Disney has lost another family - do they care?

[amg35]

I wonder why anyone would bother with park hoppers anymore? You only get fast passes in one park, and by the time you would usually hop over it will be impossible to ride anything due to crowds. I am another who is disappointed with this new system. I would be willing to pay extra for the old fast pass system!

Here's why I'm still happy with park hoppers.

If schedules are the same from last year, I know that a Saturday I will be there MK is open until 1:00 am. So, in the morning I will rope drop either Epcot or DHS and get on the headliners I want to, then go on whatever else I feel like. Go back to hotel and relax at pool, eat an early dinner, and then go to MK where I have made my fast pass reservations during the night for the rides I choose!

Or the opposite, I will fast pass my morning parks, and then spend my evenings at Epcot for dinner and strolling through World Showcase.

And that's how I plan to tour!

 

[practicallyperfect77]

Unless you drop this FP "abuser" crap, I'm not going to take a single one of your posts seriously. I used FP within the "rules", and did so with Disney's blessing. It is not my problem that you chose to use it not as much, and I don't feel guilty one whit that I used it more. I took more than my "fair share" not because I could or because I deserved more, but because WDW said I could and I wanted to. I didn't need your approval to go on ahead with that plan thankyouverymuch.

For cryin' out loud.

Amen! If I was on my laptop instead of.phone, I'd give ya a.thumbs up!

 

[Planogirl]

mom2mickeyfan, you have 900+ posts out here. I see you posting constantly about how FP+ is bad for you. Yes, Disney will putt off previous FP- abusers w the new FP+. But, for each person offended, Disney is gaining 100 new customers that will each spend more money than the one lost. Yet here you are. Posting. Hating. 900 posts.

Unfortunately for you, your actions speak louder than your words. You love Disney. Period! You spend your days out here on disboards... why - because you hate Disney? Because you think Universal is really an alternative? Seriously? If that was the case you would have 900 posts on "uniboards" or whatever. But you don't. You hang here. On disboards - because despite all this, you love Disney. You despise the idea of actually calling Universal your "home" because it just is not the same.

Tomorrow, you will be here.

The next day, you will be here.

In a year - you will be here.

Like most of us, Disney is in you. The characters. The "so far below Universal standards" rides [roll]. WDW is your park. FP+ will sink in, and in a few years FP- will be nothing more than stories of "when used to have to run across the park and grab paper tickets...".

Anyways. Just sayin. If you really felt this way - you wouldn't be here. Yet - here you are. Loving Disney. Thinking about your next trip.

Why you feel the need to constantly argue every person who says they like FP+ is beyond me, given you clearly are not switching to Universal as a serious alternative other than as an 'extra' to go to on a Disney trip. You can't just break from those characters you love. Those characters Disney owns.

Enjoy your trips. Even with FP+. There are more important things in live to spend your days hating than a ride system at a park. The park you love, and will always love.

I'm here and I love Universal. I can always love them both.

I don't have a zillion posts on the Uni boards because Universal is easy to plan for. You don't (usually) need Express or reservations of any kind. You simply go, tour a little wisely and relax. That type of touring doesn't take much planning.

WDW is a whole other creature. It requires extensive planning and the changes are rapid. Of course someone will have many more posts here than "over there" because it is necessary.

Apples and oranges.

Oh, I have a lot more than 900 posts.

 

[skater]

I'm right there with ya! Although I don't really think using the system as it was allowed to be used is selfish. I feel we a had the same opportunity to get however many we could..some did....some didn't.

I think some of the people that call it abuse are the ones who did not take advantage of the old system because they were behind the curve by missing RD. I think most people would utilize it to the max if they could. There are very few people that would not use it to the max out of a misplaced belief that it was wrong.

 

[wdwfreak]

This new system has nothing to do with limiting the "abusers". It has to do with locking guest into their parks before they ever leave their homes.

You did, actually.

 

[k10mouse]

i hope to be going tomorrow (although snow might change that) for the first time with the fp+ system so I don't know how it will work out but I find that Disney is always collecting data on how visitors feel and they do change things

 

[Spork24]

While we may not agree, I respect this respectful post. Its refreshing. Why do you think SB lines will be reduced? I found the opposite to be true in October.

Fewer FPs used should result in faster throughput of the standby lines. Unless there are significantly more users using FP than before the standby lines should move faster except in locations where there were no FPs before and are now (like pirates). But the overall average ride times should fall at each park if we are actually using less FPs as a whole. October is not a good indicator because both systems were active at the same time.

 

[skater]

Here's why I'm still happy with park hoppers.

If schedules are the same from last year, I know that a Saturday I will be there MK is open until 1:00 am. So, in the morning I will rope drop either Epcot or DHS and get on the headliners I want to, then go on whatever else I feel like. Go back to hotel and relax at pool, eat an early dinner, and then go to MK where I have made my fast pass reservations during the night for the rides I choose!

Or the opposite, I will fast pass my morning parks, and then spend my evenings at Epcot for dinner and strolling through World Showcase.

And that's how I plan to tour!

This is a positive way to utilize what we're stuck with. I don't like many aspects of the new system, but I will be doing something like this. And I will be able to use it to secure fp's for arrival day. But I would trade all of this for the old system that allowed me to get more fp's, more than one for the same ride, and had no tiering. But I can understand why you like it - it fits nicely into what you like to do.

 

[amg35]

Here's why I'm still happy with park hoppers.

If schedules are the same from last year, I know that a Saturday I will be there MK is open until 1:00 am. So, in the morning I will rope drop either Epcot or DHS and get on the headliners I want to, then go on whatever else I feel like. Go back to hotel and relax at pool, eat an early dinner, and then go to MK where I have made my fast pass reservations during the night for the rides I choose!

Or the opposite, I will fast pass my morning parks, and then spend my evenings at Epcot for dinner and strolling through World Showcase.

And that's how I plan to tour!

Quoting my own post!

I also want my hoppers because in October where most of the parks do close earlier most nights, I can always stroll around Epcot in the evenings for Food/Wine. We are staying at Beach Club, so convenient. And we are there 9 nights.

Sorry kids, I think it will work out okay for us. (but I understand it might not for others)

 

[skater]

i hope to be going tomorrow (although snow might change that) for the first time with the fp+ system so I don't know how it will work out but I find that Disney is always collecting data on how visitors feel and they do change things

I hope you get to go !

 

[Shaden]

mom2mickeyfan, you have 900+ posts out here. I see you posting constantly about how FP+ is bad for you. Yes, Disney will putt off previous FP- abusers w the new FP+. But, for each person offended, Disney is gaining 100 new customers that will each spend more money than the one lost. Yet here you are. Posting. Hating. 900 posts.

.

I love when people make up absolute GARBAGE numbers they pull out of thin air and pretend as if they have an clue what they are talking about ...

I love it, they make such awesome sense, nothing fuzzy about that logic at all.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

You did, actually.

 

[skater]

Fewer FPs used should result in faster throughput of the standby lines. Unless there are significantly more users using FP than before the standby lines should move faster except in locations where there were no FPs before and are now (like pirates). But the overall average ride times should fall at each park if we are actually using less FPs as a whole. October is not a good indicator because both systems were active at the same time.

I want you to be right, but I don't see it. I'll post my own experience in a couple weeks though I'm sure there will be lots of posts supporting every scenario .

 

[amg35]

I want you to be right, but I don't see it. I'll post my own experience in a couple weeks though I'm sure there will be lots of posts supporting every scenario .

I am sending positive thoughts that you are going to have an AWESOME trip!

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Oh, I have a lot more than 900 posts.

Show off!

 

[Shaden]

"FP- Abusers"

I guess if I had to define it, I'd say it's "ppl who take more than their share, simply because they can or feel they deserve more."

Think of it this way... if your work put out a box of candy. And no one is looking. Are you supposed to take 1? Or take 10? Or just take the whole box?

Yeah. If you get there early, you can take more than anyone else. Heck you can take the whole box and not be "illegal". But, you know you're taking from other ppl and it's not right so you only take your share.

Now with FP- it's the same thing. "I take more because I get there before others and I am quicker than them and I make the effort to take more than them". Well, okay. That's your view. You're still taking more than your share.

Only, it's okay because you don't know those ppl who are getting on less as a result! Right? If this was a box of candy at work, you'd never take them all because you know you'd be held to social standards..

If work put out a box of chocolates and said "Employees are entitled to take 1 Chocolate every 2 hours" and sure, some employees showed up every 2 hours, and grabbed a chocolate, while others, who don't like chocolate, or are on diets, or who just didn't feel like taking a chocolate, didn't. Are the employees who took a chocolate every 2 hours until they were gone "wrong" ... not in the slightest.

Seriously, your "examples", your logic, your entire attempt at solidifying your point of view are so poorly done. It's easy to deconstruct them and show how little reason they demonstrate.

 

[skater]

I am sending positive thoughts that you are going to have an AWESOME trip!

Thank you! I am so excited - which is why I can't sleep tonight and my trip is a week away! Its just my sister and I, so we won't be worried about riding everything anyway. And I love so much about Disney that as long as my health is good, my teeth don't hurt (I have an unbelievable history of tooth issues on vacation), and there's at least a little sunshine, all will be great.

 

[Planogirl]

I'm still waiting for proof that I posted my family was going to Universal. I accepted long ago that I was a FP abuser. I now attend weekly meetings to help control my problem. You should join me. They have cookies!

My family does go to Universal. Plus we usually only took 3-4 fastpasses per day. What does that make me?

 

[mavadell]

A lot of people (on site and offsite) book room only instead of a package. We always stay on site, but add our tickets when we arrive in case we have to cancel because with room only you can cancel with no penalty five days before your trip. Now we have to buy our tickets 60 days out to have the same FP+ booking ability as everyone else, thus Disney has now locked us into their parks by forcing us to buy tickets before we leave. That's the purpose of FP+. Understand?

 

[Spork24]

I want you to be right, but I don't see it. I'll post my own experience in a couple weeks though I'm sure there will be lots of posts supporting every scenario .

The problem is with wait times you will see what you want to see. (We all do at times) There are so many variables. I went in January (I know January is traditionally low crowds) but one of the days I was there the MK was Packed ( at least by January standards) and there got to be a 45 minute wait at pirates. I heard people in line that were blasting the new system and saying it was all FP+ fault. But at the same time SM was only about 50 min I think. Any other day I've been to MK where there were enough people to build that kind of line at pirates, SM would have been at least 50 min. So make sure you try to take the whole park into account in your analysis and don't point at one outlier for your evidence. (Not saying it's easy)