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Ok, then, I agree. :)

Honestly, we've been homeschooling for 2 years and I'm heard some pretty wild stories. Church kids and HS kids and Christian school kids are all still kids. I've been around them all. You can't stereotype HSed vs public IMHO. Kids are kids, plain and simple.
 
Granted, I didn't read all of the responses here (I belong over on that other thread - LOL) - but in what I have read, I haven't seen one person claim that "health classes cover ALL of the questions one might have"..

:confused3 There have been numerous people who said there should be no need for him to ask questions because he should have had health class by now. I didn't quote anyone.

As for belonging on another thread. Okay, whatever.:confused:
 
14 is a "young kid", seriously, if you think a 14 year old hasn't been exposed to anything, ??? unless of course they are home schooled and mom and dad allow no interaction with other outside) kids....kids talk about sex, ech other bodies, etc earlier than 14 in school....

Well--the 14yo in the OP wasn't exposed to this stuff hence he asked the OP.

Yes misinformation floats around, but I am interpreting MHM's point to be that some parents do care how their children receive information and since we don't know how some parents will react to information regarding male and female reproductive organs that sometimes it is better to be cautious.

For whatever reason the OP felt comfortable in answering the boy's questions but if his mom is upset with what she did, then his mom would have a right to be. Perhaps she'd be grateful or indifferent and Darsa is fine.


And yeah, not sure why when folks think sheltered, they think homeschool, but I got what you were saying.:goodvibes
 
:confused3 There have been numerous people who said there should be no need for him to ask questions because he should have had health class by now. I didn't quote anyone.

As for belonging on another thread. Okay, whatever.:confused:

Just explaining the "another thread" comment. There's a long thread here about people who jump in and answer a question without reading all the responses before them. Since she admitted that was what she'd done, she was saying maybe she belonged on that other thread. Wasn't meant to "put down" anyone (except maybe herself!).

And I agree that when lillygator said homeschooled, it wasn't meant at all as an insult to them, just that if they were away from home at all at any school, they would have been exposed to it. We were at lunch yesterday, and my husband sent a quick text message to my 17 year old son pointing out the "plumbers' butt" on the probably 20-something girl sitting with her rear end sticking out near our table (okay, I'm sorry but probably 4 inches of "crack" was showing")! :sad2: My son just looked at both of us and was like "guess you haven't been around a high school lately!"
 

Well--the 14yo in the OP wasn't exposed to this stuff hence he asked the OP.

Yes misinformation floats around, but I am interpreting MHM's point to be that some parents do care how their children receive information and since we don't know how some parents will react to information regarding male and female reproductive organs that sometimes it is better to be cautious.

For whatever reason the OP felt comfortable in answering the boy's questions but if his mom is upset with what she did, then his mom would have a right to be. Perhaps she'd be grateful or indifferent and Darsa is fine.


And yeah, not sure why when folks think sheltered, they think homeschool, but I got what you were saying.:goodvibes


Oh yes, because every possible question was asked and answered in the 9th grade health class because all high school kids feel very comfortable asking their teacher in front of 30 of their friends about girls getting their period :rolleyes:. I am sure no more questions came to mind after they talked about it in school--right.

Soooo, if you aren't comfortable asking your parents--just who are you supposed to ask????? And just maybe the parents that are so uptight about this are the ones who's kid is afraid to ask THEM about these things--soooo, who do you want them to go to and did you give them a list of acceptable people, you know, so they don't go to someone you think is wrong (never mind they can't stand that person, but heck YOU like them so it is ok), right???
 
Ok, then, I agree. :)

Honestly, we've been homeschooling for 2 years and I'm heard some pretty wild stories. Church kids and HS kids and Christian school kids are all still kids. I've been around them all. You can't stereotype HSed vs public IMHO. Kids are kids, plain and simple.

well a big d'ope moment for me, never thought about interactions at Sunday school etc. I was really not thinking of all the other aspects of how kids interact....

I can recall being in elementary overhearing things kids were talking about!! You just never know....


I never answered re the OP...I am not sure how I would feel....as the mom of two girls, if they felt more comfortable asking a friend's mom about issues, I would be glad that they trust someone and hope that they get factual and true information.

while, maybe not pc, I think the issue here is the opposite sex factor. I mean reverse it and have her dd asking her bf's dad for boy info.....I agree it takes a village to raise a child, but something just seems kind of odd with that....

op, what if you and he are talking again and it goes further to ask about sex, etc? also, not sure if you posted this, did you tell your DD about this conversation?
 
I agree.. As the "mom" of his GF, I don't think it was appropriate at all - and especially at 14! :eek: I can't even begin to imagine why he would approach this subject with his GF's mother..:eek::eek:


I beg to disagree. Teenagers are curious! I think it's great that he felt comfortable enough with an adult to ask them-- be it a health teenager, girlfriend's mom, whomever! You are clearly a "safe" adult, and I think it's great you answered his questions honestly and seriously. I'm sure half the reason teens don't bring up questions to begin with-- they're embarassed. You didn't make him feel embarassed or like his questions were inappropriate. What's inappropriate about the human body-- better to be informed than misinformed!
 
I don't care how curious he is those kind of questions are not something that a young boy brings up with his girlfriend's mother.

Well, obviously...it IS something a youngish man brings up with his girlfriend's mother.

I agree.. As the "mom" of his GF, I don't think it was appropriate at all - and especially at 14! :eek: I can't even begin to imagine why he would approach this subject with his GF's mother..:eek::eek:


But why?

It's a body function. Bodily? Body? Hmm.

"Why does the heart beat; let's talk about all the things that govern the heart."

OK.

"How do we grow taller?"

OK.

"Why do we get pimples?"

OK.

But a question about a bodily function that boys do not have and suddenly it's horrible?

I think it would be WONDERFUL if boys were taught about it, and girls, too. It pains me, while reading about TTC and baby due dates and all, by adults, grown adults, to realize how very very little SO many people know about their own systems.
 
Soooo, if you aren't comfortable asking your parents--just who are you supposed to ask????? And just maybe the parents that are so uptight about this are the ones who's kid is afraid to ask THEM about these things--soooo, who do you want them to go to and did you give them a list of acceptable people, you know, so they don't go to someone you think is wrong (never mind they can't stand that person, but heck YOU like them so it is ok), right???


I didn't say nor imply any of this and nor did any other poster, so why are you on the attack?

I simply said that parents in my circle would be upset if I spoke to their child about something of that nature. I would, out of respect, have to decline to answer and refer them back to their parent. If you find that wrong, that's a shame.:confused3

Not sure why the animosity, but then again--it's not the first time you've read things wrong in my post today.
 
I can't believe people think health class covers ALL of the questions one might have. One of my good friends has an older sister so we used to ask her questions. Some of the kinds of questions were things like "does it stop at night?" "how do you know when to change a tampon?" etc. Funny enough, years later in college when we would get into these kinds of weird in-debth discussions those were the same kinds of questions guys had.

::yes::

I've had multiple guys ask me questions about girl's periods over the years. The answers were always very obvious to me, but of course they were, I was the one who was having them.

while, maybe not pc, I think the issue here is the opposite sex factor. I mean reverse it and have her dd asking her bf's dad for boy info.....I agree it takes a village to raise a child, but something just seems kind of odd with that....

I guess for me it's harder to divorce what happens to boys from sex. You don't need a period to have sex, but you do need swimmers.
 
"Back in the day" an adult would tell you to speak to your parents about such things because they knew that certain topics were for parents to decide about. There is nothing wrong or sad about that.

Back in the day, no one told my grandmother ANYTHING about her body. She thought she was DYING when she had her first period, and told no one. She was horrified, terrified, concerned....

As a result, she told her children all she could.

Augh I hate this back in the day "we all lived in Mrs Cleaver's made up didn't exist anywhere except for TV" world....

He "should" have already learned the basics in "the class"..

What if he wants more than the basics? Why can't he ask? Why isn't he allowed to find out more?

I am curious about the questions. Scientific questions could be answered simply and factually. Questions about side effects, emotions, fertility, etc are a different matter.

Those things aren't scientific? You can't discuss the hormones that cause various emotions, that result in puffiness, you can't discuss fertility and infertility.

This isn't female-related, but it's related to this in a way...hubby and I haven't been able to get a second baby going. After 3+ years of idiot doctors ignoring his symptoms that he's been asking them to check out, he finally got to one who ran the bloodwork, even though he felt it was unnecessary.

Found a prolactinoma. Something has caused hubby's pituitary gland to create a growth that it pumping out prolactin (nursing hormone), which then causes his testosterone to go to almost zero. The symptoms he's been having these last 3+ years are because of that.

Infertility, fertility...it's all hormones, and hormones are scientific. They do certain things. They interact with each other, interfere with each other, they are freakin' fascinating (if I didn't have to go to medical school to become an endocrinologist JUST to have the knowledge, I'd enroll in a heartbeat). And they are science, and related to the woman's (and man's!) body.



You really can't see any questions coming up here which might relate to values? See what I bolded above.

No.

See now if my kid was 6 and asked you about it for whatever reason I would not want you to give them this explanation. I don't care if we were close friends or not. That would be my job to explain it to my child. I also would not give such in depth information to a 6 year old. I am not saying it is wrong, I just don't feel it is something they need to know to that extent.
That is where it comes in that some conversations are not appropriate to be having with other people's kids.

The kid's not 6. Given how my 5 year old reacts as I start to answer more than he has asked, any 6 year old would likely have run away before Darsa got too in depth...

True--even though what Darsa did might have been good for the boy, I much preferred in that boys didn't know what was going on in my body each month in middle school or high school.

If they need to know anything--just that it happens is sufficient. But as a teen, I would have personally been mortified if my mother had a detailed discussion about "that" with a boy I knew let alone my boyfriend.

Granted, my family wasn't very respectful of that anyway. I recall when my stepfather would embarrass me in a store when we had to go get more maxi pads. So the less other boys knew about it the better. Even if they were gentlemen about it.

Regardless of how normal a bodily function is--I preferred pretending it was me and only me suffering.

:hug::hug: It must have been os hard living with a stepfather who basically made fun of you. My first stepdad was really in your face like that. Not fun. Embarrassing.

I realized how much better it was to just be "this is it, here I am" when in my 20s, in chiro school, and I finally decided that dangit, I was GOING to buy those tampons AND that chocolate bar AND those salted peanuts, I was going ot buy them from that teenager at the store, and I was going to look him in the eyes and not be embarrassed by it! Ahhh, better!

At 14 I wouldn't see a need for this type of conversation as it would have already been covered with most girls. I would not want you having that conversation with my sons either at any age.

Why are you holding the info back from your sons? you said it would have been covered with most girls...why not boys?

If a 14 year old typically functioning boy doesn't know that babies come from a fertilized egg, and how that egg is fertilized, I'd be glad he would come asking questions! :scared1: Especially if he was dating my daughter!

Seriously!

OK after saying in my first post that it pains me how little people know...this is what happened with me. :)

In the year before our wedding, we knew we'd want to try for babies. And I decided that I had been so embarrassed growing up that I didn't really know what all was happening. I thought I knew, but I wanted to make sure.

I bought Taking Charge of your Own Fertility. And...was stunned.

That stuff that the body makes when you are fertile...yeah...I thought that was a sign that the egg was GONE. I thought that meant INfertile time.

I was SO SO SO lucky. I never did anything overly stupid, and I got started later on (21) once I could answer the question "if I got pg what would I do" without freaking out (seriously, I waited until then!), but still...had a boyfriend or two that it would have been a horrible idea to have kids with them...and I had the fertile period ALL wrong. Exactly opposite of right.

If I had a teenager right now, regardless of what I wanted him to do or not be doing, regardless of what I thought I had hammered into him values-wise (I remember when my mom mentioned that she had "raised us" to not do the deed until marriage...I actually asked "when exactly were those conversations?"...I was still innocent at the time, but seriously, she'd NEVER mentioned that EVER), I would really really really want the teens to know when the girl was more likely to be fertile and when, most importantly, she was more likely to NOT BE. it's really good info to have! (along with knowing that there are no guarantees, as anyone whose system seems to work correctly but is having no luck with being pg, and anyone who had a surprise whoops knows as well)
 
I haven't read the thread, but he might've asked his parents. Maybe they just didn't want to tell him?

I'm 14, and I learned about what "happens to girls" in the 5th grade... it sounds like his parents are sheltering him to me.

And for the record, every 14 year old I can think of knows WAY more than just the basics... too much TBH. Including myself :lmao:
 
::yes::

I've had multiple guys ask me questions about girl's periods over the years. The answers were always very obvious to me, but of course they were, I was the one who was having them.



I guess for me it's harder to divorce what happens to boys from sex. You don't need a period to have sex, but you do need swimmers.

:eek: And YOU were homeschooled!!:rotfl2: Sorry, I'm just fascinated that this bothers people so much.
I'd bet pigs to polecats that my BIL is still helping the teen girls around him grow up knowing facts and getting good info and advice. It is who he is, and yes, he's the opposite sex. I can't see a girl asking my DH any type question like that but I can him. He's just approachable that way. Ever since I was a kid I've called him "every girl's best friend". He has 3 teen girls now and I feel sure their friends would feel like they could talk to him about most anything.
 
:eek: And YOU were homeschooled!!:rotfl2: Sorry, I'm just fascinated that this bothers people so much.
I'd bet pigs to polecats that my BIL is still helping the teen girls around him grow up knowing facts and getting good info and advice. It is who he is, and yes, he's the opposite sex. I can't see a girl asking my DH any type question like that but I can him. He's just approachable that way. Ever since I was a kid I've called him "every girl's best friend". He has 3 teen girls now and I feel sure their friends would feel like they could talk to him about most anything.

I have a friend at work that went with his daughter to the "mother"/daughter talk at school--his wife just isn't comfortable so he takes care of those topics.
 
I think the answering was fine (especially since you did it without worry and censure). I do think it would be appropriate to let his Mom know the next time you speak to her. This will avoid him saying something and her being surprised that you answered the question.
 
And I think Molly brings up a good point...if a teen boy doesn't know the real facts about this stuff, he could become a father much easier than if he was armed with the facts. This info isn't just for girls, boys should know also. I'm a pretty darn conservative Christian but I think there is much power in knowledge. Hiding your heads in the sand (Or pushing your kids heads in the sand) will not stop the world from happening around them.
 
Oh and my other thought is why should darsa have to tell her DD they had this conversation?
I don't get that either. It isn't like darsa told him what her DD's period are like--she gave him general info and answered questions. I really don't think her DD needs to know about this conversation. In fact, I think because he trusted her, she shouldn't tell her.

I would have died if my BIL had told my sister anything I told him. Just died. And I know he didn't and never would. He doesn't tell anything. I know that isn't the same as telling her DD but I didn't want Michael telling anyone, period.

Maybe someone can tell me why the dd needs to know about this conversation. Then, maybe I'll understand why people have said that so much on this thread.
 
Found a prolactinoma. Something has caused hubby's pituitary gland to create a growth that it pumping out prolactin (nursing hormone), which then causes his testosterone to go to almost zero. The symptoms he's been having these last 3+ years are because of that.

WOW! Did they say why his body was able to do that. I didn't think men would have had the capability to produce that hormone.



:hug::hug: It must have been os hard living with a stepfather who basically made fun of you. My first stepdad was really in your face like that. Not fun. Embarrassing.

Learned REAL quick to buy my own goods or have mom get them.:laughing: He wasn't in the picture to do this until 8th grade. Thank goodness. I didn't have to have my first with him around. It was mortifying enough to go to my mom. For some reason I didn't freak out, but I have no memory of a discussion with her ahead of that or really much memory of my health classes. I know we got separated for a talk in 5th grade. But I just don't know. I just knew what was happening and went and asked for what I needed.

I also learned that Teen Maxi pads--biggest joke ever created for "women".:lmao:

Why are you holding the info back from your sons? you said it would have been covered with most girls...why not boys?

I have a friend with a 14yo. Sweetest boy and very innocent and he has that naive look about him. He is homeschooled and the family is Catholic. The household is all boys except for mom. I'm not sure if the topic would ever come up or if he needed to know.

I dont' know what he knows. He is in Boy Scouts. (Which means nothing, but I mention it to demonstrate that he is not sheltered.) She's some type of teacher by trade...I think an English Teacher. She also has an interest in science. So likely she will teach them if she hasn't done so already and it woudl be from an academic POV.

I think that if he doesn't know--it would be just b/c she's holding on to his youth a little longer, I don't know. But I don't think he is so naive that he is totally in the dark if that makes sense.

But from knowing her and knowing the family. It would certainly make sense if she had not taught him, yet--at least about a woman's TOM. It would surprise me if at 14 he didn't know where babies come from, yet. But I don't believe that to be the case.


I bought Taking Charge of your Own Fertility. And...was stunned.

I've heard that was a good book. There is another good one out there that was recommended by a friend of mine. Something about--What your Doctors don't tell you about menopause. Now that is a stunning read as well. She said she would have gotten it earlier had she known about it. So I bought it in my early 30s. I learned much of what TCOYOF in an NFP class. Most people joke about it--but much of the signs you describe, I was wondering what the heck my body was doing every month. Ummmm...didn't learn that until after my first baby and that it was normal and the correct thing for my body to be doing.:rotfl2:
 
And I think Molly brings up a good point...if a teen boy doesn't know the real facts about this stuff, he could become a father much easier than if he was armed with the facts. This info isn't just for girls, boys should know also. I'm a pretty darn conservative Christian but I think there is much power in knowledge. Hiding your heads in the sand (Or pushing your kids heads in the sand) will not stop the world from happening around them.


You raise a good point and I plan on raising my kids accordingly.

It doesn't make me feel comfortable though answering questions that another parent wouldn't want me to answer. I guess it would be different if I had permission--but I just would not feel comfortable doing what the OP did. I jsut feel it crosses a boundary that I'm not sure where the line is drawn and don't find it worth the wrath of a parent if I were to overstep that boundary line.

It's not my job to dig other families' heads out of the sand so to speak when it comes to their kids and those type of questions.

Now if it was a young lady and it happened for the first time in my home and for whatever reason she was clueless, I'd assist her as I would hope any person would for any child in that situation. Likely I would not go into full on detail, but I certainly wouldn't pretend it didn't exist and have her freak out some more. (the "My Girl" movie comes to mind--I still crack up when she tells Macauley Culkin to not come back for 5-7 days.:happytv:).

Someone else's son will not be in that predicament himself to where I'm comfortable discussing the topic without a parent's permission.
 
Oh and my other thought is why should darsa have to tell her DD they had this conversation?
I don't get that either. It isn't like darsa told him what her DD's period are like--she gave him general info and answered questions. I really don't think her DD needs to know about this conversation. In fact, I think because he trusted her, she shouldn't tell her.

I would have died if my BIL had told my sister anything I told him. Just died. And I know he didn't and never would. He doesn't tell anything. I know that isn't the same as telling her DD but I didn't want Michael telling anyone, period.

Maybe someone can tell me why the dd needs to know about this conversation. Then, maybe I'll understand why people have said that so much on this thread.

Not surprising, I agree, I see no need to talk to either his mother or the daughter. But guessing we might be in the (enlightened ;) ) minority !
 
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