Disney has lost another family - do they care?

[mom2mickeyfan]

Oh, dear. Well, we can't all be practically perfect in every way. Thanks for keeping track of post counts. I have over 1000 now.

And knows what they all say.

 

[brockash]

mom2mickeyfan, you have 900+ posts out here. I see you posting constantly about how FP+ is bad for you. Yes, Disney will putt off previous FP- abusers w the new FP+. But, for each person offended, Disney is gaining 100 new customers that will each spend more money than the one lost. Yet here you are. Posting. Hating. 900 posts.

Unfortunately for you, your actions speak louder than your words. You love Disney. Period! You spend your days out here on disboards... why - because you hate Disney? Because you think Universal is really an alternative? Seriously? If that was the case you would have 900 posts on "uniboards" or whatever. But you don't. You hang here. On disboards - because despite all this, you love Disney. You despise the idea of actually calling Universal your "home" because it just is not the same.

Tomorrow, you will be here.

The next day, you will be here.

In a year - you will be here.

Like most of us, Disney is in you. The characters. The "so far below Universal standards" rides [roll]. WDW is your park. FP+ will sink in, and in a few years FP- will be nothing more than stories of "when used to have to run across the park and grab paper tickets...".

Anyways. Just sayin. If you really felt this way - you wouldn't be here. Yet - here you are. Loving Disney. Thinking about your next trip.

Why you feel the need to constantly argue every person who says they like FP+ is beyond me, given you clearly are not switching to Universal as a serious alternative other than as an 'extra' to go to on a Disney trip. You can't just break from those characters you love. Those characters Disney owns.

Enjoy your trips. Even with FP+. There are more important things in live to spend your days hating than a ride system at a park. The park you love, and will always love.

I'm really curious as to your statement that I bolded. What do you mean by the old fastpass abusers? I'm really trying to understand how someone could "abuse" the old system? Everyone was able to gain as many fastpasses as they wished (whether that be none for those who didn't care about it or 8, 9, 10 for others)...where was the abuse or is there something that I am not understanding?

 

[Rosanne]

And knows what they all say.

That's dedication!!!

 

[Rosanne]

I'm really curious as to your statement that I bolded. What do you mean by the old fastpass abusers? I'm really trying to understand how someone could "abuse" the old system? Everyone was able to gain as many fastpasses as they wished (whether that be none as individuals like yourself or 8, 9, 10 for others)...where was the abuse or is there something that I am not understanding?

Sorry, you have too many posts. You can't question things. You love Disney too much. Just accept... just accept.

 

[FoundNemoLostDori]

I wonder why anyone would bother with park hoppers anymore? You only get fast passes in one park, and by the time you would usually hop over it will be impossible to ride anything due to crowds. I am another who is disappointed with this new system. I would be willing to pay extra for the old fast pass system!

 

[brockash]

Sorry, you have too many posts. You can't question things. You love Disney too much. Just accept... just accept.

I suppose that may be true...perhaps my opinion has no value, as some think we're a "guarantee" . I really am curious though as to the fastpass "abusers" comment. It just makes absolutely no sense, unless there's some aspect that I'm missing.

 

[Rosanne]

I wonder why anyone would bother with park hoppers anymore? You only get fast passes in one park, and by the time you would usually hop over it will be impossible to ride anything due to crowds. I am another who is disappointed with this new system. I would be willing to pay extra for the old fast pass system!

Me too!

Love your screen name BTW.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I suppose that may be true...perhaps my opinion has no value, as some think we're a "guarantee" . I really am curious though as to the fastpass "abusers" comment. It just makes absolutely no sense, unless there's some aspect that I'm missing.

There are some that feel that those that bothered to research, actually read the bottom of their tickets to see when they could get another and pulled a paper for a ride they already had one FP for was "abusing" the system. They think that the old system was too hard to figure out and we were taking advantage of those that weren't in the know. I don't believe there are many that think that but there are some.

 

[brockash]

There are some that feel that those that bothered to research, actually read the bottom of their tickets to see when they could get another and pulled a paper for a ride they already had one FP for was "abusing" the system. They think that the old system was too hard to figure out and we were taking advantage of those that weren't in the know. I don't believe there are many that think that but there are some.

That just seems insane, if that really is how some ppl. thought. I mean that's like saying a student who reads the directions or who does research on their topic for a research paper are giving themselves an unfair advantage to those students who don't care to do either. It's just so illogical. Like I've said before, different vacationers have different priorities. There's nothing wrong with either, some hold riding the rides with the least amount of wait time at the top of their priority list, while others are not too concerned with that aspect. We happen to fall into the first group, however never in a million years would I have ever considered or even been able to make any kind of argument for explaining it as "abuse of the system." That's just crazy. I suppose then, those vacationers who hold spending time at their resort and at the pool are abusing that perk??? I guess I should be pretty disgusted with them for making such good use out of perks that I didn't hold to a high priority and therefore didn't use very frequently.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

That just seems insane, if that really is how some ppl. thought. I mean that's like saying a student who reads the directions or who does research on their topic for a research paper are giving themselves an unfair advantage to those students who don't care to do either. It's just so illogical.

Just repeat some of the things I've read others say. I happen to agree with you.

 

[Rosanne]

That just seems insane, if that really is how some ppl. thought. I mean that's like saying a student who reads the directions or who does research on their topic for a research paper are giving themselves an unfair advantage to those students who don't care to do either. It's just so illogical. Like I've said before, different vacationers have different priorities. There's nothing wrong with either, some hold riding the rides with the least amount of wait time at the top of their priority list, while others are not too concerned with that aspect. We happen to fall into the first group, however never in a million years would I have ever considered or even been able to make any kind of argument for explaining it as "abuse of the system." That's just crazy. I suppose then, those vacationers who hold spending time at their resort and at the pool are abusing that perk??? I guess I should be pretty disgusted with them for making such good use out of perks that I didn't hold to a high priority and therefore didn't use very frequently.

I totally agree with you. Some people just have fuzzy logic. You can't help people like that. I'm also not a pool fan and I don't mind at all that there are people at the resort using an entire lounge chair for the whole day while I'm at the park. Go for it!

It was an even playing field. You got out of it what you put into it.

 

[MrInfinity]

That just seems insane, if that really is how some ppl. thought. I mean that's like saying a student who reads the directions or who does research on their topic for a research paper are giving themselves an unfair advantage to those students who don't care to do either. It's just so illogical. Like I've said before, different vacationers have different priorities. There's nothing wrong with either, some hold riding the rides with the least amount of wait time at the top of their priority list, while others are not too concerned with that aspect. We happen to fall into the first group, however never in a million years would I have ever considered or even been able to make any kind of argument for explaining it as "abuse of the system." That's just crazy. I suppose then, those vacationers who hold spending time at their resort and at the pool are abusing that perk??? I guess I should be pretty disgusted with them for making such good use out of perks that I didn't hold to a high priority and therefore didn't use very frequently.

Well not really.

You see, in this metaphor, that student who is smarter -- is actually LESS PROFITABLE to Disney. They ride more, and spend less.

So Disney is curbing them. Plain and simple. In favor of that less knowledgeable person who has a bigger profit margin. That less knowledgeable person is more likely to ride 3 rides and then go spend money on incidentals, so Disney is making that happen for them.

Simple economics.

Ppl keep looking at this so personal-- Like Disney is out to get you... when really it is simply about maximizing profit.

 

[Spork24]

mom2mickeyfan, you have 900+ posts out here. I see you posting constantly about how FP+ is bad for you. Yes, Disney will putt off previous FP- abusers w the new FP+. But, for each person offended, Disney is gaining 100 new customers that will each spend more money than the one lost. Yet here you are. Posting. Hating. 900 posts. Unfortunately for you, your actions speak louder than your words. You love Disney. Period! You spend your days out here on disboards... why - because you hate Disney? Because you think Universal is really an alternative? Seriously? If that was the case you would have 900 posts on "uniboards" or whatever. But you don't. You hang here. On disboards - because despite all this, you love Disney. You despise the idea of actually calling Universal your "home" because it just is not the same. Tomorrow, you will be here. The next day, you will be here. In a year - you will be here. Like most of us, Disney is in you. The characters. The "so far below Universal standards" rides [roll]. WDW is your park. FP+ will sink in, and in a few years FP- will be nothing more than stories of "when used to have to run across the park and grab paper tickets...". Anyways. Just sayin. If you really felt this way - you wouldn't be here. Yet - here you are. Loving Disney. Thinking about your next trip. Why you feel the need to constantly argue every person who says they like FP+ is beyond me, given you clearly are not switching to Universal as a serious alternative other than as an 'extra' to go to on a Disney trip. You can't just break from those characters you love. Those characters Disney owns. Enjoy your trips. Even with FP+. There are more important things in live to spend your days hating than a ride system at a park. The park you love, and will always love.

Thanks for saying what many of us are thinking!

I've used FP+ and love it (admittedly not during peak season yet, but looking forward to it). No more walking all the way accross the park only to find the FP time conflicts with your dinner plans, or FPs are gone for the day. No more park hopping to find all the FP's taken for the rides you want (I'll be saving mine for the park I'm going to hop too on hopping days). What's that, Disney emails me when the ride I've booked FP for is down so I don't waste my time. (They must not care about me) I will admit, as someone in my late 20's I live and work on my smartphone constantly and this the new system is tailored to me. I also love planning out my disney trips. (Though I'm not sure how these people that complain about scheduling their day managed to get back to their 4:30 FP for TSMM with the old system without planning)

I'm not sure about you guys, but I was not as effective as a FP user on my first trip with FP as I was after some experience. I expect FP+ to be the same. I like it now, but can certainly see liking it better in the future.

The main other FP+ myth is that FP+ is the reason the lines are longer because more people are using Standby because they are limited to 3 FP now. This may effect the actual length of the line in some cases (in ft or m) but not in minutes. If there are fewer people using FP (called cutting in line in elementary school) then the standby line will move faster, this is simple physics. So if fewer total FP are used each day then the average standby wait time will be less than it would have been under the old system, PERIOD! The lines for one or two rides may be a bit longer but the average standby times should be trending down under the new system. If you look only at attractions that had no FP and now have FP+ The standby lines may very well be longer. I'll gladly lengthen C ticket attraction lines by a few minutes to reduce the E's by 30 min. The standby line length issue is one that is pointless to argue too much about because no one on these boards has the information that Disney has that proves me correct.

Now there is an argument that more people are using FP+ than the old system and that the same number or more FP+ are being used than before and this is causing longer standby lines. If that is in fact the case then There are a lot more people loving the system than hating it (they just aren't on DIS) because they are doing more at the parks than before. I'm not sure if I buy that argument, but as I said I haven't seen the numbers. Disney has the numbers, and I promise you they "care" very much about how this system impacts vacationers. Because Disney is definitely big on repeat business and word of mouth recommendations to drive their profit margins.


To all the people whining about the Tiers. I feel your pain. I don't like it either, but it's a necessary evil. I didn't like TSMM and Soarin running out of paper fast passes 20 min after park open either. There are only so many FP riders that can "cut in line" per hour without the standby line going away. If you get rid of tiers, you will go back to many people being unable to get a FP to either of the main rides (at Epcot or HS). If you increase the number of FPs available then you might as well not have standby and make the ride by reservation only. (I'd love to read this board the day they announce that) this problem will only go away by disney building a couple more E rides in each of these parks. There is nothing announced at this time unfortunately. So we will just have to live with tiers for a while.


That's just how I see it. Nothing against you guys who have tried it and don't like it (like OP). I wish those that have not used it would find something better to do than speculate what it will be like to use it. (That's unlikely) I'm not sure why they are even worried about it as many have said they are done with Disney anyway, so why waste their time.

I think disney has made some very difficult moves to make their park much more user friendly.(Ive said for years there was a better way to distribute FPs than a single location ticket pickup) I believe disney can and will tweak the system as we approach the summer to address as many concerns as possible. I look forward to seeing what they will do.

 

[smitch425]

I wonder why anyone would bother with park hoppers anymore? You only get fast passes in one park, and by the time you would usually hop over it will be impossible to ride anything due to crowds. I am another who is disappointed with this new system. I would be willing to pay extra for the old fast pass system!

FP+ is actually a huge help to those who hop! You need to schedule your selections for your second park of the day, not your first. Then you can show up to your second park in the evening and quickly knock out 3 rides, including headliners that, under the old system, would no longer have FPs to pull. The hopper option looks more appealing to us now than it did before.

 

[FoundNemoLostDori]

Thank you, Rosanne! By the way....I guess we need to join the fastpass abusers anonymous club. I am proud to be one! Hahaha

 

[Nhebron]

FP+ is actually a huge help to those who hop! You need to schedule your selections for your second park of the day, not your first. Then you can show up to your second park in the evening and quickly knock out 3 rides, including headliners that, under the old system, would no longer have FPs to pull. The hopper option looks more appealing to us now than it did before.

I completely agree. This is what we did and it worked out well for us.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I rarely post however I am lying in my bed here at Hilton (never before at 8pm) and I am sad to say this is it! My daughter is 4 and this is her fourth and last trip with me. It's been fun until now - can't stand having to plan around fast pass+ system. Don't waste money on park hopper anymore as by the time you get to another park, lines are far too lengthy and you can't get fast passes. Spontaneity is gone. I don't spend this kind of money to work so hard planning my day's route and strategy.

I haven't read the rest of the thread, but I would highly suggest that if you are truly going to stop going to Disney because of FP+, please e-mail Disney's guest relations and tell them why you are no longer coming back.

 

[skater]

Go back and read all of my 900 post. I've never once said we are going to Universal. I don't like Universal's pay for the front of the line service. That hasn't changed. Show me once in any post that I have made that I said my family was giving up Disney and going to Universal. You won't find one because I haven't said. We have no plans to do it. My family will be in each park 1 time this June on 8 and 9crowd days. We go each time this year, I know what happens to wait times. I know that last year my child was able to ride his 3 favorite rides 2 or 3 times using paper FPs with little to no wait. I know last year my family was able to ride over 20 rides in MK and was able to get 9 paper FPs. I know this year we won't get 9 FPs. We won't get 8. We won't get 7. Heck we won't even get 6. I'm sorry if it offends you that we are not happy about it. I find it very offending when someone expresses concerns and are met with post saying "we go to Disney 3 or 4 times a year during slow seasons and never even pulled any FPs...what is the big deal with being limited to 3." All I did was point out some reasons why others may not feel the same as that poster.

BTW, it was the poster that I was replying to that seemed to have a problem with the OP's feelings on FP+. Why is okay for them to put the OP down? How else are those that don't like FP+ suppose to take "what's the big deal, we never used FP anyway so why should it matter to you?". Really, that is okay??

Guess you were a fp abuser . And I'm right there with you. You're probably just banging your head against the wall trying to explain though.

 

[brockash]

Well not really.

You see, in this metaphor, that student who is smarter -- is actually LESS PROFITABLE to Disney. They ride more, and spend less.

So Disney is curbing them. Plain and simple. In favor of that less knowledgeable person who has a bigger profit margin. That less knowledgeable person is more likely to ride 3 rides and then go spend money on incidentals, so Disney is making that happen for them.

Simple economics.

Ppl keep looking at this so personal-- Like Disney is out to get you... when really it is simply about maximizing profit.

This is totally different than saying that ppl. who pulled multiple fastpasses with the old system were abusing it. Obviously, Disney is motivated only by profit margins, and I can get on board that generally speaking, the vacationers who held riding rides with a short wait time as a high priority were many times much less profitable than those with other priorities, but again, that's very different than stating that they "abused" the system.

 

[MrInfinity]

This new system has nothing to do with limiting the "abusers". It has to do with locking guest into their parks before they ever leave their homes.

I would agree that is one goal. Tho ADRs did that. But then you had ADR-abusers (go on lash out at me! ) You know ppl who would book 10 ADRs in a day then show up to 1, not caring that 9 other ppl didn't get to make a ressie cuz they knew they could block out 10. So Disney is closing that loophole... but getting back to your point...

I would say aside from FURTHER locking in the park (combined with ADRs) the FP+ has other benefits...

Make ppl less likely to retain unwanted ADRs... cuz now you are locking in your FP picks, you will not need those alternate ADRs as backups.

And most importantly, get the bulk of their visitors a good experience, on 3 rides, on a few more standby, then off and drinking and shopping.. instead of those potential shoppers waiting in line cuz they didn't know they should split up their family and go run for FP tickets right away.

It was not very intuitive before. The concept of FP running is an "optimization strategy" that only a few learn... (myself included, remember, I was an FP- master too). But it is not "normal vacationing" for the bulk of visitors spending the bulk of money.

It just comes down to money. Does Disney listen? Yes. Unfortunately ride-optimizers are only marginally profitable, compared to say that casual vacationer. It's just the reality of life. Don't believe me? Well... Disney seems to agree so I can't really be too off base. I'm not the one saying Disney is going to implode cuz they are offending some ride-optimizer customers.

I am a ride optimizer myself... yet I can look past what I'm not getting - and see the bigger picture here and observe the benefits. Doesn't mean I like it. Doesn't mean I dislike it. But I am smart enough to step back, nod my head, and say:

"Well done, Disney. This is why you are #1. I'll have to give some thought as to how to redo my Disney touring."