Food Stamp question

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Not at all - I just want the topic to die because people are not being respectful to one another and it serves no purpose any longer - if you, or anyone, wish to do something about anything, then please contact your congressperson - DIS is not a place that any change can be made!

You apparently have a firm stance on the topic and it appears that you think that my stance is opposite than yours...I've said nothing about MY opinion on the topic, other than to give some examples for people to consider. I have been utmost respectful in my postings and the reason I asked for the topic to end is because others have not been (kind of like I feel like this response to me was not on the "nice" side either).

The US is not my country I'm only there for a vacation. I nearly felled out of my be last week seeing a report on the news that 33% of the whole population in the states is not overweighted but obesed. How many of them are living on welfare?
And don't tell the sob story's of not their fault,medicines,heavy bones or what ever. Bin there don that.
Every pound goes trough the mouth.

 

[torinsmom]

The US is not my country I'm only there for a vacation. I nearly felled out of my be last week seeing a report on the news that 33% of the whole population in the states is not overweighted but obesed. How many of them are living on welfare?
And don't tell the sob story's of not their fault,medicines,heavy bones or what ever. Bin there don that.
Every pound goes trough the mouth.

Unfortunately, it is very common for those receiving aid to be overweight or obese, in my experience. Heavily processed foods are cheaper than whole foods, as well as easier to prepare, but also are not the healthiest. The families need nutrition education and what is bought needs to be more defined.

 

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Unfortunately, it is very common for those receiving aid to be overweight or obese, in my experience. Heavily processed foods are cheaper than whole foods, as well as easier to prepare, but also are not the healthiest. The families need nutrition education and what is bought needs to be more defined.

First let me point out that I'm not skinny. Loosing ten pounds would be good fer me.
We like to go and see the big supermarkets. Mostly to look if we see our "own"brands.

I am really, really amazed how tiny the fresh food and especial the vegetable and fruit part is in the giant supermarkets.
It was even more freighting to see that in most shopping karts there was no fresh food at all.
I love America but this is going to be a bigger problem in the future than the slaves war.
People will refuse to pay taxes for those that chose an unhealthy lifestyle.
Nothing against American food. We used the Deluxe dining plan but gained no extra weight.
Maybe because we refused a "dogie bag"? One waitress told us the guests take clams,chicken and fish back to their room and heat them up whit the hair dryer.

It was really sad to see more ECV than strollers at some attractions.

 

[Colleen27]

Unfortunately, it is very common for those receiving aid to be overweight or obese, in my experience. Heavily processed foods are cheaper than whole foods, as well as easier to prepare, but also are not the healthiest. The families need nutrition education and what is bought needs to be more defined.

Yep. We subsidize the worst, least healthy foods (directly or indirectly... and I don't hear nearly as much complaining about that!), which makes the good stuff like fresh produce comparatively more expensive, and we're a workaholic culture that simply doesn't value the time it takes to prepare and consume a real meal. If I had to define American food culture in a nutshell it would be "Let's get this over with and get on to something more important" - we eat in our cars, at our desks, in front of the TV, and we treat both cooking and eating as an interruption of our busy day. That's just not healthy no matter how it is being paid for.

 

[cm8]

How exactly do you propose someone do that if the low paying job they are in doesn't pay enough for them to save anything????

Would it be oh, so much better for her to have stayed in the low-paying job, not returned to school and continue NOT paying taxes and receiving EIC? Or even better, the students whose low-paying job DO qualify them for foodstamps and welfare, maybe they should just continue in the system instead of bettering themselves and getting out of it?

You can't have it both ways. You can't sit and judge that everyone on assistance should be trying to do something better and then sit in judgement of someone that uses the system to do the very thing you keep preaching that others should do.

Its like you and other posters resent so highly that someone receives assitance that you cannot see the forrest for the trees you keep staring at.



That was YOUR choice. Her choice was not wrong. She did what she needed to do to get an education so that she could support her family.

Exactly, some seem to be very bitter about it too

The US is not my country I'm only there for a vacation. I nearly felled out of my be last week seeing a report on the news that 33% of the whole population in the states is not overweighted but obesed. How many of them are living on welfare?
And don't tell the sob story's of not their fault,medicines,heavy bones or what ever. Bin there don that.
Every pound goes trough the mouth.

Well bless you heart Every pound does not always go through the mouthI would explain it to you in medical terminology, but I'm too tired to do so and I'm almost certain it would never change your mind or the way you perceive others

 

[luvsJack]

The US is not my country I'm only there for a vacation. I nearly felled out of my be last week seeing a report on the news that 33% of the whole population in the states is not overweighted but obesed. How many of them are living on welfare?
And don't tell the sob story's of not their fault,medicines,heavy bones or what ever. Bin there don that.
Every pound goes trough the mouth.

While I agree that a lot of people who are on welfare are overweight--and for many it is the reasons that the pp gave about the cheaper foods, etc; I really don't see your connection in seeing a news report about obesity and connecting it to people on welfare?

 

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Exactly, some seem to be very bitter about it too



Well bless you heart Every pound does not always go through the mouthI would explain it to you in medical terminology, but I'm too tired to do so and I'm almost certain it would never change your mind or the way you perceive others

No you wouldn't. I've heard every lie in the overweighted book .
Tired? Try a chemo treatment and than tell me about tired. EVERY,EVERY pound goes through the mouth no matter how it is denied. Yes I had cancer and had to take every pill they ever invented.
It is so simple. If I don't feed the overweight monster inside me I will not gain weight.
I don't gain fat because I take pills or I only "drink water". That is plain nonsense.Just don't give your body calories it doesn't need or use and you won't get overweight.

 

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While I agree that a lot of people who are on welfare are overweight--and for many it is the reasons that the pp gave about the cheaper foods, etc; I really don't see your connection in seeing a news report about obesity and connecting it to people on welfare?

Would you hire a person that weights 400 pounds?

 

[palavra]

I really can't believe the judging going on here. No, I take that back, I can.

People, a lot of the people relying on food stamps have paid into the system too. They have suddenly found themselves without a job. Or maybe they have a deadbeat DH/DW that left them behind with children and no child support.

IDK, maybe it's because I have been laid off twice in this "wonderful" economy but I certainly understand the need for food stamps. I also understand the rise in people getting benefits. The unemployment is higher than it has been in quite some time.

I can say that the amount I would receive in food stamps is pretty accurate compared to how my family eats and we're certainly not having a 4 course meal every night or even meat every night for that matter. As far as I know, food stamps covers food and not toiletries so that money has to come from somewhere too. I may be wrong. I thank my lucky start that I never had to rely on food stamps.

I've gotten some good advice on the budget board., but I've also been shocked and appalled at the jugdement on here. With the economy today I find it hard to believe that anyone would think it right that a cashier was discussing the financial issues of one customer with another customer. And, no, it isn't anyone else's business-period!

 

[deegack]

Unfortunately, it is very common for those receiving aid to be overweight or obese, in my experience. Heavily processed foods are cheaper than whole foods, as well as easier to prepare, but also are not the healthiest. The families need nutrition education and what is bought needs to be more defined.

Yes and there needs to be more/better options in our poor areas. Many urban poor areas don't have a grocery store. People rely on their local corner stir or bodegas to grocery shop. Any produce they find there is old, damages and expensive. So if their choice is Mac and cheese in a box that will feed their kids for dinner or a few bruised apples that may be good for a snack if they eat them that day, they are going to choose the Mac and cheese.

 

[PebblesMom]

The US is not my country I'm only there for a vacation. I nearly felled out of my be last week seeing a report on the news that 33% of the whole population in the states is not overweighted but obesed. How many of them are living on welfare?
And don't tell the sob story's of not their fault,medicines,heavy bones or what ever. Bin there don that.
Every pound goes trough the mouth.

There have also been news reports about how some major sports figures would be considered obese under these guidelines, because their BMI is so large. They are healthy and have $$$!

 

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There have also been news reports about how some major sports figures would be considered obese under these guidelines, because their BMI is so large. They are healthy and have $$$!

That may be 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.1 percent of the population and not the 33% that is just stuffing themselves.
There is No way to justify scootering around in WDW, a basket filled with six million calories and still get a GAC and FOTL acces because some one is fat by own choice.

 

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Yes and there needs to be more/better options in our poor areas. Many urban poor areas don't have a grocery store. People rely on their local corner stir or bodegas to grocery shop. Any produce they find there is old, damages and expensive. So if their choice is Mac and cheese in a box that will feed their kids for dinner or a few bruised apples that may be good for a snack if they eat them that day, they are going to choose the Mac and cheese.

That is a choice. There is always fresh food like vegetables and fruit to buy. It can be expensive but if some one chooses to buy licorice McDreck or cigarettes instead of groceries that is a free choice.
I live on grapes, almost a kilo per day but even in poor states like Mississippi or Alabama I had no problem of buying them.

 

[deegack]

That is a choice. There is always fresh food like vegetables and fruit to buy. It can be expensive but if some one chooses to buy licorice McDreck or cigarettes instead of groceries that is a free choice.
I live on grapes, almost a kilo per day but even in poor states like Mississippi or Alabama I had no problem of buying them.

But there isn't always a way for someone to get fresh fruit and veggies. I'm assuming you have a grocery store in your area and a car or other transportation to get there. In a place like East Harlem the nearest grocery store may be walking 10 blocks and two buses to a small grocery store. The trip probably take about an hour each way and often not an option. Its call food deserts. They can't eat grapes because IF the local bodega has them, a big IF, they are shriveled and almost rotten.
There is a huge push in areas of NYC, Newark and other large cities to bring supermarkets, green markets and even produce carts to poor areas so people have a choice to eat fresh produce.

http://www.foodfirst.org/en/node/2489

 

[Hannathy]

You don't have to eat fresh fruit and produce to keep from getting fat. It is generally overeating in the vast majority of cases. You don't have to have fresh to get vegetables in your life. You can eat canned or frozen and just because you have to eat mac and cheese it doesn't mean you have to eat the whole dang box.

I do feel for people in areas that it is hard to get to real stores but there are still choices to be made and ways to get fruit and vegetables into your diet and like I said you still don't have to over eat.

 

[Colleen27]

There have also been news reports about how some major sports figures would be considered obese under these guidelines, because their BMI is so large. They are healthy and have $$$!

Yep. BMI is a simplistic measurement - it cannot account for higher-than-average amounts of muscle mass, and that isn't just limited to professional athletes. Most of the guys DH works with are overweight or obese by the BMI scale, when in reality they're healthy guys who have a job that is a daily workout (construction/roofing). No one looking at them on the street would consider them heavy (a couple of them are underwear-model hot) but since BMI only measures weight-for-height it does.

 

[cm8]

No you wouldn't. I've heard every lie in the overweighted book .
Tired? Try a chemo treatment and than tell me about tired. EVERY,EVERY pound goes through the mouth no matter how it is denied. Yes I had cancer and had to take every pill they ever invented.
It is so simple. If I don't feed the overweight monster inside me I will not gain weight.
I don't gain fat because I take pills or I only "drink water". That is plain nonsense.Just don't give your body calories it doesn't need or use and you won't get overweight.

, I've also taken chemo but I would never compare my tiredness to anyone else just to make myself feel better, And as a Physician, your last statement is not true. There are MANY metabolic diseases and endocrine disorders that will cause someone to become overweight.

I've seen many patients who exercise and eat a healthy diet not lose one single pound till their underlying issue was corrected. Until those underlying conditions are corrected the weight gain will continue. Contrary to your beliefs, not everyone who's overweight shovels food down their throats

 

[Colleen27]

That is a choice. There is always fresh food like vegetables and fruit to buy. It can be expensive but if some one chooses to buy licorice McDreck or cigarettes instead of groceries that is a free choice.
I live on grapes, almost a kilo per day but even in poor states like Mississippi or Alabama I had no problem of buying them.

No, there isn't. Sure, even "poor states" have groceries but many poor neighborhoods don't, leaving the people least likely to have reliable transportation with the worst close-to-home shopping options. The entire city of Detroit, for example, didn't have a single major chain grocery store for many, many years. Where I lived, someone without a car would have to spend about 3 hours round trip taking two buses to get to the closest grocery store.

In inner-city/poor neighborhoods there are independent stores that are basically glorified party stores - if they have produce it is at 2-3x the cost of the same items as Kroger, but for the most part they don't carry produce and try to keep perishable stock to a minimum because they lack the profit margin to absorb any level of spoilage. A lot of those little shops have owners who go to Aldi or Sam's Club or Kroger to buy milk and eggs to resell in their own coolers, because a regular delivery even of such basic staples would result in too much waste/loss. Lack of access to real food is a major and well documented problem of the American poor.

 

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, I've also taken chemo but I would never compare my tiredness to anyone else just to make myself feel better, And as a Physician, your last statement is not true. There are MANY metabolic diseases and endocrine disorders that will cause someone to become overweight.

I've seen many patients who exercise and eat a healthy diet not lose one single pound till their underlying issue was corrected. Until those underlying conditions are corrected the weight gain will continue. Contrary to your beliefs, not everyone who's overweight shovels food down their throats

No that is just not true. No matter how you try to to excuse it but don't shove calories into yourself and you won't get overweighted.
My BIl is an oncologist and my niece is a Physician but the both agree,every pound goes through the mouth and those dockers that would tell you no are just lying and feeding the monster.
I'm very sorry but that is the plain truth. You may not like it but if you tell youre patients other things that is just lying.

 

[leahjade]

I've seen many patients who exercise and eat a healthy diet not lose one single pound till their underlying issue was corrected

These conditions are very rare - it's a simple math problem. Weight = calories in minus calories expended. Genetics can't change in one generation, but obesity levels surely have in this country in the past twenty years due to poor eating habits and less activity - almost always the simplest answer is the correct one.