DVC Resorts and maintenance fees

[jrmint2]

I'm looking for what the cost of maintenance fees are for each resort, just a guideline, but I'm having trouble pulling up that info. Is there a site or thread I can find that info or does anyone know? I am thinking of adding on some points and trying to weigh the benefits of each resort. I'm currently SSR, and I do love that resort because its so laid back. I also love AKL for the same reason. But thinking maybe I should add on a MK or Epcot resort instead just for a change. I'm all over the place....but would love your opinions.

Thanks so much!!

 

[cedricandsophie]

If you go to one of the resale sites and look at the asking cost for the various resorts The maintenance fee per point is usually there. For instance **********.com. There may be another way to do it but that seems to be the easiest.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

There used to be a post about it, but I got a Not Found on it.

This has the 2014-2015: http://dvcnews.com/index.php/dvc-pr...220/2748-2015-annual-dues-for-all-dvc-resorts

 

[mynameisnobody]

I put this table together for something else but it does have the current MFs. Look in the Dues per Point column.

 

[Disney Dad ADL]

There used to be a post about it, but I got a Not Found on it.

This has the 2014-2015: http://dvcnews.com/index.php/dvc-pr...220/2748-2015-annual-dues-for-all-dvc-resorts

Here is the 2016 version, it includes 2015 prices and %change

http://dvcnews.com/index.php/dvc-pr...150-annual-dues-projections-for-2016-revealed

 

[jrmint2]

two studios one for Oct 23-29 2 adults and 1 child (4) and one for Oct 25-29 for 2 adults.

There used to be a post about it, but I got a Not Found on it.

This has the 2014-2015: http://dvcnews.com/index.php/dvc-pr...220/2748-2015-annual-dues-for-all-dvc-resorts

Here is the 2016 version, it includes 2015 prices and %change

http://dvcnews.com/index.php/dvc-pr...150-annual-dues-projections-for-2016-revealed

Thanks for these links! I kept pulling up a lot of irrelevant links. Cheers!

 

[jrmint2]

I put this table together for something else but it does have the current MFs. Look in the Dues per Point column.

 

[jrmint2]

mynameisnobody:

This was exactly what I was trying to do, analyze which DVC resort had the lowest maintenance fees and what the going rate for points were. Now you've saved me the trouble!! LOL.

I'm interested in BWV and BLT, looking at this chart there is a huge difference per point!! Shocking. What is even more shocking is OKW unextended and Vero Beach...wow!!

Now I'm thinking BWV may not be as attractive as BLT....pondering the positives and negatives is going to be a challenge.

AWesome and thank you!!

 

[Disney Dad ADL]

mynameisnobody:

This was exactly what I was trying to do, analyze which DVC resort had the lowest maintenance fees and what the going rate for points were. Now you've saved me the trouble!! LOL.

I'm interested in BWV and BLT, looking at this chart there is a huge difference per point!! Shocking. What is even more shocking is OKW unextended and Vero Beach...wow!!

Yes, low annual dues is one reason we went with BLT as opposed to AKL (which is the other DVC resort we were considering). The difference between $6.41 and $5.28 per point is actually quite a lot over the life of the contract.

If you make the following assumptions:
1. 4% increase in annual dues per year over the life of the contract
2. shorten BLT by 3 years (to end at 2057) to match AKL
3. 200 point contract, BLT @ $123 pp and AKL @ $85 pp
4. closing costs: BLT = $610 and AKL = $560
5. 2016 MF: BLT = $5.28 pp, AKL = $6.41 pp

Cost of the contract over it's entire life is:
BLT = $135,692
AKL = $151,948

AKL actually costs $16,000 more than BLT.

If you assume annual dues stay flat (0% increase)
BLT = $69,587.20
AKL= $71,404.00

AKL still $2000 more than BLT.

BLT actually has 3 more years built in, which actually makes it slightly more attractive than the numbers state.

AKL's advantage is that you don't need as many points to rent a room, so you could probably get away with a much smaller contract at AKL than BLT and see significant savings from that standpoint. But point for point, BLT is a great deal.

 

[jrmint2]

Yes, low annual dues is one reason we went with BLT as opposed to AKL (which is the other DVC resort we were considering). The difference between $6.41 and $5.28 per point is actually quite a lot over the life of the contract.

If you make the following assumptions:
1. 4% increase in annual dues per year over the life of the contract
2. shorten BLT by 3 years (to end at 2057) to match AKL
3. 200 point contract, BLT @ $123 pp and AKL @ $85 pp
4. closing costs: BLT = $610 and AKL = $560

Cost of the contract over it's entire life is:
BLT = $135,692
AKL = $151,948

AKL actually costs $16,000 more than BLT.

If you assume annual dues stay flat (0% increase)
BLT = $69,587.20
AKL= $71,404.00

AKL still $2000 more than BLT.

BLT actually has 3 more years built in, which actually makes it slightly more attractive than the numbers state.

AKL's advantage is that you don't need as many points to rent a room, so you could probably get away with a much smaller contract at AKL than BLT and see significant savings from that standpoint. But point for point, BLT is a great deal.

This is a very interesting comparison. Although, do you happen to know why the maintenance fees for AKL is less than half of that of BLT? My concern may be inconsequential, but if the rates continue to increase at the same pace, BLT could end up being a lot more expensive. I haven't calculated it....but just from glancing at the link you provided earlier. I love that BLT has 2 bathrooms for the 1 bdrm.

 

[Dean]

mynameisnobody:

This was exactly what I was trying to do, analyze which DVC resort had the lowest maintenance fees and what the going rate for points were. Now you've saved me the trouble!! LOL.

I'm interested in BWV and BLT, looking at this chart there is a huge difference per point!! Shocking. What is even more shocking is OKW unextended and Vero Beach...wow!!

Now I'm thinking BWV may not be as attractive as BLT....pondering the positives and negatives is going to be a challenge.

AWesome and thank you!!

What's best depends on other factors. Dollar wise SSR will most certainly be the cheapest long term looking at buy in AND dues. BLT will be second. However, a specialty option like BWV standard, BLT standard or AKV value will change the numbers somewhat but only if you also buy the lower points and use the specialty option consistently a significant portion of the time. My assumptions are paying cash and considering the TVM and/or the financing costs and that the current dues will all track consistently. Given the footprint of BLT & SSR if the dues don't track, these will likely do better. I also further assume that new resorts will increase faster for the first few years though that may not start until at or nearing sell out. If you're looking at say 25 points, I'd just go with SSR. If you're looking at say 50 or more and you can target a resort you'd likely to stay at consistently, that is likely the best choice regardless of the numbers assuming it's one with a saving for resale and that may still be the best choice retail for the Poly or VWL II.

 

[Disney Dad ADL]

This is a very interesting comparison. Although, do you happen to know why the maintenance fees for AKL is less than half of that of BLT? My concern may be inconsequential, but if the rates continue to increase at the same pace, BLT could end up being a lot more expensive. I haven't calculated it....but just from glancing at the link you provided earlier. I love that BLT has 2 bathrooms for the 1 bdrm.

The AKL maintenance fees are still lower (edit: oops, I mean HIGHER) than BLT, I assume you mean the change from 2015->2016 was higher for BLT?

I don't know exactly why. The main reasons for BLT's increase were housekeeping and Ad Valorem taxes (Property Taxes).
AKL specifically tends to have high MFs due to the animals ($0.33 per point as of 2016), but no other resort would have that.

You're right that there is no guarantee that BLT's annual dues will remain low, so there is some risk in banking on that. I think it's just one thing to consider, I wouldn't make my whole decision on that.

 

[Dean]

The AKL maintenance fees are still lower than BLT, I assume you mean the change from 2015->2016 was higher for BLT?

I don't know exactly why. The main reasons for BLT's increase were housekeeping and Ad Valorem taxes (Property Taxes).
AKL specifically tends to have high MFs due to the animals ($0.33 per point as of 2016), but no other resort would have that.

You're right that there is no guarantee that BLT's annual dues will remain low, so there is some risk in banking on that. I think it's just one thing to consider, I wouldn't make my whole decision on that.

IMO the footprint of both SSR and BLT suggest it will be possible to control dues better than most resorts plus BLT has a higher number of points to spread the dues across. AKV is the highest and likely will continue to be at or near the top. VGF and Poly may pass it at some point and I do expect them to increase faster over the next few years though it might be a couple of years before that becomes evident.

 

[jrmint2]

The AKL maintenance fees are still lower (edit: oops, I mean HIGHER) than BLT, I assume you mean the change from 2015->2016 was higher for BLT?

I don't know exactly why. The main reasons for BLT's increase were housekeeping and Ad Valorem taxes (Property Taxes).
AKL specifically tends to have high MFs due to the animals ($0.33 per point as of 2016), but no other resort would have that.

You're right that there is no guarantee that BLT's annual dues will remain low, so there is some risk in banking on that. I think it's just one thing to consider, I wouldn't make my whole decision on that.

It seems that AKL was over charged in 2015, so there was a credit against 2016, so that may explain why AKL's increase was not in line with the other resorts.

 

[disneynutz]

IMO new resort dues tend to start low during the sales period and increase after sales are completed. BLT is still adjusting upwards and AKV is high due to the cost of maintaining the animals.

Bill

 

[jrmint2]

IMO new resort dues tend to start low during the sales period and increase after sales are completed. BLT is still adjusting upwards and AKV is high due to the cost of maintaining the animals.

Bill

oh! good point!

 

[fdwang]

Another factor to consider is the rental value of the points in the event that you are unable to vacation. I've been using rental services for unused points. I own GCAL and AUL, so I receive $13 for home resort priority for my "premium" resorts versus $11.XX for "non-premium" resorts. It's not much, but it can add up over the life of the contract.

 

[jrmint2]

Another factor to consider is the rental value of the points in the event that you are unable to vacation. I've been using rental services for unused points. I own GCAL and AUL, so I receive $13 for home resort priority for my "premium" resorts versus $11.XX for "non-premium" resorts. It's not much, but it can add up over the life of the contract.

Oh, I don't know if that applies to me. I just rented all my points at $13 on disboards to some very, very lovely people.

And while I think that there are some resorts more expensive to buy currently (and that just depends on when you purchased), or are more geographically well situated to the parks, there aren't any "non-premium" resorts at DVC. They are all premium, DVC is not cheap and maintenance fees prove that. SSR is a mega huge resort, and therefore a bit easier to book 7 months out --so I understand that perception, however, there were a few times I've had trouble booking into my own resort after the 7 month window. Truth be told, my concern is if Disney builds anymore resorts off property, that it will get harder for me to book into WDW. Most people who think of renting DVC, want to go to WDW. Alot of families will go to WDW or DL multiple times a year, few will do that on off-theme-park properties.

We love staying at SSR because its so laid back, and for the easy access to Disney Springs. If you have teenagers you will see that as a plus because even though they love the Disney theme parks, they don't really want to do more than a few days of that. Actually, not sure if I want to admit it on this board, but Universal is a big draw for them now at their age. Also the water parks are a huge attraction. Lol...maybe its all those cute girls in bathing suits!!

 

[jrmint2]

BLT has a higher number of points to spread the dues across

You mean that due to BLT requiring more points to book?

 

[jrmint2]

If you're looking at say 50 or more and you can target a resort you'd likely to stay at consistently, that is likely the best choice regardless of the numbers assuming it's one with a saving for resale and that may still be the best choice retail for the Poly or VWL II

Good points!