For you smokers out there......

[JimMIA]

I agree with you on the posting guidelines, Chuck. I've started to post on this thread several times, but some of the posts were so blatantly stupid, I found I couldn't answer them without violating our guidelines. I can see from the decrease in replies that others have had the same problem.

 

[smjj]

A little fact about Walt Disney himself....

"He generally had a cigarette in his hands; for years he preferred unfiltered Lucky Strikes. Later, he smoked strong French cigarettes called Gitanes. He passed away on December 16, 1966." quoted from Justdisney.com

If it was OK with Walter Elias Disney himself to smoke at Disney then this case is closed....

This thread should be locked!

This thread should not be closed. Its the only one open that allow this topic to be discussed. Others about smoking are often moved here. If other posters would simple follow the rules, it could go on. As to Walt smoking, I aggree with the others here. If Walt knew then what we know now and was still in charge, I am sure WDW would already be smoke free....smjj

 

[greenban]

I would suggest we pass around the peacepipe, but I'm sure that would offend:

Non-Smokers,
Native Americans
Saliva Phobics
Rinkwide for not saying it first
People who believe they know WWWD! (What Would Walt Do)
Christians for my WWWD crack,
and the list goes on!

So may I suggest that we all play nice?

-Tony

 

[colleen costello]

I still think much of the fault for all these issues is Disney's. Smokers and non-smokers are NEVER going to get along, and I think it is up to the company to at least TRY and separate them. Right now it is hard to know where to go to avoid one another! We are just back from a week at Beach Club Villas and we spent most of our pool time moving around to try to get away from smokers. We didn't say anything mean or make looks, we just moved -- and it got old fast! More than once we moved from men with CIGARS... I can't even imagine how cigar smokers don't realize how offensive THAT smoke is to other people. If Disney would just designate an area or two at each pool as "smoking permitted," my allergic group would know what place to avoid.

The limits on smoking in the parks are failing miserably. We were at the MK one night and I could not believe how many people were smoking, all over. After the cover of darkness they must think no one can see them so it's OK... We were walking in crowds of people tight together and you could smell all the smoke and see the lit cigarettes. I am sensitive to this in crowds because a friend's son was burned by a cigarette at our County Fair. Of course there were also the thoughtful folks smoking in designated areas, but the "cheaters" were everywhere. My family is just hoping that the State of Florida will limit smoking in all public areas, because Disney is way too wimpy on this issue.

 

[WOW]

I can't believe the anger of some of the posts on this forum......now I know that smoke can be a real nuisance and a health issue for many people, but to make nasty comments and grouping posts as smokers being ignorant people really is uncalled for.....the people who are making these comments should look at themselves and wonder why they would say such things. Shame on them!!! Do they really think that comments like that are going to help their cause????

I know many many people who smoke and are ALWAYS considerate!!! When we are at the parks, we hardly ever see anyone smoking....we go about 4 to 5 times a year.

 

[prez65]

This thread should not be closed. Its the only one open that allow this topic to be discussed. Others about smoking are often moved here. If other posters would simple follow the rules, it could go on. As to Walt smoking, I aggree with the others here. If Walt knew then what we know now and was still in charge, I am sure WDW would already be smoke free....smjj

I was just being sarcastic!

Now I am going to start selling bumper stickers that say:

"What Would Walt Do?"

Anyone want one........Let me know....They come from a smoker in a smoke free house...

 

[BensMom]

I can't believe the anger of some of the posts on this forum......now I know that smoke can be a real nuisance and a health issue for many people, but to make nasty comments and grouping posts as smokers being ignorant people really is uncalled for.....the people who are making these comments should look at themselves and wonder why they would say such things. Shame on them!!! Do they really think that comments like that are going to help their cause????

I know many many people who smoke and are ALWAYS considerate!!! When we are at the parks, we hardly ever see anyone smoking....we go about 4 to 5 times a year.

I AM SO GLAD SOMEONE READ MY POST BEFORE IT WAS DELETED! We are there four or five times A WEEK, and lots of people smoke, where they are not supposed to. I guess four or five times a year just isn't enough time to see how bad it is.

Finally, I believe cast members are telling people to get where they need to be. Either they don't have enough signs posted or people just don't seem to care in desperation of their addictions.

 

[BensMom]

When Walt smoked, it was supposed to be "good for you." They were giving soldiers in the wars cigarrettes to make them feel better! Nowadays, w know better, don't we?

 

[DVCconvert]

Posted by WOW:

.....look at themselves and wonder why they would say such things.....

Some folks like in this book have difficulty dealing with differences between people and find some sort of 'relief' - like the primary character in the book, by seeking attention from others.

 

[DVCPAT]

When Walt smoked, it was supposed to be "good for you." They were giving soldiers in the wars cigarrettes to make them feel better! Nowadays, w know better, don't we?

Remember that old song written in 1947…..

Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette
Puff, puff, puff until you smoke yourself to death.

Tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate
That you hate to make him wait,
But you just gotta have another cigarette.

In a game of chance the other night
Old dame fortune was good and right
The kings and queens they kept on comin' around

Aw, I was hittin' em good and bettin' 'em high
But my bluff didn't work on a certain guy
He kept callin' and layin' his money down

See, he'd raise me then I'd raise him
and I'd say to him buddy ya gotta sink or swim
Finally called me but didn't raise the bet!

--Hmmph! I said Aces Full Pal -- I got you!
He said, "I'll pay up in a minute or two
But right now, i just gotta have another cigarette."

 

[Caskbill]

News: Marriott is going to go 100% non-smoking rooms in their chain of hotel brands, effective Oct 15th.

Check Here

Maybe WDW and DVC will do the same?????

 

[roelongo]

Here's an email I got from Marriott. I wonder if Disney and DVC will follow:

Dear :

In order to accommodate the preferences of the vast majority of our guests, all Marriott® hotels in the United States and Canada will become 100% smoke-free by October 15, 2006.

This is the industry's largest move to a smoke-free environment and includes over 2,300 hotels and corporate apartments under the
Marriott, JW Marriott®, Renaissance®, Courtyard®, Fairfield Inn®, SpringHill Suites®, Residence Inn®, TownePlace Suites® and
Marriott ExecuStay® brands. The new policy includes all guest rooms, restaurants, lounges, meeting rooms, public spaces, and employee work areas.

Currently more than 90 percent of Marriott guest rooms are already non-smoking, and smoking is prohibited in many public spaces due to local laws. Designated smoking areas will be made available outside of the hotel for our guests who smoke.

This policy will enhance the level of service and care we can offer our guests. We hope to see you soon in our new smoke-free hotel environment.

For more information, click here.

 

[Chuck S]

I doubt DVC will go smoke free unless all WDW resorts go smoke free. And since that hasn't happened (yet), I'm thinking Disney is waiting for a state law to take the monkey off their back. Remember, WDW is an international resort destination, and smoking, while decreasing overseas, is still not met with the cultural disdain there that smoking has achieved in the US.

 

[rinkwide]

...WDW is an international resort destination, and smoking, while decreasing overseas, is still not met with the cultural disdain there that smoking has achieved in the US.

It's no wonder. When you consider the American obesity problem, they had to do something to try and level the mortality playing field.

 

[JimMIA]

I doubt DVC will go smoke free unless all WDW resorts go smoke free. And since that hasn't happened (yet), I'm thinking Disney is waiting for a state law to take the monkey off their back. Remember, WDW is an international resort destination, and smoking, while decreasing overseas, is still not met with the cultural disdain there that smoking has achieved in the US.

Don't hold your breath! The Florida Legislature is not going to do that.

The best chance for that would be Orange County, but I don't know enough about their politics to speculate on that.

 

[prez65]

It's no wonder. When you consider the American obesity problem, they had to do something to try and level the mortality playing field.

DVC is going to have to set up no obesity rooms to keep the mattresses from developing sink holes.....

 

[smjj]

DVC is going to have to set up no obesity rooms to keep the mattresses from developing sink holes.....

On our next trip to OKW I am going to ask for a non-smoking, non-ADA, pet friendly, non-obese room on the ground floor away from HH but close enough to walk to it in less than 5 min. If we don't get it I will insist they refund our points ASAP..smjj

 

[WOW]

Posted by WOW:

Some folks like in this book have difficulty dealing with differences between people and find some sort of 'relief' - like the primary character in the book, by seeking attention from others.

I totally agree!!! People really need to be able to accept the differences in each other instead of trying to put them down for not agreeing with their agenda.

 

[vonderbar]

THANK YOU for that piece of nostaligia. Back in my "glory days of high school", a friend of ours would play that on his guitar. I had forgotten all the words, but remembered the chorus, where we would all sing-along.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Why not take off all the balconies in nonsmoking rooms since those bothered by smoke won't be able to use them anyhow? Of course the rooms with no balconies should cost less points. Heaven forbid we ask smokers to be inconvenienced when nonsmokers can just "not use the balconies."

Well, what about the non-smokers who aren't bothered by smoke? Why should they be relegated to balconylessness? Are the smokers really out on balconies smoking every minute? You've got to pity someone who's out there chain smoking for any reason (addiction, stress, whatever).
How about a smoking schedule, sort of like the wave pool at Typhoon Lagoon? Every hour on the hour for twenty minutes; for the other forty minutes, no smoking on balconies? But then how do you enforce that? Bad enough at VWL, BCV, etc - but who's going to police the balconies at OKW?

I was only saying that being addicted to cigarettes is a disease just like being an alcoholic or a drug abuser. Yes, they provide an area for people to drink...it's called a bar.

But with the exception of the Magic Kingdom, Disney doesn't ban drinking anywhere. Plenty of people drink their way around World Showcase, or stroll around their resorts with open beers, or - gasp! - drink on the balconies...

I was thinking perhaps more like under the Liberty Tree

Hardly. One does not or at least should not have the right to infringe on others rights by exercising their own.

I thought under the Liberty Tree IS a Designated Smoking Area - no?

We also live in a state that has recently banned all smoking, in all establishments BUT casinos. Which imo, is ridiculous. If it is a non smoking state, then that includes ALL locations.

I don't know where you live, but in Connecticut the casinos are on Native American-owned land and are subject to different rules/laws.

Carbon Monoxide in an enclosed environment is totally different but that's not the situation you were referring to. The body doesn't detect it because it's odorless and tasteless, that is part of the problem. Actually I don't care if people smoke inside smoking units or in APPROPRIATE smoking ares. However on the balcony of a NS unit or in front of a NS unit are not appropriate areas.

Carbon monoxide in an unenclosed area has the same effect as ETS in an unenclosed area - worse, in fact, since as you point out it CAN'T be detected, so can't be avoided. As for smoking in front of a non-smoking unit, I can speak for only OKW - there are benches and ashtrays directly in front of non-smoking buildings, where MANY visitors have to walk by/through that exact spot to get to and from the units.

I've never smoked cigarettes (or any other substance). I just back from a trip to ER as I was coughing up blood. I have a nodule in my lung that must be biopsied.
If I do have lung cancer, I'm going to insist in my will that my sister insert a statement to this effect in the program:
"Everyone here who smoked a cigarette in her presence put one nail in the coffin in front of us."

Please. First, good luck with your results.
Now, while people obviously smoked in your presence, conversely YOU were present where people were smoking.
According to this http://www.emedicinehealth.com/lung_cancer/page2_em.htm site, "About 85% of lung cancers occur in a smoker or former smoker";
Of the remaining approximately 15% of lung cancers:
"Other causes of lung cancer include the following:
- Passive smoking, or sidestream smoke, presents another risk for lung cancer. A person living with a smoker has twice the risk of lung cancer of someone not regularly exposed to smoke.
- Air pollution from motor vehicles, factories, and other sources may increase the risk for lung cancer, but the degree of increase has not been established accurately.
- Asbestos exposure increases the risk of lung cancer by 9 times
- Lung diseases, such as tuberculosis (TB) and COPD, also create a risk for lung cancer. A person with COPD has a 4-6 times greater risk of lung cancer even when the effect of cigarette smoking is excluded.
- Radon exposure
- Certain occupations where exposure to arsenic, chromium, nickel, aromatic hydrocarbons, and ethers occurs may increase the risk of lung cancer.

I doubt DVC will go smoke free unless all WDW resorts go smoke free. And since that hasn't happened (yet), I'm thinking Disney is waiting for a state law to take the monkey off their back.

Hmm,,, I wonder even if they did that, if timeshares would be included?