Disney has lost another family - do they care?

[kappyfamily]

Just curious why people feel they have to start an entirely knew thread on how much they hate FP? Can't you just go on to one of 675 threads started already and just agree and state your reasoning....ugh.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Guess you were a fp abuser . And I'm right there with you. You're probably just banging your head against the wall trying to explain though.

I'm still waiting for proof that I posted my family was going to Universal. I accepted long ago that I was a FP abuser. I now attend weekly meetings to help control my problem. You should join me. They have cookies!

 

[Angel Ariel]

"FP- Abusers"

I guess if I had to define it, I'd say it's "ppl who take more than their share, simply because they can or feel they deserve more."

Disney decided when people could get their next FP. They clearly stated it on the bottom of each FP. People who chose to get another FP when their FP told them they were allowed to were not abusing the system.

 

[kittyab]

On our next trip I plan to do the rope drop and have my fp+ for the after noon. Might even hop to another park and use the fp there.

 

[skater]

I'm still waiting for proof that I posted my family was going to Universal. I accepted long ago that I was a FP abuser. I now attend weekly meetings to help control my problem. You should join me. They have cookies!

Do they let you take more than your share of cookies?

 

[wdwfreak]

It has to do with locking guest into their parks before they ever leave their homes.

I don't understand? How are you locked into a park? Because of FP+? You know you can change your FP+ at any time, right? Even the day of. So if you wake up and decide you'd rather to Epcot, you can change your FP to that park. Reports says that all experiences are still available the day of. So, how are you locked in exactly?

 

[Spork24]

Just curious why people feel they have to start an entirely knew thread on how much they hate FP? Can't you just go on to one of 675 threads started already and just agree and state your reasoning....ugh.

This!

 

[wdwfreak]

Just curious why people feel they have to start an entirely knew thread on how much they hate FP? Can't you just go on to one of 675 threads started already and just agree and state your reasoning....ugh.

Amen.

 

[MrInfinity]

Thanks for saying what many of us are thinking!

I've used FP+ and love it (admittedly not during peak season yet, but looking forward to it). No more walking all the way accross the park only to find the FP time conflicts with your dinner plans, or FPs are gone for the day. No more park hopping to find all the FP's taken for the rides you want (I'll be saving mine for the park I'm going to hop too on hopping days). What's that, Disney emails me when the ride I've booked FP for is down so I don't waste my time. (They must not care about me) I will admit, as someone in my late 20's I live and work on my smartphone constantly and this the new system is tailored to me. I also love planning out my disney trips. (Though I'm not sure how these people that complain about scheduling their day managed to get back to their 4:30 FP for TSMM with the old system without planning)

I'm not sure about you guys, but I was not as effective as a FP user on my first trip with FP as I was after some experience. I expect FP+ to be the same. I like it now, but can certainly see liking it better in the future.

The main other FP+ myth is that FP+ is the reason the lines are longer because more people are using Standby because they are limited to 3 FP now. This may effect the actual length of the line in some cases (in ft or m) but not in minutes. If there are fewer people using FP (called cutting in line in elementary school) then the standby line will move faster, this is simple physics. So if fewer total FP are used each day then the average standby wait time will be less than it would have been under the old system, PERIOD! The lines for one or two rides may be a bit longer but the average standby times should be trending down under the new system. If you look only at attractions that had no FP and now have FP+ The standby lines may very well be longer. I'll gladly lengthen C ticket attraction lines by a few minutes to reduce the E's by 30 min. The standby line length issue is one that is pointless to argue too much about because no one on these boards has the information that Disney has that proves me correct.

Now there is an argument that more people are using FP+ than the old system and that the same number or more FP+ are being used than before and this is causing longer standby lines. If that is in fact the case then There are a lot more people loving the system than hating it (they just aren't on DIS) because they are doing more at the parks than before. I'm not sure if I buy that argument, but as I said I haven't seen the numbers. Disney has the numbers, and I promise you they "care" very much about how this system impacts vacationers. Because Disney is definitely big on repeat business and word of mouth recommendations to drive their profit margins.


To all the people whining about the Tiers. I feel your pain. I don't like it either, but it's a necessary evil. I didn't like TSMM and Soarin running out of paper fast passes 20 min after park open either. There are only so many FP riders that can "cut in line" per hour without the standby line going away. If you get rid of tiers, you will go back to many people being unable to get a FP to either of the main rides (at Epcot or HS). If you increase the number of FPs available then you might as well not have standby and make the ride by reservation only. (I'd love to read this board the day they announce that) this problem will only go away by disney building a couple more E rides in each of these parks. There is nothing announced at this time unfortunately. So we will just have to live with tiers for a while.


That's just how I see it. Nothing against you guys who have tried it and don't like it (like OP). I wish those that have not used it would find something better to do than speculate what it will be like to use it. (That's unlikely) I'm not sure why they are even worried about it as many have said they are done with Disney anyway, so why waste their time.

I think disney has made some very difficult moves to make their park much more user friendly.(Ive said for years there was a better way to distribute FPs than a single location ticket pickup) I believe disney can and will tweak the system as we approach the summer to address as many concerns as possible. I look forward to seeing what they will do.

Off to bed. One day closer to May!

 

[rteetz]

I don't understand? How are you locked into a park? Because of FP+? You know you can change your FP+ at any time, right? Even the day of. So if you wake up and decide you'd rather to Epcot, you can change your FP to that park. Reports says that all experiences are still available the day of. So, how are you locked in exactly?

I agree there really has been a lot of positivity out of this but it seems the negativeness gets a lot more traffic or notice.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Do they let you take more than your share of cookies?

No, sorry, after all you are in the FP "abuser's" club. They want any extras to go to waste.

 

[cygnusx1jg]

So I wonder where this ends. Eventually everyone that goes to WDW will have a Magicband so that Disney can track each guests spending habits. My next guess is that each person will be labled so that the people who work there can see the level of spending and treat people like me----seasonal pass, go every other Saturday to ride rides, don't buy souvenirs, don't stay on property, and usually drives to a much cheaper fast food place for meals----as a second or third class Disney tourist.

 

[Spork24]

Disney decided when people could get their next FP. They clearly stated it on the bottom of each FP. People who chose to get another FP when their FP told them they were allowed to were not abusing the system.

And that's your argument when you are now blasting Disney's new rules.

For the record I agree that "abuser" and extreme user are not the same. But it's just funny that the same people blasting Disney's rules are citing them in their defense.

 

[Rosanne]

I would agree that is one goal. Tho ADRs did that. But then you had ADR-abusers (go on lash out at me! ) You know ppl who would book 10 ADRs in a day then show up to 1, not caring that 9 other ppl didn't get to make a ressie cuz they knew they could block out 10. So Disney is closing that loophole... but getting back to your point...

I would say aside from FURTHER locking in the park (combined with ADRs) the FP+ has other benefits...

Make ppl less likely to retain unwanted ADRs... cuz now you are locking in your FP picks, you will not need those alternate ADRs as backups.

And most importantly, get the bulk of their visitors a good experience, on 3 rides, on a few more standby, then off and drinking and shopping.. instead of those potential shoppers waiting in line cuz they didn't know they should split up their family and go run for FP tickets right away.

It was not very intuitive before. The concept of FP running is an "optimization strategy" that only a few learn... (myself included, remember, I was an FP- master too). But it is not "normal vacationing" for the bulk of visitors spending the bulk of money.

It just comes down to money. Does Disney listen? Yes. Unfortunately ride-optimizers are only marginally profitable, compared to say that casual vacationer. It's just the reality of life. Don't believe me? Well... Disney seems to agree so I can't really be too off base. I'm not the one saying Disney is going to implode cuz they are offending some ride-optimizer customers.

I am a ride optimizer myself... yet I can look past what I'm not getting - and see the bigger picture here and observe the benefits. Doesn't mean I like it. Doesn't mean I dislike it. But I am smart enough to step back, nod my head, and say:

"Well done, Disney. This is why you are #1. I'll have to give some thought as to how to redo my Disney touring."

Ya know, if Disney wanted to make rides more even all they would have had to do is limit each person to 3 FP per day with the old tickets. It would have been a simple fix ... a little tip tapping on the big old computer and they could have set parameters however they wanted. Disney is the one that set the times available etc.. To put any of your issues about their rules onto people who followed them is disingenuous at best.

 

[Spork24]

On our next trip I plan to do the rope drop and have my fp+ for the after noon. Might even hop to another park and use the fp there.

That's the new best strategy. I think the Hoppers will like FP+ way better than the old system.

 

[skater]

Just curious why people feel they have to start an entirely knew thread on how much they hate FP? Can't you just go on to one of 675 threads started already and just agree and state your reasoning....ugh.

In that case, there should be very few threads on the boards - on any topic. I say this with respect, but I'm curious about why you would have to open a thread to criticize it? I know it sounds snarky and I'm sorry for that. I'm just frustrated by the attacks on the posters who don't like this system. I don't find myself opening supportive fp threads to bash the people who love the new system .

 

[Rosanne]

I'm still waiting for proof that I posted my family was going to Universal. I accepted long ago that I was a FP abuser. I now attend weekly meetings to help control my problem. You should join me. They have cookies!

Most likely Fuzzylogic has you confused with another poster (a very cool poster, I might add) with a screen name that starts with some of the same letters as yours.

There are a few posters with similar screen names that I can confuse also but I'm not dedicated enough to keep track all that well myself.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I don't understand? How are you locked into a park? Because of FP+? You know you can change your FP+ at any time, right? Even the day of. So if you wake up and decide you'd rather to Epcot, you can change your FP to that park. Reports says that all experiences are still available the day of. So, how are you locked in exactly?

Disney believes that if guest plan their FPs before they leave home they will be less likely to leave Disney property. Not talking about changing parks. Disney has stated that they want guest locked into the parks before they ever leave home. Once a family purchases tickets and spent the time to prebook their FP+s then it is a safe bet they will be in a Disney park that day and not leaving their property. They are trying to keep people on Disney property.

 

[FoundNemoLostDori]

FP+ is actually a huge help to those who hop! You need to schedule your selections for your second park of the day, not your first. Then you can show up to your second park in the evening and quickly knock out 3 rides, including headliners that, under the old system, would no longer have FPs to pull. The hopper option looks more appealing to us now than it did before.

Hmmmm Fair enough, Smitch425! This would work if you get to your 1st park at opening. I think if Disney would just forget about the tiering, and add at least one more pass it wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe they will in the future.

 

[Rosanne]

In that case, there should be very few threads on the boards - on any topic. I say this with respect, but I'm curious about why you would have to open a thread to criticize it? I know it sounds snarky and I'm sorry for that. I'm just frustrated by the attacks on the posters who don't like this system. I don't find myself opening supportive fp threads to bash the people who love the new system .

I totally agree with this. When someone opens a thread about how great FP+ is I generally either skip it or say something selectively positive like, "I'm glad you had a great trip!" or "So glad things went smoothly for you". I feel it should be okay to agree with someone who has a thread that isn't so crazy about FP+ because I won't be raining on their parade.