Dress code relaxed for adult restaurants

[KiwiSam]

"Classist", ever hear of tradition...

The Carousel of Progress only spins in one direction. Tradition is never a good reason to keep doing things the same way forever.

 

[anricat]

"Classist", ever hear of tradition...

I have, as it happens. And some traditions simply don't need to continue. Plenty of traditions have roots in classism, racism, sexism and other human rights/equality situations and it's important that we recognize that. We can find new ways, new traditions. We don't need to keep doing a thing just because it's a tradition to do so. Men used to always wear hats everywhere. It was a tradition. Women used to be looked on as homemakers who should stay home and raise children and cook. We don't do these things (and many many more I could list here) any more. Does that bother you? I mean, it used to be a tradition!

We keep moving forward as a society and a culture. Hanging onto outdated cultural norms just because it is a tradition is just silly.

 

[Kwami]

I have, as it happens. And some traditions simply don't need to continue. Plenty of traditions have roots in classism, racism, sexism and other human rights/equality situations and it's important that we recognize that. We can find new ways, new traditions. We don't need to keep doing a thing just because it's a tradition to do so. Men used to always wear hats everywhere. It was a tradition. Women used to be looked on as homemakers who should stay home and raise children and cook. We don't do these things (and many many more I could list here) any more. Does that bother you? I mean, it used to be a tradition!

We keep moving forward as a society and a culture. Hanging onto outdated cultural norms just because it is a tradition is just silly.

We should totally bring back stylish hats, though.

 

[PezRuth]

I personally do not like the change but I do understand it. I love dressing up. It is fun for me but I get it not everyone feels the same. Also some people may not have the dressier clothes because it just doesn't fit their lives. I get that completely. I also understand not wanting to pack it if you do not want to. I am leaving on a Med cruise in two days on Disney. I was in a group chatting about formal night. Lots of people were saying they are not going to dress up. Here is my plan (and this would be my same plan with Remy), I am dressing up - packed my sequin dress - but I am dressing up because I want to. I just don't care want anyone else does.

 

[PezRuth]

We should totally bring back stylish hats, though.

Completely agree with this statement.

 

[BK2014]

I'm with you on this topic. It has nothing to do with being rich or belonging. I dress for the occasion to show respect. I don't dress like a beach bum when attending church, a wedding, a social engagement, or a funeral, I dress accordingly to show I understand the meaning of the event and all that it took to make me feel welcome.

I've never tipped the staff or host at a church, wedding, funeral, or social occasion. At a restaurant, we tip very, very well.

In many places, there are dress codes for entering a church or cathedral to show respect for the structure and what it represents thus setting guidelines on your behavior.

The discussion is about the new dress code on DCL for adult-only dining.

I apologize if I was off-topic, but I was literally responding to things that you brought up . . .

 

[Cruising Engineer]

I apologize if I was off-topic, but I was literally responding to things that you brought up . . .

These were my reasons to dress the way I do when going to a function or special occasion. I don't judge others, I only judge myself. Showing appreciation to someone for their hard work, attention to detail, and service is for me to go the extra step.

 

[BroadwayHermione5]

What are lifestyle shoes?

I may be wrong on this, but I think it’s those flat/sneakers hybrid. My mom wears them a lot due to having metal in her foot from surgery.

 

[Whisker]

I like to dress up, but it will be nice to have the option to pack a bit less clothing. I know I've seen people at Palo that were not dressed according to the dress code before. I'm sure they just had to palm a bill to get in. It is nice now that others who may not have the ability to bribe can now go and feel comfortable with everyone else.

 

[Kindle Addict]

I am glad they are relaxing the code, especially at Remy's. We go there each cruise, and my husband hates the tie and jacket requirement. Plus it is extra packing which we'd prefer not to do. This will make a nicer dining occasion for us. As for others, dress up if you like! I love seeing your pretty dresses!

 

[magsnwonderland]

I love dressing up at home, but traveling by plane with a family of 5, including car seats for the youngest 2, we have enough luggage with just the bare minimum. Having to dedicate additional space to a suit/jacket, fancy dress and single wear shoes would keep us from planning to go to Remy. The days of traveling with steamer trunks full of clothes for every occasion are gone when you have to pay for every piece of luggage you bring (when flying).

 

[squirk]

As someone who’s been a server at restaurants both fancy and … not fancy:

While I can only speak for myself, I will throw in 100% with those who say the true measure of respect you have for a restaurant and your serving team is how you act, not how you dress.

To be clear, if the restaurant has a dress code and you try to ignore it, that is indeed an act of disrespect toward the establishment.

But if the restaurant gives you the discretion to wear a polo vs. a true collared dress shirt? I, as a server, honestly could not care less what you wear. And I guarantee you that the back of the house cares even less than me.

I’ve seen plenty of people dressed all classy, but nonetheless show their *** at a restaurant - treating the staff like garbage, complete lack of manners, obnoxious sense of entitlement, messy slobs, getting drunk and disruptive, stiffing their server on a tip, etc.

And I’ve seen plenty of people who were dressed more plainly, yet were the nicest, most courteous and most respectful customers I’ve ever had.

I will take the nice customer in a polo shirt vs. the ***-off in the suit and tie any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

If somebody is uncomfortable in Remy because their personal standards of dress aren’t being met by other guests (who are nonetheless abiding by DCL’s dress code), I suggest those people find somewhere else to eat - like their stateroom.

 

[mgibson301]

I was turned away about 3 years ago on an Alaskan itinerary at Palo wearing dark bootcut jeans, a blazer, silk shirt and heels for brunch. The lady next to us was wearing some type of pants that looked like pajamas BUT they were not jeans. It was embarrassing but the staff tried to be discrete (small area so everyone heard) and pulled us aside to say I was inappropriately dressed and would hold our reservation while I changed clothes. I ran back and changed but honestly thought I looked smart in my outfit and tried not to let it ruin the brunch. Now we laugh about it...remember that time Palo said you were inappropriately dressed in front of everyone? Get it together already

 

[Lilsia]

The only rules I wished they enforced were no cologne or perfume. Nothing ruins a great meal faster than having to smell the other guests. I could care less about what others wear. I can always look away if I don't like it but you can't escape people's stench.

YES! So much this. Perfumes and colognes set off my allergies big time. Nothing like getting an instant headage, runny nose, and eyes tearing up the whole meal because someone doesn't know how to edit on their fragrance. I never understood how nobody close to those people not tell them that they are smelling up the whole room. Nobody should smell you from 10 feet away. I get that a person gets desensitized to it, but I would want to know if I am putting on so much that the smell lingers after I leave the room. I would hope that no one would want to be that person.

 

[Lilsia]

Showing respect to the chefs and staff in the kitchen for preparing a multi-course meal that I expect to enjoy. Showing respect to the dining room maitre d and waiters for their professionalism, knowledge, and attention to every detail. And, finally, to the room itself with white table cloths, place settings, and fresh flowers surrounded by the beautiful decor. In many places, there are dress codes for entering a church or cathedral to show respect for the structure and what it represents thus setting guidelines on your behavior.

As someone who has worked in food for over 30 years, I can say that we don't care if you wear slacks or jeans. Or if you put on a tie. In fact, it is usually those that come off as "rich" and all fancy that are usually the biggest jerks. I rather help someone who may not own nicer clothes, but are out for a special occasion, then someone who expect others around them to conform to their standards. You show respect by your actions, not by what shoes you are wearing. At least that is how most of us see it from the other side.

 

[adamreisinger]

One thing I do appreciate about the updated dress code is that it's no longer separated by gender. Given that inclusion is now one of the five keys for Disney, this is a positive step forward.

 

[Scalemaster34]

Could just go back to having to order a Tux to be delivered to the room.... Back in olden times, dressing up for Captains Night, meant really dressing up.

But by no means do I want that to be the norm again.

 

[Flagondry]

It’s a more inclusive move. Many people don’t own suits anymore, as they aren’t required for work. Fashion trends dictate what is coveted and deemed fancy. This allows for more expression than one specific standard.

Ie:fashion shoes. They mean sneaker heads. Many sneakers are highly desired and very limited and hard to get. For someone who loves sneakers (not me) or loves Gucci then dressing up to them is pulling out those special items saved for a special occasion but would not have previously been deemed as fancy.

This recognizes more than the standard corporate, corner office style of dressed up. Even those fashions have shifted too, amongst gen Z

There has also been a shift to newer organizations doing away with dress codes and ceos that no longer wear suits and ties to work. It just isn’t what is preferred anymore. Of course, I think fashion should be fun. I love the idea of wider inclusion and hope to see some cool outfits. I also like the move allowing people not to pack more and just enjoy being relaxed and not stressed about an outfit. For those that like traditional, this doesn’t ban that fashion and those that love a beautiful suit will look awesome walking in the door.

 

[Ralph&Pam]

Could just go back to having to order a Tux to be delivered to the room.... Back in olden times, dressing up for Captains Night, meant really dressing up.

But by no means do I want that to be the norm again.

DCL no longer offers tux and suit rentals onboard, so the only option would be packing your own.

 

[tvguy]

Cruisers are demanding much more casual experiences.
My first cruise, on another cruise line, you wore a suit to dinner EVERY night except formal night, then you wore a tux.
Kind of sad, because playing all day, getting cleaned up and dressed up for dinner is kind of what cruises (were/are) all about.