Guest Assistance Cards ending, to be replaced with Fastpasses?

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Deleted. Sorry was thinking and responding when you posted. :)

Eta: it wasn't mean or anything was just thinking out my reasoning
 
Didn't lose the point. When someone says that they lose all credibility in my eyes. It is disrespectful regardless of the rationalization.

With that many meltdowns a day it seems to not be a very healthy place for the client, btw.

well we closed institutions and shared homes many years ago here in the uk and believe people are allowed in society, and if they need a little more understanding and compassion surely we as humans can give that. i am the last person who wants anyone to be shouted at or swore at etc and that is why the old system worked for some, it meant that you never saw anything that took away from disney magic. we were in and out before anyone knew we had been on. it works perfectly in france and there has never been complaints from people, if anything when boarding you can see by the way some people look at the client they feel a lot of compassion and probably the old saying ''there but for the grace of god'' flashes across their minds
 

well we closed institutions and shared homes many years ago here in the uk and believe people are allowed in society, and if they need a little more understanding and compassion surely we as humans can give that. i am the last person who wants anyone to be shouted at or swore at etc and that is why the old system worked for some, it meant that you never saw anything that took away from disney magic. we were in and out before anyone knew we had been on. it works perfectly in france and there has never been complaints from people, if anything when boarding you can see by the way some people look at the client they feel a lot of compassion and probably the old saying ''there but for the grace of god'' flashes across their minds
God's grace isn't a factor. Because I don't think I warrant it anymore than anyone else.

I work with people every day of the week. Some physically, some emotionally and some spiritually affected. So compassion isn't my issue here. You made an exceedingly rude statement. Your client isn't the only person in need. My 80 year old mom doesn't deserve less than your schizophrenic. So don't tell her To go to hell because you think your client deserves all the consideration.
 
It's probably best to wait and see what actually happens before getting so worked up. No one is 100% sure how this is going to work exactly, so hurling insults at people isn't going to help. If anyone wants to be angry at someone, direct your anger towards the thousands of people who used the GAC without actually needing it because that is why Disney is making these changes.
 
God's grace isn't a factor. Because I don't think I warrant it anymore than anyone else.

I work with people every day of the week. Some physically, some emotionally and some spiritually affected. So compassion isn't my issue here. You made an exceedingly rude statement. Your client isn't the only person in need. My 80 year old mom doesn't deserve less than your schizophrenic. So don't tell her To go to hell because you think your client deserves all the consideration.

Well put:thumbsup2
 
Since this is the podcast forum I want to encourage all of you that haven't done so yet to please watch/listen to the 9/24/2013 podcast where the DISboard owner and administrators discuss their thoughts and opinions on the discontinuation of the GAC and the new DAS. I am sure it will be a podcast discussion again once the new DAS has been implemented. Good discussion Pete and crew! I have the highest respect for your thoughts and opinions.
 
I don't think I've seen Autism Speaks response posted yet. Here is the link http://www.autismspeaks.org/news/news-item/autism-speaks-responds-disney-policy-change

We have participated in the local Autism Speaks walks to raise funds for the organization in the past. However we have never seen any local benefit from those funds. I wish Disney would have also consulted with the Autism Society of America an organization that has arranged many regular social experiences throughout the USA for those on the autism spectrum, the sensory friendly movie Saturdays for example. But I am happy that Disney did consult with someone.
 
God's grace isn't a factor. Because I don't think I warrant it anymore than anyone else.

I work with people every day of the week. Some physically, some emotionally and some spiritually affected. So compassion isn't my issue here. You made an exceedingly rude statement. Your client isn't the only person in need. My 80 year old mom doesn't deserve less than your schizophrenic. So don't tell her To go to hell because you think your client deserves all the consideration.

I never once said that anyones disability was greater than anyone elses, if you are deemed to be disabled for whatever reason then that's which way it is. and when my 75yo dad visits with us as a family we have never used a gac even though he walks with sticks, he can manage and believes that the gac should be for the less able. the by way, your comment ''your schizophrenic'' speaks volumes
 
Yet they raise ticket prices to start on a Sunday,a busy day,,,hummm

They ALWAYS raise ticket prices on a weekend. I'm not sure how busy it is matters with ticket prices...they even might want the boost. :)

But with a new system going into place that may cause confusion on both ends, you probably don't want to do it at a peak time...also why they are rolling out MagicBands/Fastpass+ to a few resorts each week.
 
It's sad when what had been a very illuminating thread degenerates into name calling.
 
It's sad when what had been a very illuminating thread degenerates into name calling.
I agree. There is no reason for it.
There was already a warning by one of the Moderators of this board.

If poster don't play nice, this thread will end up closed like the ones on other boards have.
I'll preface this by saying that I haven't used the GAC system, although we had been planning on it for our 2014 trip. I'm traveling with two adults with mobility issues as well as one with severe COPD (will probably be on oxygen by our trip).

In some ways I don't feel like I have a horse currently in this race, as we're going off-peak and shouldn't really face long lines and mobility issues (ie being able to use wheelchairs entrances on the attractions that don't use the main queues) are not affected by what I can tell. So in the grand scheme this change is not going to really affect our party's trip/WDW experience.

But what I can say is that I despise the idea of "special kiosks" just for those with disabilities. What a complete lack of privacy and discretion that creates. If they want to incorporate the DAS into the FastPass+ kiosks then fine, but to single folks out at "special" kiosks isn't right.

What's going to be interesting to watch unfold in all this is whether or not the number of people/families with disabilities screaming and complaining about the new system outnumber the non-disabled people screaming about the old GAC abuse. I think it's going to come down to dollars and cents - if Disney starts losing revenue because of the new system (ie families choosing to go elsewhere on vacation where they don't have the hassle) then I think we'll see a pretty quick return to the old system.
I do not know for sure, but think the eventual plan is to incorporate the DAS information into Magicbands. That possibility is a long way out though (especially for DL where Fastpass Plus and RFID are not started yet).

Most theme parks are using a similar system, so not going to WDW won't necessarily mean people can find what they think is a more 'friendly' spot to go.

The news media has been playing up the abuse, but Disney has been working on this for a long time.
When we first started going to WDW with someone using a wheelchair in the mid 1980s, we could sometimes go a whole day (or even 2) without seeing anyone else using a wheelchair. That has changed - the US is aging and many people who can manage the short distances of their regular day can't walk the 5-9 miles that a WDW trip involves.
There are people with disabilities who would have never considered a trip to WDW who go now. So - more people who need assistance. From what people read on the Internet, many of them expected to use a GAC means no wait, but it was not designed to do that and often did not.
All that leads to situations like shown on video of this line at Toy Story Mania

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q464fj...top_uri=/watch?v=q464fj2r-YI&feature=youtu.be

These are not fakers or scammers. These are people who, for one reason or another can't do the stairs in the regular line ( the stairs are past the point where Fastpass and regular line join).
There is one ride car loaded at that accessible loading area per ride cycle, so once a line builds up, it takes a long time to handle all those people. (Sometimes, they are running 2 cars there, but that only means loading 2 per cycle, still leaving a long wait).
If they keep the GAC like it currently is or if they decided to require proof, it would not change the situations like shown in the video. There is no way for the attraction to handle that many people who show up randomly. The new system will help to even out flows like that.

Unfortunately FW is one of the last going live, on October 21st.

The reports are that it is supposed to take effect at both resorts on the 9th, but it is a little vague.
Disney has publicly said the new DAS program will start on both coasts on October 9, so that is confirmed.
Why would they start the new system in the middle of the week?
I'm guessing there are a couple of reasons.
1) middle of the week is less busy and there are more staff not working in the middle of the week that they can schedule for the roll out
2) at WDW, Food and Wine at Epcot makes weekends there very busy.
3) at DL, weekends are busier with AP holders.
We have participated in the local Autism Speaks walks to raise funds for the organization in the past. However we have never seen any local benefit from those funds. I wish Disney would have also consulted with the Autism Society of America an organization that has arranged many regular social experiences throughout the USA for those on the autism spectrum, the sensory friendly movie Saturdays for example. But I am happy that Disney did consult with someone.
I have on good authority that Disney is/did work with both Autism Speaks and Autism Society of America.
Autism Speaks in a more vocal organization in general; I know people who have gone to sensory friendly movies, but had no idea Autism Society of America was even involved in setting those up.
But seeing the outcry against Autism Speaks about the DAS, I would not blame any organization that decides not to talk about their involvement.
 
I have on good authority that Disney is/did work with both Autism Speaks and Autism Society of America.
Autism Speaks in a more vocal organization in general; I know people who have gone to sensory friendly movies, but had no idea Autism Society of America was even involved in setting those up.
But seeing the outcry against Autism Speaks about the DAS, I would not blame any organization that decides not to talk about their involvement.

That is wonderful Sue! Thank you for posting this. I always think it is best to involve more than one authority for advice and it seems Disney had done just that. I remain optimistic about the new system and look forward to reading actual experiences once it is implemented.
 
That is wonderful Sue! Thank you for posting this. I always think it is best to involve more than one authority for advice and it seems Disney had done just that. I remain optimistic about the new system and look forward to reading actual experiences once it is implemented.
I think there are still too many unreleased points to know how the actual program will work.
My feeling is that it will be more consistent which will benefit everyone in the long run.

This was written in response to a thread that was becoming argumentative about what people with disabilities need and arguments that some disabilities were more deserving of assistance than others; I felt it made sense to repeat it here.

Six Blind Men and An Elephant: A Fable

A long time ago in India there lived six men who had all been blind since birth; they would compete with each other to see who could tell the tallest story and each always thought that he was correct.

One day, they fell to arguing. The object of their dispute was the elephant. Now, since each was blind, none had ever seen an elephant. So, to satisfy their minds and settle the dispute, they decided to try to find an elephant.

Having hired a young guide, they set out early one morning in single file along the forest trail. It was not long before they came to a forest clearing where a huge bull elephant, quite tame, was standing.

The six blind men became quite excited; at last they would satisfy their minds. Each of the men took turns to investigate the elephant's shape and form. Since all were blind and the elephant was large, none of them could tell what the whole elephant was like. Each came to a different part and felt that part to tell the others what the elephant was like.

The first man felt the side of the elephant and cried out, 'O my brothers, an elephant is like a great mud wall baked hard in the sun.'

The second man felt the tusk and said, 'Now, my brothers, I can tell you what shape this elephant is - he is exactly like a spear.'

The third man felt the tail and shouted, 'Why, dear brothers, you are wrong. This elephant is very much like a rope.'

The fourth man was at the head and as he moved his hands, he reached the trunk. He said, 'Ha, are you sure you are feeling an elephant. He is not at all the way you describe. This elephant is very much like a snake.'

The others began to argue that their view was correct.

The fifth man, who was also at the head of the elephant, reached the ear and said, 'Good gracious, brothers, even a blind man can see what shape the elephant resembles most. Why he's just like a fan or maybe a palm leaf.'

At last, it was the turn of the sixth old fellow, who was near the leg. As he felt it, he said, 'Brothers, all of you are wrong. This sturdy pillar, feels exactly like the trunk of a large palm tree.'

Of course, no one believed him, because they had all their own view of the elephant and were sure their view was the correct one.

Their curiosity satisfied, they all linked hands and followed the guide back to the village. Once there, the six blind men began arguing loud and long. Each now had his own opinion, firmly based on his own experience, of what an elephant is really like. For after all, each had felt the elephant for himself and knew that he was right!
Although each was right about the part of the elephant HE had felt, none of the blind men had a complete picture of the elephant.
They continued to argue because none of them would admit that possibly there was a different view of the elephant than they had.


Like the 6 blind men, each person has their own view of "disability" or what "using a wheelchair" means, based on their experience.
Some people realize that their view is not the only view and are able to see that some guests might have different needs than they do and what works well for them may not work at all for another guest.

Like the arguing blind men, some guests see their view as the only view and can't see that someone else may have different needs.

People do not come here to argue and arguements or telling other posters how they should feel about their disability are not helpful.
This is a support and information board, not a place to argue.
 
In my own (not honest) opinion,,Disney (or any company) should be able to deal with anything,,busy or not. And if they can't then I say something is wrong.
 












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