Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

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You'll need 4-6 weeks or prep time, getting things in place. Again. Noone is going to allow large gatherings until the very last thing. So parks, concerts, etc etc will be the last thing to come back on line.
You'll need 4-6 weeks or prep time, getting things in place. Again. Noone is going to allow large gatherings until the very last thing. So parks, concerts, etc etc will be the last thing to come back on line.
Disney will be prepping for reopening by Memorial Day weekend we will already be at the bottom of the curve at that point.
 
Thinking along lines of some businesses having restrictions eased starting May-ish (which there now rumblings of this happening), perhaps construction would be one of them?
I can't see them going forward with projects not started, but maybe they will be able to finish/work on the ones already deep in progress.

Projects that already had the funds allocated.

Quoting myself. ;)

Tokyo Disney is still doing construction during this, so hopefully if construction workers can start again here (before parks can open), WDW can get back to finishing the started projects!
You ma have missed this earlier in the thread. Disney has stopped all major construction at WDW, not because of the restrictions. Florida sees construction as an essential business and construction *can* take place. They have halted construction to preserve cash. They’ve taken a 6 billion dollar loan and another 5 billion dollar loan recently. It’s not a restriction issue, it’s a money issue.

Also - question for about needing to wait for Asian parks to open first.

If for whatever reason our government eases restrictions, while Asian governments don't - why would Disney here need to wait on the Asian parks to open?
WDW does not *need* to wait for the Asia Parks to open first. But, the Asia Parks closed earlier and it’s presumed that China, Korea, etc., are further along the flattening of the curve than the US is. As such, the assumption is that they will open first and we can gain a glimpse of what the parks opening will be like in the US from the Asia Parks. For example, Disney Shanghai Parks is still closed, but the hotel and some of the Shanghai Downtown Disney restaurants have reopened. They are also requiring masks and temperature checks to be in these areas.
Basically .. things should open up and people should take their own precautions. If someone is afraid of going to a mass gathering and getting the virus, then don't go. People were and are already (voluntarily) making that choice.

If you don't want to risk getting the virus, don't go anywhere. If you are healthy and you feel the place you are going is taking adequate safety precautions (like EVERYONE is doing now with grocery stores, take-out, doctor's offices, pharamcies, etc.) .. then you go. Simple as that. If you catch the virus, stay home to prevent it from spreading.

If you can go to an essential grocery store (where everyone in your neighborhood goes about once a week or so) ... you should be able to make the choice to go to a sit-down restaurant, nail salon, gym, etc .. where FAR less people congregate in far lesser numbers. Stores should be able to be open and make their OWN safety precautions (sit people at every other table, enhanced cleaning, etc.) in order to get their restaurant back up and running. Disney should eventually do the same.
I agree that everyone does need to take responsibility for deciding whether to go to Disney or not once they reopen (and yes, I’m making the assumption will be this summer or fall). But, I would be shocked if guests heed this advice. Based on just observing the amount of guests that include multi-generation groups, I’m betting many guests 65+ won’t stay home. And, once we add other risk factors, such as diabetes, obesity, asthma, coronary disease and lung disease, uff, you have a lot of people that should stay away, but not all will.

And then, on top of that, those who have no risk factors, when they return home from WDW, are they going to self quarantine so they don’t pass the virus to those in their community that are in high risk groups?

Tests that take 1 hr, 100% accurate, and cost $9 have been approved and production is scaling up. Employers, of course, are eager to get their hands on these. The tests will continue to be optimized for time and cost.

It will take a few months, but there will be a day where testing and certification (there will be an app for that) will be commonplace until a vaccine is available.

For full risk control, Disney Parks could require a test before you can enter the property. The logistics can be worked out.
A 100% accurate test does not exist. No test is 100% sensitive. But, yes, I think testing, especially the antibodies test is a promising way of starting the path to normalcy.

I fully disagree. I would like an emptier park. When I was younger it was. The crowds that now exist detract greatly. I suppose some people get "energy" from them. I find it suffocating. I'm really hoping crowds are much lower when we get back.
Agreed.
Yeah the problem is, as a society, this is not something that can be beaten on an individual level. Because the inconsiderate 22 year old at Disney who doesn’t care and touches his face and doesn’t get that sick will go ont o infect a 60 year old, a 70 year old, etc. etc. So everyone talking about “personal freedom” is really talking about the freedom to get a lot of other older people or people with pre-existing conditions, or random people who are just plain unlucky, killed. So we can’t just say “personal responsibility,” we have to design systems that minimize the risk as much as possible.
Yup. This. The personal responsibility would need to include the person going to Disney taking precautions to minimize that they become an asymptomatic carrier and minimize the possibility of passing the virus when they return home.


I miss Disney and even though IHEM is not super accurate, I still look at it daily, hoping it is correct and that the peak is indeed in early May and that it’s flattened by June.
 

I’m not sure if looking at when Disney opens the parks in Asia is an accurate indicator to a timeline on when they reopen in the US. Disney owns the US parks outright— they are only a partial owner in the Asian parks, with either another company controlling it or the government owning close to 1/2.
Yep, both Chinese parks they are minority owners in. Shanghai is majority owned by the Shendi group which is basically the government. Tokyo they don't own at all but get a licensing fee from the Oriental Land Company. Paris they are majority owners of so that would be a property to watch.
 
I’m not sure if looking at when Disney opens the parks in Asia is an accurate indicator to a timeline on when they reopen in the US. Disney owns the US parks outright— they are only a partial owner in the Asian parks, with either another company controlling it or the government owning close to 1/2.

Thanks for saying this, I thought that was the case!
 
I think that looking to the reopening of the Asian parks won’t be as much of an exact template for the other Disney parks.. I see it more about a chance to watch and observe the things done right and the things that need reworking or scraping - then using that as a guideline going forward here for the best outcome. Save the other Parks a few misfires and some time perhaps..
 
I think for the US parks the more important thing to watch for an opening timeline is schools rather than the Asia parks (and of course other large crowd events). Opening theme parks while schools are still closed is a hard justification IMO. Of course this doesn’t apply if we’re already well into what would have been summer vacation.

The Asia parks are good to watch IMO for method of opening and possibly measures put in place.
 
That says to me they think they will be closed longer then they planned for. They wouldn't need that if they planned on opening soon.
Maybe, I think this is more of a planning in case type thing. Disney doesn't plan on being closed long term but if they have to this will help. If Disney gets to open sooner than later this won't matter as much. They have to make strategic moves to better their position.
 
Concur. It's hard to say as there is not enough data about actual infections, but likely <1% of those who have the illness die, and of those who die, 90%+ are 60 or older in most--but not all--geographies (outcomes in inner cities for people younger than 60 are much worse).

So the personal risks for the typical family are quite small, and their risk to others back at home can be mitigated by continued 6' distancing and face mask behaviors. The biggest open issue is a second wave, which seems more and more to be forecast for September and later.

If this theorizing holds up, a limited lower-capacity summer opening, followed by a fall closure, (or greater restrictions in the fall) seems more likely than a closure that goes through the summer and a fall opening.

Anyone who has been to an After Hours event knows that Disney World can have positive cash flow even with quite low offered capacity.
Where are you seeing a second wave being forecast for September?
 
I think for the US parks the more important thing to watch for an opening timeline is schools rather than the Asia parks (and of course other large crowd events). Opening theme parks while schools are still closed is a hard justification IMO. Of course this doesn’t apply if we’re already well into what would have been summer vacation.

The Asia parks are good to watch IMO for method of opening and possibly measures put in place.
at least in our area most schools have some kind of a summer program so schools could still measure about opening even in summer
 
Maybe, I think this is more of a planning in case type thing. Disney doesn't plan on being closed long term but if they have to this will help. If Disney gets to open sooner than later this won't matter as much. They have to make strategic moves to better their position.
Agreed. Even as a small business owner we are applying for loans for when/if things go south. Better to have those lines of credits and not need then than the other way around.
 
The secured credit lines are good but as some other posters mentioned, you really don't want to hit them unless you must. We've seen some retailers (Nordstrom, etc), cyclical names (Boeing, Ford, GM), and travel/leisure names (Carnival) hit their credit lines in recent weeks. These companies have less options than Disney at present and in some instances even more massive funding needs. Disney raised $6B in debt in mid-March at reasonable levels - they could and should do another bond offering now where rates would be even lower. Exxon issued on 3/17 and did another one today, for example. In Disney's case, this might preclude a downgraded credit rating, they could even fall to "BBB" status from current 'A' ratings, but this would be such a time that that trade-off is worthwhile. I'd rather have the cash in hand and lock in low interest rates.

What is really crippling the company is the vast debt from the Fox assets purchase. Yes, Disney needed content for Disney+, but this was a costly acquisition and early returns have been poor. Moreover, it ultimately saddled the company with a lot of debt at what is now clearly the top of the market.

In terms of the parks re-opening, I think it is telling there is still no public dates for reopening any of the three Asian parks. Yes, Disney does not control Japan at all or majorities in the others, but it is noteworthy those countries are either farther along in this (China) or have does a substantially better job than the U.S (or France, for DLP fans) in containment. Moreover, the parks have been closed substantially longer. I agree with some others that a July or even August timeframe sounds more realistic to me than June 1. Don't see that happening at all.
 
I don't think any of us are saying that the parks should open before June 1st.
I am. I'm still sticking with my magic 8 ball. Resorts will open May 19th. MK, AK and HS will open with them. EP will be later, one water park will open. Disney Springs will open. All TS restaurants will have tables spaced out. Buffets will be CM served or not opened at all. Parks will be open to resort guest and AP holders only. No tickets or ticket sales. SW:GE will be accessed as a whole with a boarding pass and a capacity limit. Once people leave, others will be able to come in. Also no after hours events or tours. Rides will run reduced capacity. One side of space, one side of pirates, 1 theatre on Soarin' and FOP, no single rider line etc. This is all tentative of course so it may change but for now, this is what I'm sticking with so flame away! I have thick skin ;)
 
I am. I'm still sticking with my magic 8 ball. Resorts will open May 19th. MK, AK and HS will open with them. EP will be later, one water park will open. Disney Springs will open. All TS restaurants will have tables spaced out. Buffets will be CM served or not opened at all. Parks will be open to resort guest and AP holders only. No tickets or ticket sales. SW:GE will be accessed as a whole with a boarding pass and a capacity limit. Once people leave, others will be able to come in. Also no after hours events or tours. Rides will run reduced capacity. One side of space, one side of pirates, 1 theatre on Soarin' and FOP, no single rider line etc. This is all tentative of course so it may change but for now, this is what I'm sticking with so flame away! I have thick skin ;)

I've been thinking, why not the opposite for after hours/EMM events? I assume they're profitable and have limited attendance by definition. I would think they'd want to have more of these type of events to bring in revenue. I was thinking the same with private tours also. Just a thought.
 
I am. I'm still sticking with my magic 8 ball. Resorts will open May 19th. MK, AK and HS will open with them. EP will be later, one water park will open. Disney Springs will open. All TS restaurants will have tables spaced out. Buffets will be CM served or not opened at all. Parks will be open to resort guest and AP holders only. No tickets or ticket sales. SW:GE will be accessed as a whole with a boarding pass and a capacity limit. Once people leave, others will be able to come in. Also no after hours events or tours. Rides will run reduced capacity. One side of space, one side of pirates, 1 theatre on Soarin' and FOP, no single rider line etc. This is all tentative of course so it may change but for now, this is what I'm sticking with so flame away! I have thick skin ;)

Can Disney profitably run the parks while adhering to social distancing? I'd guess no. It may cost them more to open up and have 25% capacity than to not open at all.
 
I am. I'm still sticking with my magic 8 ball. Resorts will open May 19th. MK, AK and HS will open with them. EP will be later, one water park will open. Disney Springs will open. All TS restaurants will have tables spaced out. Buffets will be CM served or not opened at all. Parks will be open to resort guest and AP holders only. No tickets or ticket sales. SW:GE will be accessed as a whole with a boarding pass and a capacity limit. Once people leave, others will be able to come in. Also no after hours events or tours. Rides will run reduced capacity. One side of space, one side of pirates, 1 theatre on Soarin' and FOP, no single rider line etc. This is all tentative of course so it may change but for now, this is what I'm sticking with so flame away! I have thick skin ;)
It’s clear that this is what you want to happen, as you have a trip planned near that date, but it really doesn’t make it so. Or if it is so, wouldn’t they need to start bringing back their CMs and training on new protocol and getting prepped for an opening that will see the parks running completely different in a month? Seeing as how they’ve chosen to furlough their employees starting 4/19, I don’t see how it adds up for a May re-opening. You also assume that only allowing APs staying on-site in the parks would create enough demand and financial incentive to reopen to only that small group. While I think they do want to keep crowds lower at first as they test thing, not allowing new ticket sales would be a huge blow to trying to get back to making money.
 
France has extended the lock down, all public places, bars, restaurants, theaters, movie theaters etc. will remain closed till mid July. No festivals till then, so it's safe to say, no Disneyland Paris till then.

From May 11 (after the Spring break) France will start re-opening schools for children up to highschool.
 
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