For you smokers out there......

[DVCconvert]

Hitler tried to ban guns too and was largely successful.

yes...but unless I'm mistaken...only from those who held opinions different fromt the NSADP (his views).

 

[prez65]

yes...but unless I'm mistaken...only from those who held opinions different fromt the NSADP (his views).

Exactly.......

 

[seabright1]

One more thing....Stop letting these SSR people book at other resorts...Thier Ruining it for everyone else!!!!!!!!!! (SARCASIM AGAIN)

Sounds like a good idea but it not gonna fly.
Who's gonna walk on those hideous hallways at SSR?

 

[prez65]

Sounds like a good idea but it not gonna fly.
Who's gonna walk on those hideous hallways at SSR?

I wonder if its ok to smoke in those hallways...Maybe some nice looking ashtrays will add to the decor...

 

[prez65]

You know I am starting to like that pic of the hallway more and more....it kind of reminds me of some peoples heads on these boards....empty and hollow.

 

[DVCconvert]

empty and hollow

Welcome to the "wonderful world" of public discussion boards!!!

 

[Dean]

Let me start by saying you misunderstood my comment...I did not call you a name...I was refering to the people deciding on what states to make no public smoking the law..along with other things that are being baned....

I will repeat myself...I do not smoke anywhere inside..or around others...I always go to the dessie areas and even walk away from others in places where it seems to be OK to smoke...like the bus stops which all have ashtrays I never smoke there.

But to reply to the rest of your post...lets see whats comparable to second hand smoke......Carbon Monoxide from cars....so I guess we should not drive cars through the resort and when those buses pull up I and everyone else breaths in the exhaust so no more buses.....

Carcinogens from BBQ's also bad for you and others around you...so we can take those away....

I am just trying to say that smoking or non smoking...everyone needs to be considerate....I smoke but still have asked people to not smoke in front of my children if we are in an area that is not desicnated for smoking....or I move away if I can. Bashing Smokers, doing that fake cough or squirting them with Super Soakers is not the solution...

People just need to be considerate...which I find on a whole are not.....

I bring up the drinking for a lot of personal reasons......

but last time we were at OKW...there happened to be someone at the pool who seemed to have a little too much...He was very loud and obnoxios, cursing up a storm and splashing around in the pool..bumping into children.....
so should we have designated areas for that?

I asked him twice if he could keep it down....and showed him all the kids around...but he still kept going on.even got a little to loud with me..well 2 of his friends saw what was going on and took him away....before he accidently drowned....so to me I find drinking very offensive and possibly fatal to others if he decides to get in his car when he leaves the resort.

I don't think I misunderstood at all. I believe you were equating those that feel smoking should be banned in all public places or similar as being Hitler like. None of your other "examples" are particularly similar to smoking in public places IMO, nor do they consistently cause documented damage to other people as does smoking. I believe smoking to be a unique and singular issue. As for rude people in the pool, one wrong does not excuse another and in this case, has absolutely no bearing on the issues being discussed. Neither does the rude member that accosted another in the laundry room a few years ago nor the family who can't control their kids and are too loud or any other example of rudeness or poor choices. Drinking and driving is likely the closest you can come and it's a totally different set of issues, IMO.

You know I am starting to like that pic of the hallway more and more....it kind of reminds me of some peoples heads on these boards....empty and hollow.

Another insult aimed at people rather than discussing the issues.

 

[prez65]

I don't think I misunderstood at all. I believe you were equating those that feel smoking should be banned in all public places or similar as being Hitler like. None of your other "examples" are particularly similar to smoking in public places IMO, nor do they consistently cause documented damage to other people as does smoking. I believe smoking to be a unique and singular issue. As for rude people in the pool, one wrong does not excuse another and in this case, has absolutely no bearing on the issues being discussed. Neither does the rude member that accosted another in the laundry room a few years ago nor the family who can't control their kids and are too loud or any other example of rudeness or poor choices. Drinking and driving is likely the closest you can come and it's a totally different set of issues, IMO. Another insult aimed at people rather than discussing the issues.

As for.....rude people in the pool..was more like a Stinking Drunk Person in the pool...who was being rude.There is a difference! A rude person in the pool might be smoking!

Your point that my example is not similar.... so Carbon Monoxide from cars has no documented effects on people..Lets test this brilliant theory....Shut your garage and start your car and sit there for a while... and I will shut my garage and smoke a cigarette...see who has more of an adverse effect first.....

The issue is that there are designated smoking rooms which I never stay in (again I do not smoke inside) you want to get rid of them....Than some shmo who is not going to follow the rules will smoke in it anyway...Get rid of the designated smoking areas....I use them...I am against people who are walking around smoking where they are not supposed to be...so where is the argument? and what do I have to defend? Ban smoking in all outdoor areas? or police the people who are not following the rules? Again...it is just going to keep going in circles...and the crap is going to keep getting stirred

 

[prez65]

Well anyway...I am going to go outside now and smoke.....Just wanted to add my 100th post.

 

[rinkwide]

I remember making a pinch pot ashtray out of clay back when I was in kindergarten.

*sigh*

Those were the days.

 

[jarestel]

prez65, I didn't mean to imply that all smokers are irresponsible, but the reason we have regulations in the first place is that not everyone can be counted on to do the right thing. So we have laws and rules that govern the 10% of the population who will not employ common sense at the expense of the 90% who do. That's just the way everything works. So even though you sound like one of the "good" 90%, we still need to wory about the other 10%.

As far as attempting to justify or minimize one bad behavior by pointing out a half dozen other bad ones, that's just deflecting the point. Though the other things you mention are valid, as Dean said, it has nothing to do with whether irresponsible smokers should be regulated or not.

Best wishes and good luck in quitting on your next try.

 

[Dean]

As for.....rude people in the pool..was more like a Stinking Drunk Person in the pool...who was being rude.There is a difference! A rude person in the pool might be smoking!

Your point that my example is not similar.... so Carbon Monoxide from cars has no documented effects on people..Lets test this brilliant theory....Shut your garage and start your car and sit there for a while... and I will shut my garage and smoke a cigarette...see who has more of an adverse effect first.....

The issue is that there are designated smoking rooms which I never stay in (again I do not smoke inside) you want to get rid of them....Than some shmo who is not going to follow the rules will smoke in it anyway...Get rid of the designated smoking areas....I use them...I am against people who are walking around smoking where they are not supposed to be...so where is the argument? and what do I have to defend? Ban smoking in all outdoor areas? or police the people who are not following the rules? Again...it is just going to keep going in circles...and the crap is going to keep getting stirred

Carbon Monoxide in an enclosed environment is totally different but that's not the situation you were referring to. The body doesn't detect it because it's odorless and tasteless, that is part of the problem. Actually I don't care if people smoke inside smoking units or in APPROPRIATE smoking ares. However on the balcony of a NS unit or in front of a NS unit are not appropriate areas. I am glad you go outside, just hopefully you will go to an appropriate smoking area. Overall I'd prefer to get rid of all smoking rooms and fine those heavily that violate the rules. Some have posted recently they are afraid someone might get fined that was innocent which is a cop out IMO since we know that they would only enforce the fine on those that were obviously in violation.

As I said before, I don't mind stirring the pot in this area. I am hopefully it will lead to further controls in the area of questions and realization by those who smoke and are not as considerate as you just how annoying and inappropriate it is. But if all I do is bug them, that's some bit of satisfaction.

 

[rinkwide]

Look folks, it's real simple - if you smoke on the balcony of a non-smoking unit be sure to wear a pre-shrunk T-shirt.

 

[prez65]

A little fact about Walt Disney himself....

"He generally had a cigarette in his hands; for years he preferred unfiltered Lucky Strikes. Later, he smoked strong French cigarettes called Gitanes. He passed away on December 16, 1966." quoted from Justdisney.com

If it was OK with Walter Elias Disney himself to smoke at Disney then this case is closed....

This thread should be locked!

 

[Dean]

If it was OK with Walter Elias Disney himself to smoke at Disney then this case is closed....

LOL, sounds like fuzzy logic to me, maybe you've been in the pool with that drunk guy. Times have changed and I bet Walt would be the first to outlaw smoking with what we know now and the current social and political climate.

 

[jarestel]

A little fact about Walt Disney himself....

"He generally had a cigarette in his hands; for years he preferred unfiltered Lucky Strikes. Later, he smoked strong French cigarettes called Gitanes. He passed away on December 16, 1966." quoted from Justdisney.com

If it was OK with Walter Elias Disney himself to smoke at Disney then this case is closed....

This thread should be locked!

Since Walt Disney's pre-mature death, 40 years of medical research has proved that Walt, though a brilliant theme park imagineer, did not exercise good judgement in choosing to smoke cigarettes or to subject others to 2nd hand smoke. The facts are the facts, and locking the thread ( ie, refusing to discuss it ) won't change them.

 

[arminnie]

I've never smoked cigarettes (or any other substance). I just back from a trip to ER as I was coughing up blood. I have a nodule in my lung that must be biopsied.

If I do have lung cancer, I'm going to insist in my will that my sister insert a statement to this effect in the program:

"Everyone here who smoked a cigarette in her presence put one nail in the coffin in front of us."

And don't think she wouldn't do it.

 

[rinkwide]

..."He generally had a cigarette in his hands; for years he preferred unfiltered Lucky Strikes. Later, he smoked strong French cigarettes called Gitanes. He passed away on December 16, 1966."

...of lung cancer.

 

[Chuck S]

I've never smoked cigarettes (or any other substance). I just back from a trip to ER as I was coughing up blood. I have a nodule in my lung that must be biopsied.

If I do have lung cancer, I'm going to insist in my will that my sister insert a statement to this effect in the program:

"Everyone here who smoked a cigarette in her presence put one nail in the coffin in front of us."

And don't think she wouldn't do it.

I'm sorry to hear you may be ill, and I hope the biopsy is benign.

But, in all fairness, a startling number of women are suffering from lung cancer as they age. And a high percentage of them did not smoke, nor were they around smokers on a regular basis. Think of all the harmful chemicals women are exposed to in the beauty industry over the course of their life, that most men are not. Fine mist hair sprays...basically a laquer to hold hair in place, can't be good to have that in your lungs. Perm odors, color treatment odors, microparticles from make-up applied to the face, it just can't be good to inhale that...but many women are exposed to sprays daily. I know two beauticians, both are suffering with severe lung problems after doing hair for 30 years.

There is no doubt cigarettes are harmful, and people should not smoke...but rather than go through the legislative process to fine smokers who light up in "off limits" areas, why is our federal gov't and the states allowing the sale of tobacco products? The tax revenue it generates. Until such time as the sale and posession of tobacco is illegal, then tobacco is a legal product, and those that chose to buy should have a place in open air public areas to use it.

Link to MedicineNet.com Article: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=52925

 

[Chuck S]

To all posters in this thread, smoking is a heated and highly emotional subject. There is also a lot of "quasi" science presented by both the tobacco companies and the "rabid" anti-smoker groups.

You are free to express your opinions, but I want to remind everyone to please review and follow the DIS posting Guidelines

Specifically:

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