Did you see this: Marie Claire magazine posts "Should fatties get a room?" article.

[onelilspark]

Here's my honest take on things...even though I've already posted once

I refuse to say hateful things about anyone until I have walked in their shoes. Do I judge people? Yes, I'm human. Do I look at overweight/obese people in scooters at Disney and wonder if maybe they did walk instead if they wouldn't be in that situation? Yes. Does that mean I make snarky comments or think that they don't deserve to be loved? No. It's not my place. Does it gross me out to see overweight/obese people hug/kiss/hold hands/walk across a room? Absolutely not. And it is inappropriate and unacceptable for a Women's Magazine who prides themselves on standing out among the others with image issues to publish that garbage. I expect it from Howard Stern, not Marie Claire.

I do think right now our society is hyper sensitive to any perceived bullying or hate, which is why I think this article, at this point in time, has people so up in arms.

 

[Magpie]

ME, not come up with a rational answer? Never happen!

I've learned to realize that those who have never walked in my shoes will NEVER get it, so why bother.

Is it very bad of me, that I find this exchange hilarious?

I got it, even without borrowing your shoes.

 

[moon]

Why is it such a surprize????
Have you actually looked at the Magazines at the check-out stands???

Just look at the photo on the cover just pictured...
Read the headline 'bites' that tell what is written inside.

It is what it is....

Why is anyone so shocked...
Why does anyone think an apology is necessary???

Are we starting to now talk 'censorship' by the overly sensitive, politically correct, crowd????

Really, you need to ask this?

To me it was a surprise because the show was just an excuse for an attack piece. It was unnecesarily mean an cruel. It had no value, nothing positive, no reedeeming qualities. And this was NOT a random post on a website. This was an article in a magazine. They are supposed to have some standards.

Since when showing some restraint and kindness became "politically correct"?

Yes, I'm surprised that is considered acceptable to write and publish an article which demeans an entire group to the point to say that even looking at them walk is "gross". How can that not be outrageous and incredibly offensive (even to the "non PC crowd")?

This is not about being "politically correct". This is about basic human decency.

 

[Magpie]

Sometimes not. The BMI can be the most ridiculous and erroneous tool around. Yes it works for a lot of body types but you would think that PhDs could come up with something better.

Me here - upper end of the BMI's "obese" no not overweight ... obese - verging on the morbidly or whatever the heck the next category is. Ridiculous. And I'm not alone obviously. -

Thanks for posting Magpie.

I love your picture! You're very pretty, and your coat is gorgeous!

Thanks for sharing.

 

[DWGal210]

Lisaviolet, you hit the nail on the head with your analysis. Listen, I admit, when I see a nurse or doctor smoking in front of a hospital or clinic, I think "Your in medicine, you know what this does to you!" BUT....I also realize that it's a complicated issue and I would never vilify the smoker. As a side, that's why I have issues with those anti
smoking ads; many of them vilify smokers & I don't care for that angle.

 

[LiberalPrincess]

I am having a very serious case of jacket envy. I love that color and shape. And the use of the word "fatties" as being acceptable both here and in the magazine is bizarre to me. Why is that ok?

 

[Wishing on a star]

Me.....
I'm white..... and, yes, I mean white actually!!!
Man, get me some tan in a can.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Really, you need to ask this?

To me it was a surprise because the show was just an excuse for an attack piece. It was unnecesarily mean an cruel. It had no value, nothing positive, no reedeeming qualities. And this was NOT a random post on a website. This was an article in a magazine. They are supposed to have some standards.

Since when showing some restraint and kindness became "politically correct"?

Yes, I'm surprised that is considered acceptable to write and publish an article which demeans an entire group to the point to say that even looking at them walk is "gross". How can that not be outrageous and incredibly offensive (even to the "non PC crowd")?

This is not about being "politically correct". This is about basic human decency.

Ohhhh, I do see what you are saying!!!!!
But, what I am saying is, very similarly, look around....
Look at all the smut and drivel that is published...

I'm not saying that this is a good thing....
It is what it is...

Like I said...
Look at the source...
Look at the photo of the magazine cover.
Look at the other crap they are writing.

But, IMHO, I do abhor politically correct censorship.
And, yes, there is still quite a bit of that going on.

If one doesn't want to hear the thoughts/opinions of an anorexic person who is happy working for this type of magazine... then, just don't read it.

 

[NikitaZee]

I am having a very serious case of jacket envy. I love that color and shape. And the use of the word "fatties" as being acceptable both here and in the magazine is bizarre to me. Why is that ok?

No excuses - the word 'fatties' cracks me up. What's the difference between fatty and pooh sized and fluffy? I would think that to be called obese - the correct medical term - would feel just as bad as any of the above.

 

[luvmy3]

ME, not come up with a rational answer? Never happen!

I've learned to realize that those who have never walked in my shoes will NEVER get it, so why bother.

But he wasn't claiming to have walked in your shoes, all he did was post a definition. I have no idea what your situation has to do with a poster pointing out the hypocrisy in this thread, especially when its so obvious anyway. Or why you felt the need to draw attention to it in the first place. What he posted was the truth, that fact doesn't change (or even matter) if he never walked in your shoes, the actress' shoes, the blogger's shoes, the OP's, or any other poster's here

According to what he posted, every poster on here voicing their intolerance of the writer's opinion is a bigot, believe it or not that has nothing to do with your life.

 

[RitaE]

Why is it such a surprize????
Have you actually looked at the Magazines at the check-out stands???

Just look at the photo on the cover just pictured...
Read the headline 'bites' that tell what is written inside.

It is what it is....

Why is anyone so shocked...
Why does anyone think an apology is necessary???

Are we starting to now talk 'censorship' by the overly sensitive, politically correct, crowd????

I'm not for censorship, I'm not shocked, and really an apology means absolutely nothing to me. She didn't insult me, she insulted the actor and actress of that show. Its up to them to decide whether or not to accept her apology. She might be sincere about it or not. I couldn't tell you.

But that doesn't mean that when I read something about an opinion that I find morally reprehensible and strongly disagree with - I'm just going to shrug my shoulders and say "oh well its her right."

I'm going to disagree and state my own feelings about what she wrote.

Her words were disgusting in themselves and wrong. I disagree with the opinion and I find the whole "Fat people are ugly and it disturbs me to have to look at them" to be dehuminizing and damaging. Yes, overweight people can be ugly. They can also be pretty and everything in between. Is every "skinny" woman beautiful? I don't think so.

Especially in a world where so many of our girls and women struggle with body image on a daily basis trying to achieve that "Ashley Olson" look - I think a fashion magazine printing such crap is terrible. I don't like it and I have no problem at all commenting negatively on it when I see somebody spout it.

 

[jaminmd]

I prefer not to see anyone making out, fat or skinny. It isn't something I've ever cared to look at. I'd much rather spend alone time with DH.

I have a sister that really does hate fat people. I mean no offense to the overweight & obese when I use that term but that is how she describes that demographic. She will ramble on for an hour about it, too & she's pretty crude. I just can't figure out where it comes from. She's a tall, lean & beautiful. She just leaves me shaking my head.

FWIW, there is way more to obesity than that. Losing weight is much easier than maintaining the loss.

I would have never even seen the article unless it was posted on here. She was just writing to her audience, which I would guess are long, lean women. For all I know, they have the same types of articles in Playboy. I'm certain that there aren't any women in that mag more than 0.5 ounces overweight.

Anyway, as mean as it was, it was only her opinion. Sticks & stones...

 

[Judy from Boise]

It was an op/ed piece on the blog of a fashion magazine! She has no obligation to her readers except to give her opinion and incite conversation. Mission accomplished I would say.No one has to justify feelings and opinions that they honestly "own" without projection. For example the author did not say that you should be grossed out, she admitted she was and invited discourse. Then the PC bandwagon attacked her right to disclose her own feelings??????
This reminds me of the flap over Juan Williams doing the same thing. It is sad to me that our society has lost the inability to have honest discussions around strong opinions.

 

[Judy from Boise]

It was an op/ed piece on the blog of a fashion magazine! She has no obligation to her readers except to give her opinion and incite conversation. Mission accomplished I would say.No one has to justify feelings and opinions that they honestly "own" without projection. For example the author did not say that you should be grossed out, she admitted she was and invited discourse. Then the PC bandwagon attacked her right to disclose her own feelings??????
This reminds me of the flap over Juan Williams doing the same thing. It is sad to me that our society has lost the inability to have honest discussions around strong opinions.

 

[minniecarousel]

I've never bought an issue of Marie Claire, nor have I ever leafed through one - and I never will!

For the author of the article to equate seeing fat people kissing to watching a drunk stagger around is not only insensitive, it's reprehensible.

Is someone forcing her to watch the show? No, I don't think so!

I imagine that Marie Claire is a fashion magazine with skinny models gracing its' pages? (an educated assumption on my part). Well - let's consider the source - the fashion industry promotes anorexia - how healthy is that?

 

[Planogirl]

I'm not familiar with Marie Claire. Is it a fashion magazine?

I'm in the camp of preferring to not watch anyone make out but I'm a prude. I don't see why the author felt the need to complain the way she did.

 

[Dictator]

But he wasn't claiming to have walked in your shoes, all he did was post a definition. I have no idea what your situation has to do with a poster pointing out the hypocrisy in this thread, especially when its so obvious anyway. Or why you felt the need to draw attention to it in the first place. What he posted was the truth, that fact doesn't change (or even matter) if he never walked in your shoes, the actress' shoes, the blogger's shoes, the OP's, or any other poster's here

According to what he posted, every poster on here voicing their intolerance of the writer's opinion is a bigot, believe it or not that has nothing to do with your life.

She wasn't drawing attention to "it", she was drawing attention to herself.

 

[princessmom29]

Add this to the list of companies I will NEVER support in any way. What load of unecessary biggoted crap!

 

[lisaviolet]

When I Googled bigot I got the following:





So anyone who is intolerant of the article writer's opinion that she doesn't want to see fatties make out is also a bigot. Disagreeing with her - is that intolerance? Can't be right? I think she had the right to write it but I have a judgement about it. That's not a bigot to you, right? Because we'd all have to be saints. No sarcasm firedancer. Curious.

In all seriousness just like bullying, bigot is a word that is thrown around way too often. Not wanting to see fat people, skinny people, gay people, straight people, or any other classification of people make out on the television doesn't mean you hate that group. It just means you don't want to see that group engaging in a PDA.

I strongly disagree with your last paragraph. There are people who don't like PDA. So let's take the straight and the beautiful. If they don't like them doing PDA they don't like PDA. A given. In general, there is not an intolerance of straight lives and beautiful people.

And if these same people who don't like PDA saw a black and white kissing and two guys kissing - well they just don't like PDA. Got it. (I would like to meet these people who don't like PDA AND don't carry their judgements over to other areas - I'm sure they exist but not in the numbers you are claiming).


BUT firedancer - there are people every single day in this world that use "oh if it was two straight people, if it was a wife and husband, if it was a normal weight person, if it was two white peoople" I would still hate it because I hate PDA or I don't hate ________ and I'm not racist and I'm not homophobic and I'm not judgemental and THEY'RE LYING. THEY ARE LYING. Some of the people lying DO HATE gays, overweight people, some religions, some ethnicities, some races. And others that use these lines are just not exposed to other people's lives other than their own and react poorly.

And I believe that the numbers on the prior paragraph are miniscule as opposed to the latter.

Pointe Finale says Lisa the bigot.

And by the way I believe that every single one of us is prejudiced. Why? Because we were born. And our issues and ways will never improve until we admit that. I believe that strongly. Especially in the area of racism.

 

[lisaviolet]

Here's my honest take on things...even though I've already posted once

I refuse to say hateful things about anyone until I have walked in their shoes. Do I judge people? Yes, I'm human. Do I look at overweight/obese people in scooters at Disney and wonder if maybe they did walk instead if they wouldn't be in that situation? Yes. Does that mean I make snarky comments or think that they don't deserve to be loved? No. It's not my place. Does it gross me out to see overweight/obese people hug/kiss/hold hands/walk across a room? Absolutely not. And it is inappropriate and unacceptable for a Women's Magazine who prides themselves on standing out among the others with image issues to publish that garbage. I expect it from Howard Stern, not Marie Claire.

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I agree with everything. And one day I will be able to write without rambling.

No excuses - the word 'fatties' cracks me up. What's the difference between fatty and pooh sized and fluffy? I would think that to be called obese - the correct medical term - would feel just as bad as any of the above.

Okay, it was my curiousity when fatties became okay.

So your post was interesting to me. Fatty - to me - just comes across with such holier than thou tone to me. Seems so derogatory. Interesting, eh that it doesn't to you. No sarcasm.

And I'm not a fan of the others you listed even when said by an overweight person themselves. I have a friend on the DIS that uses fatty for herself. And I hate it because to me it's attached with ___________. I like overweight, really overweight and extremely overweight myself. But I'm not the word police. I was just really surprised by its usage.

And thanks for the coat compliments. Cheap cheap cheap at Old Navy but two seasons ago. I really love it too. In fact you should have seen me in the car 20 miles out when I left it at a party. It wasn't pretty.