Guest Assistance Cards ending, to be replaced with Fastpasses?

Lol, you can't exactly send a "hug" to a posted called mrromance but a huge high five to you and your family and wishes of wonderful memories to be made!

:goodvibes - Thank you!

I just hate to see people beating Disney up over this. My kids love their time at Disney World and they get to do everything the want to do. If we all be honest with ourselves and more importantly keep our focus on what our disabled children are capable of rather than constantly claiming what they can't do, everyone will benefit from the new system.
 
Thanks sue, does that guide book explain how to approach each ride. Thunder mountain I know you use the exit area. And pirates of the Caribbean I need to switch her to a wheelchair but not sure of the others. I was hesitant about using magic bands but now i think this will be helpful.

It's actually a special park map. I can't post a link right now, but you can find a link in the disABILITIES FAQs thread near the top of the disABILITIES Board.
 
It's actually a special park map. I can't post a link right now, but you can find a link in the disABILITIES FAQs thread near the top of the disABILITIES Board.

Their no better resource for guest with disabilities then sueM in min and kpeveler. Their no guide book that can match sues hard work she done with the disabilities FAQ thread. Not even disney own web site will have as much info no other site has as much or cares as much as sueM in min and kpeveler. Then throw on top of that great disers that can give real world experiences and your all set you don't need a guide book all you need it to be a member of disboards and visit te best forum on disboards the disabilities forum.


The disunplugged is great to their second
 
This morning I updated my TR. As I reflected over the magic and pixie dust it occurred to me that the GAC was not responsible for any of that magic. It was cast members who didn't even know about ds's GAC who were.

There are so many unknowns about the new system that to say something, I'm purely speculating. I do have one concern though. Will getting a return time mean more time exposed to the heat? None of us know that at this time so that is something that will have to wait until Oct 9th to be answered.

I do like the idea of kiosks. It will be easier to get a return time from a kiosk instead of going to an attraction, getting a time, leaving said attraction, and returning later. Universal's system was very confusing to ds at first. It was not logical to him to go to an attraction, leave and come back.
 

It is with hesitance that I chime in as I am sure my opinion will not be the popular one. Frank, I thought your posts were well said. It is an honest and respectful voice from the "other" side of the argument. "MrRomance" I thought what you said was also bang on.

My son who is now 17, has been going to WDW since he was 3. Many of our trips from 3-9 years I was solo with him. He has Autism, Bi Polar, Sensory issues, and a few other things thrown in for good measure! We continued to go to Disney year after year, often more than once a year, because as he put it in later years "Disney makes me feel normal". Part of this was the GAC, but it was also the cast members as well. We have had more than our fair share of freak outs and melt downs. One time I had to sit in the middle of main street holding his head while he screamed and cried so he would stop banging it off the ground...as the fireworks ended. He was 5, he couldn't deal with the crowds. A CM saw us, 4 of them created a protective cocoon around us. They stood with their backs to us out of respect, while everyone else stared in judgement. These weren't security or supervisors, one was crowd control, she then called 2 grounds keepers and someone from the popcorn stand to assist. You see it is not policy, or the GAC or corporate rules that made our experience so wonderful. It was the many, many cast members we would meet trip after trip that went above and beyond what was required.

Disney is where he learned to make eye contact and strike up an appropriate conversation with others--he did this through Pin Trading. It is where he learned to order his own meal in a restaurant. It is where he started to learn about money and budgeting with his $10 a day for souvenir's!

The thing is I believe any accommodation my son gets should be to level the playing field, to give him the same access as everyone else. Nothing less, nothing more. We used the GAC for years when we needed it and eventually weaned him off of it. Not always, but often the GAC gave us an advantage over other guests. We could walk on through the fast pass line, or through an exit. We didn't ask for this, but it was readily provided. Other times it allowed us a quiet place to wait for an attraction or character meet. Sometimes we waited longer than we would have otherwise, but we needed that separate place to wait.

Disney's GAC system took on a life of its own. It went far and beyond what was required and what was being done by anyone else. I also believe it evolved beyond its original purpose. There is a reason many of us take our special needs children and family members to Disney, there is no other place we can go that does what they do. I have travelled with my son to many different places as he has gotten older, most make no accommodations for us at all. Even with the proposed changes, Disney will be head and shoulders above what others are doing.

Eventually, we started taking the GAC away for one attraction at a time until we started not getting it at all. Like any accommodation he has had since he was 3 years old until now at 17...we use it while we need it or until he starts to treat the accommodation as a crutch. I refuse to allow him to get the sense of "entitlement" I have seen in other families we know. His conditions are not an excuse for anything, sometimes an explanation but never an excuse!

Typically we need an accommodation until we find a way for him to develop the necessary skill. He can learn most anything, it sometimes takes us longer to get there, or we have to figure out a different way to do it. He may never learn the skill to the same level as his peers or be able to practice the skill without reminders and modelling....but that's okay. My job is to prepare him for the real world as not everywhere in the real world is prepared for him!

Thank you so much for posting this. I had tears in my eyes.:goodvibes I am bringing my ASD DS7 in November and am hoping for this exposure to provide some improvement as well...even if I do have to be sitting in the middle of Main Street somewhere in that trip! And his comment ""Disney makes me feel normal"...I just love it. :cloud9: I can tell I would love him to pieces!
 
Thank you so much for posting this. I had tears in my eyes.:goodvibes I am bringing my ASD DS7 in November and am hoping for this exposure to provide some improvement as well...even if I do have to be sitting in the middle of Main Street somewhere in that trip! And his comment ""Disney makes me feel normal"...I just love it. :cloud9: I can tell I would love him to pieces!

Tracey was far too modest to mention it but you may want to listen to her son talk about his Disney experience. It is one of the best DISUnplugged (or any Disney-related) podcasts, ever.

http://www.wdwinfo.com/podcast/roundtable313-072711-ben.mp3
 
:goodvibes - Thank you!

I just hate to see people beating Disney up over this. My kids love their time at Disney World and they get to do everything the want to do. If we all be honest with ourselves and more importantly keep our focus on what our disabled children are capable of rather than constantly claiming what they can't do, everyone will benefit from the new system.

I love this post so much. My daughter has a heart defect which is somewhat corrected by a pacemaker implanted when she was four days old. While there is always the possibility that she'll have other complications, right now she just has to avoid powerful magnets and airport security scanners (and since she's only 20 months old, it means mommy gets the pat down, too). I've had a few relatives say things like, "well, maybe she'll play the piano or sing since she probably won't be able to play sports." Don't set limits on my child. Her body may set them at some point and I realize that. But I don't want other people to do it for her.
 
It's actually a special park map. I can't post a link right now, but you can find a link in the disABILITIES FAQs thread near the top of the disABILITIES Board.

Here is the link to the maps that show the disability entrances (go to post #3): http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=595713

Question for you SueM: For those rides that state to either obtain a fastpass, enter an alternative entrance or see host, do we (those that are wheelchair bound, that is) need to bother with obtaining the DAS pass for these rides? I would think that we could just approach the CM and they would direct us to the alternate entrance like they did pre-DAS. Thanks.

 
Thank you so much for posting this. I had tears in my eyes.:goodvibes I am bringing my ASD DS7 in November and am hoping for this exposure to provide some improvement as well...even if I do have to be sitting in the middle of Main Street somewhere in that trip! And his comment ""Disney makes me feel normal"...I just love it. :cloud9: I can tell I would love him to pieces!

My best advice is to enjoy and celebrate what you do get to experience and don't count the things you can't do. Even if it is sitting on a bench watching the day go by, it is an experience!! Some of our favorite moments were made interacting with cast members in the middle of the day when everyone was running from attraction to attraction!

Have a wonderful trip!!!
 
Glad to see Disney is finally doing something to combat the fraud.

Very surprised at those that are upset at losing GAC as unlimited fastpass and feel entitled to that perk. I have MS and feel it is my responsibility to plan my trips and park days around my illness. I do not expect the lines to part for me and had not even heard of GAC on my last trip.

Disney is a private company that goes well out of their way for special needs guests, give them a break and let them at least roll out the new program.

If we do not like the way the new program works, we are all free to choose a different vacation destination.
 
I just wanted to say Thank You! these stories are exactly what I expected to hear. I have said before that I don't have any children but I have worked with children with disabilities, my cousins twins, I spent the summer with them as a nanny. The stories some of you have told have warmed my heart. I am a teacher and wish this is how all parents with disabilities felt. The stories about your son learning to make eye contact, I can only imagine how amazing that accomplishment was for you and your family! Thank all of you for sharing your stories!

For those who think this won't work for your child, wait until you try the system. Don't go in expecting it not to work. As I learned throughout my years learning to become a teacher, children will only achieve as high as you expect them. If you set the bar low, they will only achieve that. If you set the bar high for them, they want to please you! They want to show you what they can do! Children can sense how you feel about something, if you think it won't work they will make sure it doesn't work for you. But if you want it to work you and your child will find a way.
 
My best advice is to enjoy and celebrate what you do get to experience and don't count the things you can't do. Even if it is sitting on a bench watching the day go by, it is an experience!! Some of our favorite moments were made interacting with cast members in the middle of the day when everyone was running from attraction to attraction!

Have a wonderful trip!!!

Yes, that's definitely great advice! Of course we have to try to balance the day out to make his 2 younger siblings happy also, which could be tricky if he feels he is missing out. I am letting each child pick out one thing in each park that is their favorite and we will work on making that a priority. (I'm hoping for some overlap) ;) I'm sure we will be splitting up a lot just to make everyone happy, but there are also plenty of things to do at Disney that we should be able to do together, that everyone can enjoy. :grouphug:
 
I just wanted to say Thank You! these stories are exactly what I expected to hear. I have said before that I don't have any children but I have worked with children with disabilities, my cousins twins, I spent the summer with them as a nanny. The stories some of you have told have warmed my heart. I am a teacher and wish this is how all parents with disabilities felt. The stories about your son learning to make eye contact, I can only imagine how amazing that accomplishment was for you and your family! Thank all of you for sharing your stories!

For those who think this won't work for your child, wait until you try the system. Don't go in expecting it not to work. As I learned throughout my years learning to become a teacher, children will only achieve as high as you expect them. If you set the bar low, they will only achieve that. If you set the bar high for them, they want to please you! They want to show you what they can do! Children can sense how you feel about something, if you think it won't work they will make sure it doesn't work for you. But if you want it to work you and your child will find a way.


I could not agree more with you :goodvibes It's hard to keep pushing so much, but when you see the amazing end results - there's absolutely nothing like it in the world!!!!
 
I could not agree more with you :goodvibes It's hard to keep pushing so much, but when you see the amazing end results - there's absolutely nothing like it in the world!!!!

I do agree with you completely. Of course, going on a vacation like this with a child with autism, in itself, is a push. For the whole family for that matter!But the assistance SHOULD be used as needed, not just assumed from the start. Since we have never been to Disney before, it was nice to know there was that option, if we needed it. Hopefully this new plan works out just as well as others have said the last one did. I'm sure Disney has put a lot of thought into and everyone will be happy with it. Except of course the abusers of the system that caused this in the first place, naturally!
 
I've lost track so I apologize for not quoting. Originally I hated the kiosk idea for families, so much running around. But the fact that you don't go to the ride and leave seems big when dealing with expectations. Picking up fp's was always tough on my kids when they were little.

To clarify, we don't use the gac. I have told many parents with whom I am involved about the program over the years however.
 
:wave2:
Tracey was far too modest to mention it but you may want to listen to her son talk about his Disney experience. It is one of the best DISUnplugged (or any Disney-related) podcasts, ever.

http://www.wdwinfo.com/podcast/roundtable313-072711-ben.mp3

O.K., I am so watching this...am I going to be crying by the end of it?


We've been deciding on whether or not to do Fantasmic too, and have been watching it on youtube.com to prepare. : ) Glad to know he ended up liking it. We have definitely been planning on skipping Dinosaur and Bug's Life though!
I'm also going to have my husband listen to this to talk him into bringing the stroller. I agree, longer trips are way better so you can relax for much of the time, especially with 3 kiddos!
I loved hearing your son's input Tracey! He is so amazing! Tell him I said THANK YOU! :wave2:
I can't wait to see how my son responds to everything in November! I know there will be rough spots but I am so feeling positive now. :)
 
I've lost track so I apologize for not quoting. Originally I hated the kiosk idea for families, so much running around. But the fact that you don't go to the ride and leave seems big when dealing with expectations. Picking up fp's was always tough on my kids when they were little.

To clarify, we don't use the gac. I have told many parents with whom I am involved about the program over the years however.

Yes, I had mentioned that and probably others as well. That aspect will work well for us.
 
O.K., I am so watching this...am I going to be crying by the end of it?

Nah! It's not a tear jerker. I was amazed at how well he was able to articulate what he feels. We heard from a lot of families that benefitted from what Ben had to say. It's just our story, many families have the same stories to tell. We were just lucky to have the opportunity to do it.
 
Nah! It's not a tear jerker. I was amazed at how well he was able to articulate what he feels. We heard from a lot of families that benefitted from what Ben had to say. It's just our story, many families have the same stories to tell. We were just lucky to have the opportunity to do it.

Oh, but I'm a sap. I did cry. :) I edited my last response with comments...again tell Ben I said THANKS!
 
I'll preface this by saying that I haven't used the GAC system, although we had been planning on it for our 2014 trip. I'm traveling with two adults with mobility issues as well as one with severe COPD (will probably be on oxygen by our trip).

In some ways I don't feel like I have a horse currently in this race, as we're going off-peak and shouldn't really face long lines and mobility issues (ie being able to use wheelchairs entrances on the attractions that don't use the main queues) are not affected by what I can tell. So in the grand scheme this change is not going to really affect our party's trip/WDW experience.

But what I can say is that I despise the idea of "special kiosks" just for those with disabilities. What a complete lack of privacy and discretion that creates. If they want to incorporate the DAS into the FastPass+ kiosks then fine, but to single folks out at "special" kiosks isn't right.

What's going to be interesting to watch unfold in all this is whether or not the number of people/families with disabilities screaming and complaining about the new system outnumber the non-disabled people screaming about the old GAC abuse. I think it's going to come down to dollars and cents - if Disney starts losing revenue because of the new system (ie families choosing to go elsewhere on vacation where they don't have the hassle) then I think we'll see a pretty quick return to the old system.
 




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