Delicate Park Tickets and De-Magnetization

betsysilver

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In March, I used a paper ticket for the first time in a long time and had an issue one morning at the entrance with my ticket not working bc it had been demagnetized by something in my purse/wallet.

This January I'm flying down with this same flimsy paper ticket and I'm concerned - will the security at the airport do anything to the magnetic strip? I feel like I'm being paranoid but Disney tickets seem so fragile and moody and even though the CM's are great about fixing the situation at guest services, I would like to avoid having to step out of line and cut back in to fix a ticket if possible.

So basically, a) does anyone know if the x-ray machine at the airport will tamper with the strip and b) any other tricks of the trade for protecting the oh so delicate paper tickets?

Thanks!!
 
well it should be no diffrent then putting your wallet with your credit cards on the machine or your computer or camera or even your video tapes thru the machine

we either order hard cards thru disney or have them put on our kttw
 
This question gets a asked a lot here. The 'paper' tickets are actually sturdy. They are made from Tyvek, a material used in house construction (the insulation I think?). If you try and rip your paper ticket, you will have a tough time because the Tyvek is so strong.

As for the x-ray machines at the airport, I can't say for sure, but I would think it would not be an issue since they don't demagnetize credit cards.

I know a lot of people have issues with their tickets not working properly, but I keep my 'paper' seasonal pass right next to my TIW card and credit card and have never had an issue with it not working. And it's 13 months old now.
 
The paper ticket magnetic strip is just as good as the plastic ticket magnetic stripe.

Some purses have magnetic catches that can demagnetize a ticket. Some cell phones have magnetic parts. The ticket should not demagnetize if stacked with credit cards back to front but could be affected back to back with strips touching.
 

So basically, a) does anyone know if the x-ray machine at the airport will tamper with the strip and b) any other tricks of the trade for protecting the oh so delicate paper tickets?

Thanks!!

FWIW we used out AP's on 4 different trips last year and flew down each time, tickets going thru airpor x-rays. It never hurt the tickets. One trip mid week I had to replace my AP b/c the FP machines stopped being able to read it, but the ticket turnstiles still worked. If you have problems just go to guest services, they can re-issue you a new ticket if the ticket happens to become demagnatized.
 
we've been using APs since January...4 trips this year. Both husband & I have had to replace ours. Husband's wouldn't work in a fastpass machine (after working in the turnstyle); mine wouldn't work in the ticket turnstyle after having worked the day before at a different park. Was no big deal to get a new one--took about 2 minutes total.
 
We have four paper tickets purchased in the summer of 2006.

Used for a trip in December 2006 with no problems.

Used them for one day in January 2010 with no problems.

Was at WDW a couple of weeks ago. First day at parks, only 1 of the 4 tickets worked at the turnstile. Three tickets had to be replaced. Second day at parks all four tickets worked at turnstile but one ticket did not work at Fastpass machine so we replaced that ticket. Third day at parks all tickets worked fine at both turnstile and Fastpass. Fourth (and final) day at parks, all tickes worked at turnstiles, but only two tickets worked at Fastpass machines. Got those two tickets replaced as well.

All tickets were kept in my billfold for the entire trip. CM's said they didn't know why it was happening but one did say they seemed to be having more problems latley than he could ever think of in the past.
 
I have used my paper AP about 100 times this year with no problems. I used to travel a lot with my ticket in my wallet. I never had any problems using the ticket after going through the x ray machines.
 
how do you know it was demagnetized exactly? the tyvek tickets are actually very susceptible to physical damage, especially bends. the slightest bend in the wrong place will render it ineffective.

as far as xrays go, they wouldn't demagnetize anything. the metal detector could cause issues because of the field it generates, but it's seriously unlikely.

as far as plastic tickets go, that's what Disney sends when you mail-order them.
 
They're not paper. And even the KTTW cards can get demagnetized. My annual pass (you can't get those on hard cards) goes through the airport x-ray on a regular basis. Store it so it stays flat, and don't keep it near a magnet or cellphone and you should be fine.
 
The first thing a CM may say is "it's demagnetized". It isn't necessarily true, but its a easy answer.

X-ray machines and metal detectors are generally not a problem. To really corrupt the data (it isn't really demagnetized , but "scrambled"), it would have to come in very close proximity with a strong magnetic field. If you took them out and rubbed them all over the metal detector, then yeah, you've probably messed them up.

They ARE more susceptible to corruption than a credit card - because a credit card isn't meant to be updatable.

They are pretty much on par with the "hard plastic" cards in that regard, but people do feel "safer" with the plastic. CMs have reported in the past that the plastic cards actually often gave them more problems.

In the past couple weeks, with the record low temps, I wouldn't be surprised if there were two non-magnetic issues at work - cold readers and cold tickets. With the cold readers condensation can build on them, and moisture is a problem a bit more with the Tyvek tickets.

I actually had problems more with the finger scan than my ticket. No matter what, it seemed to have trouble reading my finger (YES, they do actually do finger scans!) and it would take two or three attempts (again, possibly due to the cold. My AP worked perfectly fine, although one of the kids MYW tickets occasionally needed a second scan at the turnstiles. No problems at all at the FP kiosks though.

Oh, that's right, they are NOT paper, but Tyvek, which is in fact a form of plastic. They are waterproof - sort of. Liquid water can't pass through them, but water vapor can - anecdotally "rubbing" the ticket to warm it up can sometimes (not always) help (it helps release the moisture, but it generally takes a lot of work - easier to replace it) - just don't rub it on your smartphone (there is a magnetometer in most fancy phones) or your magnetic clasp on your purse, or anything with a magnetic/EM field (most cell phones, really) etc. :)

You generally can't ask for a plastic ticket. If you order MYW tickets direct from Disney, they are usually plastic - probably because they stand up better in the mail. You might get plastic from other sources. UT sends Tyvek, and tickets bought at the parks are Tyvek. Tickets obtained at a resort separate from the KTTW card are usually plastic, only because they only have the plastic card printers - and they will be on KTTW stock.

Keep in mind, the GREAT MAJORITY of tickets that aren't on KTTW cards are Tyvek, so its no surprise there are more reports of problems. and even if the error rate was higher than for plastic, the per-ticket cost is a fraction of plastic.

Even Annual Passes and the ilk are Tyvek, except the Premier Passports (which is why you can only get a PP in certain places - they don't have the plastic card printers everywhere). And APs get used a LOT.

I keep mine in a hard plastic waterproof case (I got it from the Beach Club). I keep everything in it facing the same way so the magstrips never actually touch (in theory, if two magstrips touch and rub past each other, it could have an effect). The case keeps them sufficiently away from all but the strongest magnetic fields.
 
We had paper cards, went on Kali River Rapids and got totally soaked. The cards while a little wrinkled still worked.
 
The first thing a CM may say is "it's demagnetized". It isn't necessarily true, but its a easy answer.

I swore I wasn't going to get caught up in another Paper(Tyvek) vs Plastic thread but here I am.

Yes I think CM's are trained to tell you that your cell phone, camera, eel skin wallet (you know they use electric eels) or bulk tape eraser that you just happen to be carrying demagnetized the card.

It easier to blame something you are carrying then to tell you the truth that they use the cheapest mag stripes that they can get away with. They could maybe purchase cards with mag stripes that are less prone to damage, but its cheaper to just replace the few that do have problems.

Even if they did purchase the more expensive cards, they will still have problems.
 
I swore I wasn't going to get caught up in another Paper(Tyvek) vs Plastic thread but here I am.

Yes I think CM's are trained to tell you that your cell phone, camera, eel skin wallet (you know they use electric eels) or bulk tape eraser that you just happen to be carrying demagnetized the card.

It easier to blame something you are carrying then to tell you the truth that they use the cheapest mag stripes that they can get away with. They could maybe purchase cards with mag stripes that are less prone to damage, but its cheaper to just replace the few that do have problems.

Even if they did purchase the more expensive cards, they will still have problems.

Ding ding ding...as I said, since they need the strip to be rewritable, they are more prone to magnetic corruption, regardless of what media the magstrip is on. And it is the most likely cause. Just not the only one.

The fact that they are flexible does mean they do require some extra care (a fold or crease will prevent the reader from getting continuous data, etc.), but simple reasonable care should make it last sufficiently long enough. We've only ever replaced one Tyvek ticket (which we mostly use now), but had problems with 2 KTTW cards over the same time (once was due to CM error though). So that's pretty even for our small data sample.
 
Ding ding ding...as I said, since they need the strip to be rewritable, they are more prone to magnetic corruption, regardless of what media the magstrip is on. And it is the most likely cause. Just not the only one.

The fact that they are flexible does mean they do require some extra care (a fold or crease will prevent the reader from getting continuous data, etc.), but simple reasonable care should make it last sufficiently long enough. We've only ever replaced one Tyvek ticket (which we mostly use now), but had problems with 2 KTTW cards over the same time (once was due to CM error though). So that's pretty even for our small data sample.

For our band trip we had 52 cards that the kids held all day and we collected and put back into envelopes at the end of the day. We had one ticket that had to be replaced the second day.

Maybe they can switch over to RFID when they get even cheaper. You just walk through an arch and it reads your card or even the one implanted under your skin.

Oh also they use the retina readers from Minority Report also so no finger scan.:thumbsup2
 
I don't understand why WDW doesn't use the system that DL uses. The tickets have bar codes and the cm scans them as you walk through the turnstile. No magnetic strip issue.
 
I don't understand why WDW doesn't use the system that DL uses. The tickets have bar codes and the cm scans them as you walk through the turnstile. No magnetic strip issue.

Actually, they do have that now, as a backup to the magstripe. However, none of the FP kiosks have bar scanners yet.

Barcodes are far easier to duplicate as well, although I'm not sure that's a definite problem.
 
Barcodes are far easier to duplicate as well, although

I'm not sure that's a definite problem.

Hmmmm.

We know that many WDW guest's are determined to wear their ticket in a clear lanyard around their necks.

With bar codes, this could be tantamount to asking for "Identity Theft"
(or, in this case, "AP/Ticket Number Theft.") :eek:

Heck, remember how paranoid the pre-paid phone card companies' instructions used to make you feel if you were going to dial your "code" in a public place (which is likely the only place you'd ever have used it.)
 
Hmmmm.

We know that many WDW guest's are determined to wear their ticket in a clear lanyard around their necks.

With bar codes, this could be tantamount to asking for "Identity Theft"
(or, in this case, "AP/Ticket Number Theft.") :eek:

Heck, remember how paranoid the pre-paid phone card companies' instructions used to make you feel if you were going to dial your "code" in a public place (which is likely the only place you'd ever have used it.)

"Sorry, the computer says you are currently in Epcot, and you don't have the park hopping option."

"But I'm obviously not in Epcot, and the park just opened!"

"Well, I guess someone who has a copy of your ticket just got up a little earlier than you..."

(the above assumes finger scanning is disabled that morning ;) )

And of course, you'd only need one ticket for all your kids 9 and under... :)
 












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