aid him in his quest...

OK, some WAS; Neville connects with Luna, Harry uses BuckBeak to travel before he gets his Aparation license, Mondungus gets let out of Azk to help harry find the Horcruxes. I think Harry will borrow godric Griffindor's sword, and as others have speculated, he may even be related to GG. Hmmm, if Ginney had some Ravenclaw and Huffelpuff blood in her, and... OK, I said WAS...

Who will be the new DaDA teacher? Tonks or Shackelbolt???

What I would like to see? Ginney not give up, Umbridge getting her due. I would also like to see Norbert come back, and help Harry with Hagrid and Grorp...

OK, that is enough for now.....

 

[Stacy's a freak]

The other thing I was thinking is that although Harry was only one year old at the time of his parents' murders and does not consciously remember the event, that memory would be inside him, would it not? Perhaps he could withdraw it from his mind and via the use of the pensieve, finally see the events of that evening? At least he should be able to see part of it--I believe that James' murder occurred downstairs while Lily and Harry were upstairs, but it would be additional insight into Voldemort's (and Harry's) past.

Good idea! If there is a horcrux there, this could help him find it

 

[MickeyMonstersMom]

I think that Fred&George will make him a "Utility Belt" of sorts that will seriously aid him in his quest...

I like the idea (love the Twins!). I just had to share, though, the sudden mental image of a 007 moment... "and here, Mr. Potter, is another device you may find extremely useful..."

 

[Daxx]

I also remember 2 references (pardon me for no page numbers) 1 in SS, on the HE Harry opens his first Chocolate Frog Card, it is a picture of DD. Also in OotP, DD is quoted in the Prophet as saying "As long as they don't take me off of the Chocolate Frog Cards". Remember, Some Pictures can talk;

I don't think the chocolate frog cards "talk" as the portraits do ... however, they may be used to communicate in some other way! Maybe send a "signal" like the coins that Harry and the DA used? That's a good thought!

BTW, Did Harry ever go back for his cloak and the spellbook????

He didn't go back for the potions book. I looked to see if it was written anywhere that he went back for his invisibility cloak, but I didn't see anything. I did a quick skim of the chapter where the school was attacked but didn't go beyond that. Anyway, I doubt he would have left the invisibility cloak behind.

Did Slughorn give him any more good luck potion???

No, Slughorn didn't give Harry any more good luck potion. Harry gave the remainder of his potion to Ron, Hermione and Ginny (maybe Neville?) before he left for the cave.

What I would like to see? Umbridge getting her due.

Boy, oh boy ... I would love to see this, too!!!!! She deserves it big time!!!!

I was hoping for some insight on the Drooble's Best Blowing Gum wrappers that Neville's mother kept giving him in the St. Mungo's. Maybe we'll find out more in Book 7?

 

[ophie]

I also remember 2 references (pardon me for no page numbers) 1 in SS, on the HE Harry opens his first Chocolate Frog Card, it is a picture of DD. Also in OotP, DD is quoted in the Prophet as saying "As long as they don't take me off of the Chocolate Frog Cards". Remember, Some Pictures can talk; Harry literally has DD in his pocket.

Actually no... Bill says that about DD jokingly. It's not a direct quote. And we've never seen the Frog Cards talk.

I was hoping for some insight on the Drooble's Best Blowing Gum wrappers that Neville's mother kept giving him in the St. Mungo's. Maybe we'll find out more in Book 7?

JKR confirmed in an interview that there's no hidden significance to the wrappers.

 

[Daxx]

JKR confirmed in an interview that there's no hidden significance to the wrappers.

Thanks! I had not heard that and have been wondering about it for awhile. I thought *for sure* there *had* to be something going on w/those stinking wrappers!!

Darn! I had hoped there'd be more to it. I'm kind of disappointed now!

Warmly,
Daxx's Wife