dvc questions

bears163

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Ok i have a few questions.

1. do you think it is worth it. the reason i ask this i have heard it from both sides.

2. i am looking to buy resale. what would happen if i would buy points at 2 different reosrts?

3. i know OKW is the oldest. what condition is it in? i have read a few bad posts about it.

thank you in advance for you help

steve
 
Originally posted by bears163
Ok i have a few questions.
1. do you think it is worth it. the reason i ask this i have heard it from both sides.

2. i am looking to buy resale. what would happen if i would buy points at 2 different reosrts?

3. i know OKW is the oldest. what condition is it in? i have read a few bad posts about it.

Only you can answer #1. If you mean worth it in value: Do you go to WDW and stay in deluxe accomodations at least once per year? If yes, it is worth it. Every other year? probably worth it. If you go once every few years and stay at the All Stars then it probably isn't worth it. But DVC is a lifestyle as much as it is a prepaid vacation. We have found that it is worth a lot (I mean more than money) for our family.

With two different home resorts you have an 11 month window for the number of points you have in the contract at each resort. At the 7 month window you will be able to combine the two contracts for reservations. It is easier to have the same use year for both. Try to do that if you buy two.

There are bad posts about every resort. The Polynesian is older than almost everything but it is kept up to Disney standards, just like OKW. You should buy where you want to stay and not worry about condition.

Good luck.

HBC
 
Originally posted by bears163
1. do you think it is worth it. the reason i ask this i have heard it from both sides.

I think you'll find that the vast majority of people here are either members or those looking to become members. You're not likely to hear from many who don't think it's worth it.

But I really am curious...what have you heard to make you think it might not be worth it? Please don't think I'm trying to challenge you. I really would like to know what folks have said that would lead you to believe that DVC is a poor use of your money.
 
Originally posted by bears163
Ok i have a few questions.

1. do you think it is worth it. the reason i ask this i have heard it from both sides.

2. i am looking to buy resale. what would happen if i would buy points at 2 different reosrts?

3. i know OKW is the oldest. what condition is it in? i have read a few bad posts about it.

thank you in advance for you help

steve
DVC is worth it ONLY for the right family, they must meet 2 criteria to one degree or another. Essentially those that would go to WDW and stay on property in a moderate or better at least 2 out of every 5 years and those that will not heavily weight weekends. One should also not plan to trade much or at all. If one falls outside this basic situation, buying is usually not reasonable. Some still decide to buy even it it costs them more money in the long run, that's their choice.

Everyone has their favorite resort and for quite a number it is OKW. OKW will be the cheapest and you can still try the other resorts from time to time. BWV will be the next cheapest for on site for most people. While cheaper on the surface, it is not a reasonable choice to buy HH or VB with the sole purpose of using them at WDW.

2 resorts does complicate things a little but anyone that can balance a checkbook and a credit card statement should have no problems. You just need to know what your getting and what you are not getting, as HBC is telling you.
 

tjkraz



responce: i think people look at the cost of it all and that is what makes people think it os not worth it. i look at it this way. yes it is alot of money at first but you can go to disney for the next 40 years and have it paid for already.
 
Originally posted by bears163
tjkraz



responce: i think people look at the cost of it all and that is what makes people think it os not worth it. i look at it this way. yes it is alot of money at first but you can go to disney for the next 40 years and have it paid for already.

Those who do not meet the criteria listed in the above posts will not find DVC a good economic value.

However, those that do, will nearly always find that buying DVC gives them the ability to stay in deluxe accomodations for less cost. The economics really depend on your personal travel habits.

FWIW, many who buy DVC will end up going more often and staying in larger units than their previous patterns would have predicted. Thus they actually end up spending MORE than they have in the past - sometimes lots more! DVC does that to many - it would have happened to us, but so far, our jobs have interferred with our vacation desires, LOL!

Best wishes -
 
another question. what exactly happens at the end of the contract. does it run out and thats it or is undertermined what will happen?
 
At the end of the contract, the resorts revert to Disney ownership and they can do with them whatever they wish. They can sell another 50 years of use, or whatever else they'd like to do.

responce: i think people look at the cost of it all and that is what makes people think it os not worth it. i look at it this way. yes it is alot of money at first but you can go to disney for the next 40 years and have it paid for already.
Please keep in mind that there are annual dues to pay for maintenance, staff, etc. Right now they run about $4.00 per point that you pay each year.

So the "pre-paid" part of the deal is not entirely true. I would say that a better way to describe DVC is a way to upgrade the vacation experience in an affordable manner.
 
Originally posted by bears163
responce: i think people look at the cost of it all and that is what makes people think it os not worth it. i look at it this way. yes it is alot of money at first but you can go to disney for the next 40 years and have it paid for already.

And that's the right way to look at it...understanding that you do still have to pay the dues as Granny pointed out.

When you combine the up-front payment and annual dues, there is some number of years that must pass before you will reach a break-even point between what you have paid for DVC and what you would have paid if you continued to book rooms for cash. The breakeven will vary depending on room sizes booked, seasons of the year in which you travel and even days of the week. But most folks will still reach a reasonably-calculated breakeven in 10 years or less. After that you get another 30-40 years' worth of accommodations for pennies on the dollar.

From my own experience, I couldn't imagine paying the $300 / night rack rates of a WDW Deluxe resort. If we hadn't bought into DVC, we'd be staying at the Moderate resorts every time.

With DVC, we've been able to use our points toward One Bedroom and Two Bedroom accommodations. And we have no regrets over the $$$ spent.

I think there are certain aspects of DVC that will turn people off. Some are loyal to other WDW resorts and feel it's too great a sacrifice to give up the Poly or Contemporary as a viable destination. Others are put-off by the word "timeshare" and won't even give it a look. Heck, until I learned about renting points and stayed at OKW myself, I can't imagine that I would have ever given DVC its due consideration.

If you're interested in spending 20+ days in a studio or 10+ days in a 1B/2B every two years, DVC bears further investigation.
 
I have also meet the people who think that DVC is a bad bargin.

do you love WDW????

can you always image staying on-site????

are you a true Disney nut?

and has been pointed out do you go to WDW every year or every other year?

if you answer yes to the above - I think you will find that DVC is for you - in a big way.

OKW is in great condition the last time I looked in July.

DVC does not let its property get run down. They don't have to - the costs go back to the membership. So they are always fixing it up.

every 5 years all the DVC resorts get rehab. at oKW it is one building at a time.

OKW is probably in better condition. Why? the members are generated older and have been in DVC since the beginning. They know if something is wrong - call housekeeping/maintence - it won't get better until you call. They learned (like me) long ago - OKW will only get better if the members care enough to say this needs to be fixed.
 
yeah i know about the dues. i am thinking of buying through disney. when are the points able to be used for new members. i heard it was sometime in 2005 they start due to the fact that the bulding os not done yet.
 
The building schedule for SSR is lagging behind sales. If you want to buy SSR, you have two options:

1. Pay $95 per point. You get your first set of SSR points sometime after March 2005. However, DVC will give you a set of Developer's Points equal to the amount you purchase (buy a 150-pt contract, get a one time allotment of 150 DP) which can be used anytime between now and 9/30/05.

2. Pay $85 per point and get your first set of points after 3/05.

DVC will probably sell you points at the other "sold-out" resorts, but you'll pay a flat $89 per point and will only get 38 yrs (vs 49/50 at SSR).

If you want points at a resort other than SSR, you're better off buying a resale contract. But if you go resale, you need to do a little legwork to find a negotiate a contract. It also takes longer to complete the transaction, and you'll have to find your own financing for a resale.
 
Speaking strictly for our family we think it's worth it. We plan to keep going to Disney every year and we were staying in the Deluxe resorts. We have 3 kids so we'd be staying in a Deluxe every year. They sleep 5 and are our favorite resorts. So, cost wise for us, I think it's a good deal. It's paying for Disney vacations all at one time instead of paying for the BWI or YC every year. Plus, Disney increases the rack rates of the rooms every year (or at least it seems that way)!
We bought a resale a BWV because we love that resort and the Epcot resort area. I would say buy a resale if you want a particular resort, not necessarily to save money. SSR is supposed to be really nice and Disney has good incentives to buy right now. I have never stayed at OKW because we just became DVC this year but, I have read many great things about it. I can't wait to try it.
Yes, there are yearly fees but you can pay them monthly if you want. Plus, the villas have washer and dryers and kitchens with nice size fridges. Being able to sit on the balcony with a nice cold drink while the washer and dryer are going and my kids are asleep in another room is priceless to me. Good luck with what ever you decide. :D
 
I wonder how many people are throwing money away with DVC. Nothing specific to this thread, but I see people from time to time who are obviously paying far more for their vacations owning DVC than if they did the EXACT vacations and did not own DVC. We're talking in the range of thousands over of dollars in just a couple of years in many cases. And they're happily doing it. It is very interesting to me, especially since many of them have convinced themselves how great a deal they have.
 
Originally posted by Dean
I wonder how many people are throwing money away with DVC. Nothing specific to this thread, but I see people from time to time who are obviously paying far more for their vacations owning DVC than if they did the EXACT vacations and did not own DVC. We're talking in the range of thousands over of dollars in just a couple of years in many cases. And they're happily doing it. It is very interesting to me, especially since many of them have convinced themselves how great a deal they have.
Not doubting you, but I would love to see some examples of this.
I have certainly seen people not using their points in the most efficient manner (myself included), but nothing to the extent you are describing here.

Of course, I believe the best use of points is using them for whatever makes you happy. ;)

MG
 
To be honest, I think anyone who buys through Disney right now should be buying only SSR even if it's an add-on.

I know that people love their home resorts but I can't understand wanting to pay more money for points at a resort that will expire before SSR. Think about it, why pay $89 for 38 yrs when you can pay $85 for 49 yrs. Seems to me that that should be a no brainer.

At this point I would only buy an add-on at the DVC phase I resorts through resale.
 
Originally posted by ripleysmom
To be honest, I think anyone who buys through Disney right now should be buying only SSR even if it's an add-on.

I know that people love their home resorts but I can't understand wanting to pay more money for points at a resort that will expire before SSR. Think about it, why pay $89 for 38 yrs when you can pay $85 for 49 yrs. Seems to me that that should be a no brainer.

At this point I would only buy an add-on at the DVC phase I resorts through resale.
There's always resale. Plus I think you're assuming that people who buy SSR will be able to use their points consistently at the other DVC resorts, an assumption I think is flawed for BCV, VWL and BWV as well as HH and VB for part of the year.
 
I am one of those that are spending more than we ever would have on Disney vacations. But only because we now go every year if not twice a year. If we only go once a year it is for at least 16 days. We would have never done that before.

I am hoping that in the future we will cut back on eating out, especially at those character meals!!! That is where so much of our cost is.

Now I have a confession to make too. This summer we used our points to stay at Coronado Springs. :eek: Before everyone thinks I am completely nuts, this was our first onsite resort and we loved it. In fact we loved that trip so much we bought DVC so we thought we would pay tribute to our beloved first resort.

I'm not really sure if we can blame our extra expense on DVC, it is more likely reading these boards and hearing about everone elses trips that makes me do it!!!

Good luck with your decision,
Lori
 
Originally posted by loribell
I am one of those that are spending more than we ever would have on Disney vacations. But only because we now go every year if not twice a year. If we only go once a year it is for at least 16 days. We would have never done that before.

I am hoping that in the future we will cut back on eating out, especially at those character meals!!! That is where so much of our cost is.

Now I have a confession to make too. This summer we used our points to stay at Coronado Springs. :eek: Before everyone thinks I am completely nuts, this was our first onsite resort and we loved it. In fact we loved that trip so much we bought DVC so we thought we would pay tribute to our beloved first resort.
Lori, anyone can use their points for what they wish, that is not the issue. The point you touch on is one I've made a number of times. That is that DVC does not save the members any money. Many actually go more and spend more money on their trips. That is another issue and whether it's a good thing or bad thing depends on how you look at it.

MG, I did a quick run through of the numbers. I assumed 300 SSR points bought now and financed. I assumed 9 years in a 2 BR for 7 days, two DC stays, two DCL trips and 2 CC stays, one exchange and 4 missed years to make up the extra points. I used real life numbers and points as much as I could and a 30% discount (added taxes) essentially everywhere else including DVC cash prices. I added in the actual purchase price averaged over a 50 year period and assume all price, point, fee, etc inflation would average out over time. I did count the interest on financing 80%. Doing this I got a cash investment of $49500 over 20 years buying DVC and $47900 using just cash. I can send you more specifics if you like but I didn't want to be to convoluted here. IMO, this is the best case scenario for using DVC as some report they plan to do. I'd estimate one could cut the above cash price by 40-50% by looking at alternate choices or times of the year and still do the same trips. If one went with timeshare for the areas they'd work then just paid cash for the cruises, The price cold be 25% or less of the above cash price plus you'd get more years of vacation.

OTOH, it's very possible to use DVC and get a great value. The cheapest option to do the same thing I've described above would be to buy just enough points to do Sunday to Friday and pay cash for the weekends and non DVC stays. I'd estimate that cut the costs by 50% or more as well. So when I say one is paying a LOT more, I'm referring to using DVC heavily for weekends and/or for non DVC options.

I also realize there's a convenience factor but it only goes so far when dollars are concerned. And remember that using cash gives you a LOT more options and a LOT more protection as well as more choices. So if the dollars were simply break even over time, buying DVC would be an extremely poor choice, IMO of course.
 
Dean - your analysis is always thought provoking. I tend to look at things with Disney colored glasses. That's like when you're standing on Main Street USA, holding out your wallet, watching the bills fly out of it and saying, "Isn't this wonderful?." But you and several others look at the numbers without emotion and crunch them. That's one of the great things about this board. There are so many people who look at things in so many different ways it gives you a great perspective on how to maximize the use of your "investment." (It's not an investment, it's committing you vacation dollars to Disney)

Of course there is a down side to having too much information as well. I was a DVC member for 10 years before joining this board and never thought twice about booking the weekends on points. Now before I book again, I will pursue the other options.

When you book for cash can you do that at the same time you make your points reservation? Or do you make your reservation on points and then exchange cash for points at some later time?
 















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