Fast Passes shut down

[brunette8706]

Recently we've been staying on-site a lot. I guess the majority of my "visits" have been offsite due to previously living in Florida, though.

It's fun staying onsite. We went to WL and I hated it (the room only) so we moved to the Yacht Club and it was AWESOME!

 

[kaytieeldr]

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I'm here! LOL! I just think either your ticket for the parks or even the parking fee, somewhere along the line the customer is "paying" for this service. And personally, I think they should be running if it's more than 500 feet from the park entrance. Now if you are about 20 - 400 feet away, no biggie for me, but it could be a biggie for the elderly, young kids, etc.

brunette

Ah, good. I thought maybe you were ignoring me... and I will not be ignored . I agree completely. Either the trams should be running, or Guests should be informed before paying to park.

 

[brunette8706]

Ah, good. I thought maybe you were ignoring me... and I will not be ignored . I agree completely. Either the trams should be running, or Guests should be informed before paying to park.

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No, I wasn't ignoring you. LOL! I just didn't "pipe" in about it, because "technically" I do agree somewhat with you! LOL! Disney has been really peeving me off lately though about their cutbacks. I did launch a post about it on the theme park boards, titled "Do you think Disney Has gone Down Hill"...something to that effect. Feel free to pop in, if you like. We talk about the negative and the positive of WDW.

Brunette

 

[maxiesmom]

this is an example of the reason "when threads go bad".
the use of exaggeration and superaltives. unless you have Skype and sawthe poster stamping their feet, or there is a "new" "stamping your feet" smilie, this is uncalled for. If someone chooses to post something they didn't like about disney, they are doing so to either "vent" or warn others, so they can plan accordingly.
I would NEVER use the words "Big, BAD" in the same sentance wiht "Disney" my grown kids, other family, friends, etc. would laugh uproariously about this. they all say Disney should pay ME for advertising. I tell everyone to go to Disney.. and you have to stay ONSITE! if I even HEAR about some even considering going, I write up pages of advice for them I LOVE Disney! we are lucky enough to go twice a year, and will do so as long as we can afford it.
that being said, I have, more recently, seen things and encountered things and had problems I am not happy with. so I come here, to share, and discuss with like minded people.
now, if you feel the need to disagree with a posters opinion of things gone downhill, or have specific reasons, ie, explanations for that person about why such and such occurred, great. do so NICELY.
no need to psychoanalyze the persons "negativity", "too high expectations", or say something constructive like "I need to go get some cheese to go with that whine"
BTW, I really dislike the word "complain" it does make someone sound "whiny"
as a waitress, if a customer tells me her steak is over cooked, I do NOT consider her a "complainer". I consider her a valued customer, whose steak was not done to her liking. if I order a stek MR and it comes out well done, I send it back. if it comes back a second time MW, I no longer have the time to deal with this.(this happened to me recently, not at my restaurant) but I WILL share this with other people. "the steaks used to be so good at "such and such" restaurant.. what happened? " and "I am so disappointed" and maybe other diners (if they had a website) would agree.
but it's not :complaining". it's making an observaton. now, there;s a better word.
I will continue to go to Disney, the place I love. (so don't even BOTHER telling me "well, if you don't like it, don't go there") but I will also continue to come on DISCUSSION boards to discuss things I find have not gone well. yes every trip is dif, and things go wrong. no, it doesn't "RUIN" a vacation"(ususally). but doesn't mean you can't come to a disney discussion board and talk about the things you were disapointed with. the things you DID expect, after years of expereince, that have changed, not for the good, and yet prices have gone up.
this is my opinion, from my experiences.anyone can disagree with me, . but I am NOT a complainer, not a whiner, not "negative".
you can disagree with a poster's opinon, not their experience. and if yu disagree, you can NICELY post why without the needless arm chair psychoanalysis and name calling

I do think there is quite a bit of foot stamping going on. In this thread. I never said I saw the OP stamp their feet.

And excuse me for telling someone to try to focus on the positive so that they enjoy their vacation. I didn't realize that was such a bad thing!

I was wondering how you all think Disney should deal with the days they don't run trams. Do they tell them when they pay to park? On the day the OP visited, was the whole parking area not being serviced by trams, or just certain spots? Should they have signs up stating "No trams beyond this point"?

As I stated before, I have been there in October and had to walk in from the Epcot parking lot. Which is why I didn't see at first why the OP was so upset. It wasn't anything new to me. Of course that is different when you have someone with a disability along with you. But the OP hadn't stated that at first.

 

[ratmaster]

The first situation is only different because you suddenly disagree. Both situations involve a customer 'paying' for use of a fastpass and not being able to use it because Disney didn't give out 'enough'.

I'll disregard the majority of your second point except to point out that if you have an actual mobility disability that requires the use of a wheelchair or ECV that trams are not wheelchair or ECV accessible. Situations where it is "nice" but not "necessary" make up the other "countless" scenarios (kids, strollers, giant inflatable flailing tube men, etc)

No, it's completely different becuase it's completely different. You really don't see the difference between running out of FP versus not offering them at all? It obviously defeats the purpose if Disney offered an unlimited number of FP. It's about access. Were the same services offered on the slowest day of the year that were offered on the busiest. Using your example, if the same amount of FP were offered on both days, then there are no issues.

This does not have to be an all or noting mentality. People understand that rides or services may be shut down for maintenance or for safety reasons. But, that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about a conscious choice to completely eliminate services.

 

[minandmick]

Just about this thread....

 

[disney_bob]

No, it's completely different becuase it's completely different. You really don't see the difference between running out of FP versus not offering them at all? It obviously defeats the purpose if Disney offered an unlimited number of FP. It's about access. Were the same services offered on the slowest day of the year that were offered on the busiest. Using your example, if the same amount of FP were offered on both days, then there are no issues.

Completely different? You must have a funny definition of "completely" I understand that in one scenario there isn't enough because Disney didn't give them out and in one the other there isn't enough because they're gone -- because Disney didn't plan for there to be more available. You don't seem to understand that the end result for the customer is that they cannot use something they 'paid for'. Doesn't matter the reason why they can't use it. THEY CAN'T USE IT.

Unlimited? I never said anything about an unlimited amount. That's like me saying "OK, the situation would have been resolved had 1 fastpass been given out because the guest would have had the potential to get access to it... whether he did receive it or not doesn't matter". Same thing between giving out 10 or 10000. Either way they're both 'available', the 11th or 10001st person doesn't get to use it, but there's a perceived difference in 'fairness'. I see no difference between giving out 0 or 10. This is why I asked the other poster not to get into a numbers game.

People understand that rides or services may be shut down for maintenance or for safety reasons. But, that's not what we're talking about here.

Not sure why this was added since I wasn't talking about safety or maintenance either.

We're talking about a conscious choice to completely eliminate services.

No, they didn't "completely eliminate services". One ride the OP wanted to go on ONE day didn't have fastpass (or tram on a different day) access (though according to another DIS member there was a brief period where it was operational). I'd be happy to contribute to a thread concerning what you're talking about. But you'd have to start one because this isn't it.

Just about this thread....

Thank you for your valuable and well thought out contribution.

 

[flicx]

No, it's completely different becuase it's completely different. You really don't see the difference between running out of FP versus not offering them at all? It obviously defeats the purpose if Disney offered an unlimited number of FP. It's about access. Were the same services offered on the slowest day of the year that were offered on the busiest. Using your example, if the same amount of FP were offered on both days, then there are no issues.

This does not have to be an all or noting mentality. People understand that rides or services may be shut down for maintenance or for safety reasons. But, that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about a conscious choice to completely eliminate services.

Thats absolutely correct!

 

[ratmaster]

Completely different? You must have a funny definition of "completely" I understand that in one scenario there isn't enough because Disney didn't give them out and in one the other there isn't enough because they're gone -- because Disney didn't plan for there to be more available. You don't seem to understand that the end result for the customer is that they cannot use something they 'paid for'. Doesn't matter the reason why they can't use it. THEY CAN'T USE IT.

Unlimited? I never said anything about an unlimited amount. That's like me saying "OK, the situation would have been resolved had 1 fastpass been given out because the guest would have had the potential to get access to it... whether he did receive it or not doesn't matter". Same thing between giving out 10 or 10000. Either way they're both 'available', the 11th or 10001st person doesn't get to use it, but there's a perceived difference in 'fairness'. I see no difference between giving out 0 or 10. This is why I asked the other poster not to get into a numbers game.


Not sure why this was added since I wasn't talking about safety or maintenance either.


No, they didn't "completely eliminate services". One ride the OP wanted to go on ONE day didn't have fastpass (or tram on a different day) access (though according to another DIS member there was a brief period where it was operational). I'd be happy to contribute to a thread concerning what you're talking about. But you'd have to start one because this isn't it.



Thank you for your valuable and well thought out contribution.

No need to go back and forth with this, disney bob. I respect the fact that you are a Disney apologist. But, there is no sense disagreeing with a Disney apologist. Mickey Mouse could leave a pile of mouse droppings in the middle of Main St and the Disney apologist would find an excuse for it. As I said in one of previous posts, the bottom line is that Disney shut down services because it was a slow day. And unless they plan to start offering discounted "off season" park admission, I expect there to be no difference between one day and the next unless it is a scenario that is out of Disney's control. Although these services may not be a big deal to everyone, they were to the OP. And whatever the OP's personal reasons are for feeling this way, it must be respected. To me, the tram might not have been a big deal. But I understand the OP's reasons for feeling that it was. I too would have an issue with no FP with a 40 min wait on a ride that has the ability or is supposed to offer FP. Others may not...and I respect their reasons for that as well.

 

[jonmar]

Of course that is different when you have someone with a disability along with you. But the OP hadn't stated that at first.

Yes, of course it's my fault that you gave no forethought to your 'just walk, you're gonna walk all day anyway' bit. You are right, I didn't indicate the reason the trams would have been particularly helpful, but I shouldn't have to. Perhaps it might have occurred to some that given we were upset about the lack of trams, there would be some reason for that apart from laziness. It is these sorts of judgmental postings that tempted me to post that an apparent lack of 'cleverness' exists in some of you.

Really, should a person have to bare their sole to the masses to prevent someone from putting their foot in their mouth? Or is it reasonable to expect that someone being that assertive with a 'just walk' mentality would have considered the circumstances and tread lightly with such a remark. By analogy, is the childless couple required to inform everyone they meet that they can't have kids because of ovarian cancer, so please don't ask 'when ya havin' kids?' Personally, I would be savvy enough not to ask.

In any event, maxiesmom, you are right about one thing: I was 'snarky' with you. Deservedly so, I think.

 

[disneydentist]

It is these sorts of judgmental postings that tempted me to post that an apparent lack of 'cleverness' exists in some of you.

I guess you consider "cleverness' on your part to include changing your story about what really happened and hoping no one would notice.

 

[disney_bob]

Mickey Mouse could leave a pile of mouse droppings in the middle of Main St and the Disney apologist would find an excuse for it

They do have horses on Main Street, you know.

No need to go back and forth with this, disney bob. I respect the fact that you are a Disney apologist. But, there is no sense disagreeing with a Disney apologist. Mickey Mouse could leave a pile of mouse droppings in the middle of Main St and the Disney apologist would find an excuse for it [...] I too would have an issue with no FP with a 40 min wait on a ride that has the ability or is supposed to offer FP. Others may not...and I respect their reasons for that as well.

We can agree to disagree and I'm fine with that. But calling me an apologist is insulting and only weakens your opinion (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). You don't seem to 'respect' those of us with differing views like you say. I'm done with you.

 

[phorsenuf]

If you have a walking disability why are you not parking in the handicap section?

 

[maxiesmom]

Yes, of course it's my fault that you gave no forethought to your 'just walk, you're gonna walk all day anyway' bit. You are right, I didn't indicate the reason the trams would have been particularly helpful, but I shouldn't have to. Perhaps it might have occurred to some that given we were upset about the lack of trams, there would be some reason for that apart from laziness. It is these sorts of judgmental postings that tempted me to post that an apparent lack of 'cleverness' exists in some of you.

Really, should a person have to bare their sole to the masses to prevent someone from putting their foot in their mouth? Or is it reasonable to expect that someone being that assertive with a 'just walk' mentality would have considered the circumstances and tread lightly with such a remark. By analogy, is the childless couple required to inform everyone they meet that they can't have kids because of ovarian cancer, so please don't ask 'when ya havin' kids?' Personally, I would be savvy enough not to ask.

In any event, maxiesmom, you are right about one thing: I was 'snarky' with you. Deservedly so, I think.

If you are only going to post part of your story, than you can expect people to make some wrong assumptions. I think for most people, it wouldn't be a big deal to walk from the parking lot into the parks. I'm sorry I didn't beg you for a reason as to why you were objecting so strongly to the lack of a tram. You were pretty vocal with everything else to that point, why would I assume you would leave out any pertinent information?

I'm done. You apparently want to wallow in how you feel Disney wronged you. Go ahead and wallow.

 

[jonmar]

I guess you consider "cleverness' on your part to include changing your story about what really happened and hoping no one would notice.

No, I did not change my story. You either didn't read it or believed someone that said I changed it. I did not have one solitary conversation with the staff at Animal Kingdom. When we arrived at the ride we were told it wasn't necessary for FastPass to be operating. At noon, when we went back and the line was 40 minutes long, we were told they had all been distributed, because at that time I asked why they don't start up the machines. When we complained to guest services, we were told they had all been distributed. When I pushed it later in our stay, we were advised they had not been operating at all that day. You guys are all real Perry Masons!

 

[kaytieeldr]

No need to go back and forth with this, disney bob. I respect the fact that you are a Disney apologist. But, there is no sense disagreeing with a Disney apologist.

Great. I'm not a WDW apologist. I just like numbers.

However you get there, the result is the same:
All the X that were being distributed on a given day were distributed
There were no X available for person Y when person Y attempted to get an X

Whether X = 0 or X = 100 or X = 10,000, the result is the same:
Person Y was unable to obtain any X.
Interestingly, person Z was able to obtain one or more X during a brief window that day, despite some skepticism from either person Y or some posters in this thread or both.

Reading this entire thread, it appears that despite not being able to obtain any X, person Y was able to ride the attraction of interest - Kali River Rapids - twice: once at or near park opening, with a ten minute wait*, and once again around noon(?) when the wait was posted at forty minutes and actually did take the full forty minutes.
Person Y chose not to wait forty minutes again at any point later in the day for this attraction, despite it being her daughter's favorite, due to the lack of availability of X (a protest?)?
Person Y also didn't experience Kilimanjaro Safari for some reason related or not related to the lack of availability of X at KRR?

 

[kaytieeldr]

If you have a walking disability why are you not parking in the handicap section?

Not everyone can. You need an HP plate or placard, or there's a $250 fine and a risk of being towed.

There ARE medical parking spaces, and if the OP had known there may not be tram service (joking - I wasn't aware it's intermittent) and had asked for advice in advance, she may have been told to request medical parking. These are the spaces at the beginning of every row - sounds like they were parked FAR down a row! - as well as some beyond the marked HP spaces.

But she couldn't know there'd be no trams, so she couldn't ask and so we couldn't advise her

 

[ratmaster]

They do have horses on Main Street, you know.



We can agree to disagree and I'm fine with that. But calling me an apologist is insulting and only weakens your opinion (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). You don't seem to 'respect' those of us with differing views like you say. I'm done with you.

I respect everyone's opinion, including your's. It's your opinion, along with several others that it's OK for Disney to offer less for the same money based on projected or actual park attendance. I, also along with several others disagree with that. And, calling you an apologist is not insulting. It's my opinion of you and many people on this board based on what I have seen written. If your opinion differs and you feel you are not, then go with that..it's fine. While you may disagree with me, it certainly does not weaken my argument. It's a completely separate issue. One is about Disney and the other is about what you wrote. If it's true, even in part, you should own it. It's nothing to be ashamed of. We are all apologists for something. I, for one, am an apologist for the Boston Red Sox. It's not insulting for someone to call me that although it might be embarrassing to admit sometimes.

 

[disneydentist]

No, I did not change my story. You either didn't read it or believed someone that said I changed it. I did not have one solitary conversation with the staff at Animal Kingdom. When we arrived at the ride we were told it wasn't necessary for FastPass to be operating. At noon, when we went back and the line was 40 minutes long, we were told they had all been distributed, because at that time I asked why they don't start up the machines. When we complained to guest services, we were told they had all been distributed. When I pushed it later in our stay, we were advised they had not been operating at all that day. You guys are all real Perry Masons!

You are right that you didn't have one solitary conversation. Based on this post you had at least four.

 

[phorsenuf]

Not everyone can. You need an HP plate or placard, or there's a $250 fine and a risk of being towed.

Just seems to me that if someone couldn't walk for more than a few hundred yards then they would already be in possession of one.