Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[rteetz]

We are going to keep a central place for updates regarding the parks going forward. Any official word from Disney will be posted here and in this first post.

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Walt Disney World Reopening Updates (News Only)

Important Disney Parks Updates Concerning Coronavirus/COVID-19

As we continue to monitor the coronavirus situation, we wanted to share a few updates you should know about concerning Disney parks and resorts as well as Disney Cruise Line. Update on Walt Disney World Resort

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As of March 14th, Disneyland and California Adventure will close to guests.

As of March 16th, Disneyland Resort hotels will close to guests.

All Disney Theme Parks, U.S. Universal Studios Closing Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

UPDATED: As of March 27, Disneyland and Walt Disney World have extended their theme park closures indefinitely. By Monday, all Disney theme parks worldwide and both Universal Studios in the …

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Update on Disneyland Resort Operations

Learn about this closure and how it may affect your reservations, tickets and plans.

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7 Reedy Creek Firefighters/EMTs Reportedly in Quarantine Due to Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Walt Disney World news, photos, and reviews! We provide you with daily news from the Walt Disney World theme parks and beyond

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As of March 16th Walt Disney World Parks will close. Hotels and Disney Springs to remain open.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1238256920361869314

Disney Cruise Line and Disneyland Paris also to face closures.

The Walt Disney Company News

The theme parks will be closed, but Walt Disney World Resort hotels will remain open along with Disney Springs.

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Disneyland Paris Moves Up Coronavirus (COVID-19) Closing Date; Now Closed Through End of March

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Walt Disney World Resort to Continue Offering Select Transportation Options Through the End of March

Tables in Wonderland Memberships Extended Due to Coronavirus (COVID-19) Theme Park Closures

Walt Disney World news, photos, and reviews! We provide you with daily news from the Walt Disney World theme parks and beyond

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Walt Disney World Resort Supports Central Florida Community by Donating Excess Food to Second Harvest Food Bank During Temporary Closure

Since making the important decision to temporarily close theme parks at Walt Disney World and adjust our offerings, we have continued to take time to focus on the well-being of our Cast Members, our Guests, our families and the local community we

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Disneyland Resort Donating Excess Food During Temporary Closure

The Disneyland Resort has an ongoing commitment to reducing food waste, and during the temporary closure of Disneyland park and Disney California Adventure park will be donating excess food inventory to Second Harvest Food Bank of Orange County.

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Universal to Make ‘Trolls World Tour,’ ‘The Hunt,’ ‘Invisible Man’ Available Early on Home Entertainment

With movie theaters closing or reducing seating capacity due to coronavirus, Universal Pictures will make its movies available on home entertainment on the same day as the films’ global theat…

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Universal Orlando closing CityWalk, hotels due to coronavirus

Universal Orlando officials announced CityWalk will temporarily close to prevent further spread of the coronavirus, or COVID-19, outbreak.

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Homecomin', Jaleo, Raglan Road, Frontera Cocina, and Splitsville Announce Closures at Disney Springs Due to Coronavirus (COVID-19) Concerns

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Disney's Hilton Head Island Resort to Close Friday, March 20 Due to Coronavirus Concerns

Disney's Magical Express to Cease Motorcoach Operation this Friday at Walt Disney World

Walt Disney World Transportation to Cease Operations Tonight at 11 p.m.

runDisney Cancels 2020 Star Wars Rival Run Weekend Races

Adventures by Disney Final Payment Extended for Select Summer 2020 Adventures

The Wheel, Madame Tussauds, and Sea Life Aquarium Closing Temporarily Due to Coronavirus Outbreak

LEGOLAND Florida Extends Temporary Closure of its Theme Park and Water Park Through April 14

Give Kids the World Village to Remain Closed Through April 19, 2020

SeaWorld Parks & Resorts in Florida to Remain Closed Until Further Notice

Orange County Economic Recovery Task Force Shares Guidelines For Reopening Businesses in Central Florida

What’s happening:

• The Orange County Florida Economic Recovery Task Force met today to once again explore a plan to reopen Orlando’s economy.
• They began to devise guidelines and mandates for various industries which will continue to be revised throughout the week.
• The first preliminary draft version included hotels, restaurants, small theme parks, and large theme parks.
• While the criteria for small and large parks are the same, it is expected that there will be differences as more task force members contribute.
• Mayor Demmings shared that he thinks an opening day in June is more realistic than May in order to give time to resolve supply chain issues.

Guidelines and Mandates Discussed by Orange County Florida Economic Recovery Task Force (as of 4/28/20)
Large Theme Parks (Disney, Universal):

• Guidelines:
  • Tape marking of 6 feet apart in ride/attraction queues
  • Staff to regularly wipe down surfaces at random
  • Phase 1 & 2: Staff who are 65+ are encouraged to stay home
• Mandates:
  • All employees required to wear facemasks
  • Touchless hand sanitizer at each ticketing entry and turnstiles
  • Touchless hand sanitizer at each ride/attraction entry and exit
  • Temperature checks for staff prior to shift (temp above 100.4 must not enter premises)
  • Wipe down of all railing and surfaces regularly
  • Phase 1: 50% capacity
  • Phase 2: 75% capacity

Small Theme Parks (Funspot, Gatorland):

• Guidelines:
  • Tape marking of 6 feet apart in ride/attraction queues
  • Staff to regularly wipe down surfaces at random
  • Phase 1 & 2: Staff who are 65+ are encouraged to stay home
• Mandates:
  • All employees required to wear facemasks
  • Touchless hand sanitizer at each ticketing entry and turnstiles
  • Touchless hand sanitizer at each ride/attraction entry and exit
  • Temperature checks for staff prior to shift (temp above 100.4 must not enter premises)
  • Wipe down of all railing and surfaces regularly
  • Phase 1: 50% capacity
  • Phase 2: 75% capacity

Hotels

• Guidelines:
  • Phase 1: Housekeeping services to be limited and allow for minimal guest and employee exposure
  • Phase 1: Promote, if available, mobile check-in
  • Phase 1: Housekeeping services only clean upon request, or when guests depart
  • Phase 1: Allow employees to work from home if not playing a critical role in serving guests
  • Phase 1: Only deliver room service to guest’s door
  • Phase 1: Provide self-parking
  • Promote social distancing for all guests and staff
  • Recommended touchless sanitizer at entry
  • Increase cleaning services/additional sanitation services through cleaning companies
  • Phase 1 & 2: Staff who are 65+ are encourage to stay home
• Mandates:
  • All employees required to wear facemasks
  • Hand sanitizer at entry to be in plain visible sight
  • Temperature checks for staff prior to shift (temp above 100.4 must not enter premises)
  • All employees with flu-like symptoms advised to stay home
  • Front desk to sanitize themselves on a regular basis
  • Consistent cleaning of all guest areas
  • Front desk to utilize sneeze-guards
  • Remove all service items in guest rooms to include glassware, coffee cups etc.
  • Mini bars not to be stocked
  • Do no offer self food services
  • Space pool furniture according to distancing guidelines
  • Pool gates and pool chairs to be sanitized regularly
  • Door handles, elevator button and railing to be sanitized regularly
  • Remove all coffee makers from guest rooms
  • Remove all guest collateral items, except for those that are single use
  • Sanitize guest keys before and after each use
  • Sanitize bell carts after each year
  • Phase 1 & 2: No conferences

Restaurants:

• Guidelines:
  • Paper/disposable menus
  • Encourage takeout/online orders
  • Touchless sanitizer at entry
  • Phase 1 & 2: Staff who are 65+ are encouraged to stay home
• Mandates:
  • Hand sanitizer at every table
  • Hand sanitizer at entry to be in plain visible sight
  • All employees required to wear facemasks
  • Temperature checks for staff prior to shift (temp above 100.4 must not enter premises)
  • All employees with flu-like symptoms advised to stay home
  • Doors to be wiped regularly
  • All staff behind counters must wear gloves (except for bartenders)
  • Bartenders to sanitize hands after making each drink order
  • Seated tables to be six feet apart
  • Phase 1: Limit restaurant and bar capacity to 50%
  • Phase 2: Limit restaurant and bar capacity to 75%

Disney Outlines Plans and Considerations to Reopen Theme Parks and Resorts

The Walt Disney Company Reports Second Quarter Earnings for Fiscal 2020

• Disney Springs will begin a phased reopening on May 20. Here's what to know before you go.
• Other areas of Walt Disney World Resort remain closed, including theme parks and Disney Resort hotels. Learn about this closure.
• Upon reopening, theme parks, Disney Resort hotels, restaurants, attractions, experiences and other offerings may be modified and will be limited in capacity and subject to limited availability or closure, based on direction from health experts and government officials to promote physical distancing. View important details.

Disney Springs opened May 20th, with social distancing, mask requirements and temperature checks.

Universal Orlando Requests to Reopen on June 1; Public Opening on June 5

https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/safety-protocols-for-govt-relations-phase-2-final-1590088608.pdf

 

[AKNOTTS66]

Disney closes all theme parks as coronavirus spreads globally

Disney’s park employees are worried about what happens in the coming days amid coronavirus spread

www.theverge.com

Article:

"As various sports leagues and major conferences decide to postpone seasons and events in wake of the spreading coronavirus pandemic, Disney hasn’t made the decision to close some of its most visited theme parks.

In the United States, there are more than 1,300 confirmed coronavirus cases, and extreme precautions are being taken to contain the spread as that number is expected to rise. As more cases pop up in California and Florida — home of Disney’s two parks in the United States — and visitors continue to enter the resorts, it’s the cast members (the terminology Disney uses to refer to employees) who are left to wonder what happens next. The Verge has reached out to Disney for more information about the current plan regarding its parks divisions in the United States; the company has already closed parks in Tokyo, Shanghai, and Hong Kong.

“We have heard very little from management about the response to COVID-19,” one employee with knowledge of the situation, who asked to remain anonymous out of fear of retaliation, told The Verge. “I haven’t heard a single word about other parks closing, almost like it is a dirty secret. I’ve seen a lot of companies talking about extended sick leaves, working from home, and working with insurance to ensure free testing but nothing of the sort from Disney other than ‘wash your hands.’”

Dr. Pamela Hymel, chief medical officer for Disney parks, said in a statement that Disney parks are exceptionally clean destinations, but acknowledged the company is keeping an eye on things.

“I HAVEN’T HEARD A SINGLE WORD ABOUT OTHER PARKS CLOSING, ALMOST LIKE IT IS A DIRTY SECRET”

“As part of our commitment to the health and well-being of our cast, guests and the larger community, we are carefully monitoring the evolving coronavirus situation and are in regular contact with health agencies for information and guidance,” Hymel said on March 10th. “Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Resort, are welcoming guests as usual and we continue to implement preventive measures in line with the recommendations of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other health agencies.”

Disneyland Paris issued a formal statement today confirming it will remain open while lowering the number of people who can enter the park in accordance with new country policies. Between March 12th and April 15th, queue lines won’t exceed 1,000 people, which follows France’s coronavirus-fighting measures. While parades at the park have been canceled during the period, restaurants, shops, and attractions remain open. In France, the total number of confirmed coronavirus cases rose from 497 cases on Tuesday to 2,281 cases today. More than 30 people have died, and more than 100 are in serious condition. That number is expected to grow.

Disney’s cast member situation is unique. Many of the cast members live together in apartments near the park. This employee told The Verge that although they don’t have day-to-day interactions with guests, they live with a number of cast members who do. “If one gets it, we all get it,” they explained. Due to the unique living arrangements for so many of the park’s employees, there’s fear the virus could spread quickly. It also means that a large number of cast members and employees could have to undergo a two-week quarantine. Full-time Disney park employees receive full health benefits. There is also a clinic on-site that employees can go to that is cheaper, but not free.

“IF ONE GETS IT, WE ALL GET IT”

“Imagine if this breaks out in the college program housing,” they said, referring to a Disney program that pairs a number of people together in one house. “I feel like they have to address these things but that it would dig deep into a culture of underpaying and intern labor.”

Closing Disney parks could also have benefits for public health at large. Past cases show how preventing big gatherings can lead to diminishing cases instead of a rise in infected people. In 1918, during the influenza epidemic, fewer people died in cities that closed places like schools and churches ahead of time. St. Louis was able to reduce the spread of disease by canceling sports games and closing movie theaters when the epidemic was still in its early stages. This helps to explain why a number of major events have been canceled, including SXSW, Emerald City Comic Con, and the Geneva Motor Show.
Disney’s executive team is keenly aware of the issue. Executive chairman Bob Iger told shareholders at the company’s annual shareholder meeting yesterday that “it’s fair to say we’re all sobered by the concern that we feel for everyone affected by this global crisis,” adding that “these are challenging times for everyone.”

“What we’ve demonstrated over the years is that we’re incredibly resilient,” Iger told shareholders. “If you think about the world today, what we create has never been more necessary or more important.”

“IT’S FAIR TO SAY WE’RE ALL SOBERED BY THE CONCERN THAT WE FEEL FOR EVERYONE AFFECTED BY THIS GLOBAL CRISIS
Neither Iger nor Bob Chapek, Disney’s new CEO, addressed future park closures at length. Chapek, who used to run Disney’s parks division before stepping into Iger’s previous role as head of the company, touted the opening of Avengers Campus at Disneyland in July 2020 — a massive extension to the park that brings many of the Marvel Cinematic Universe characters to the physical space. There was no direct talk about the closures of parks in Tokyo, Shanghai, and Hong Kong — or what happens to Paris, Anaheim, and Orlando. Disney currently doesn’t have a new parks head following Chapek’s promotion.

One analyst pointed out that although Disney parks will likely close their doors if the new coronavirus continues to spread throughout Orlando and Anaheim, it’s a $20 billion-a-year business. Disney will continue to operate the parks until it absolutely can’t — like the company did in China and Japan.

Since the outbreak, three emails have gone out: one from HR, one from Chapek, and one from Josh D’Amaro, the newly appointed president of Walt Disney World Resort in Orlando, according to the employee. The company also set up a hotline for employees to call. But the teams haven’t received any information about whether they’ll be financially supported if they get sick. “I haven’t been spoken to about it by higher management once,” the employee said. A central hub that employees can use for ongoing information about the parks in general, which now has a COVID-19 portal, was updated today to reflect the state of California’s guidance to limit large gatherings.

“DISNEYLAND RESORT CAST MEMBERS ARE REPORTING TO WORK TODAY”

“Disneyland Resort Cast Members are reporting to work today,” the message reads. “We have a dedicated team across our resort planning and activating to manage our operation and will share more as information becomes available. Walt Disney World Resort [in Orlando] remains open today and scheduled Cast Members should report to work.”
A union contract for employees states that Disney “may decide to pay us up to five days for missed work — ‘may’ being the key word,” according to the employee. Employees are worried that if the parks close, they won’t be able to afford food and rent. But the alternative, working at the parks and dealing with guests who may or may not be carrying the new coronavirus, is just as concerning.
“Everywhere I see the financial impact the virus is having, but almost nothing on the people impact,” the employee said. “Forcing full-time and part-time employees to not work and not get paid for a week to several weeks is incredibly scary. A lot of people here live week-to-week and this could devastate their lives.”"

 

[tlmadden73]

I think that is going to be the problem Disney is going to have going forward .. whether it is "safe" to have the parks open or not doesn't matter anymore. With all these sporting events canceling things "indefinitely" .. if Disney doesn't follow suit, they will get a huge black eye about being "greedy" .. or they will just have tons of employees call out sick in a panic, not wanting to be exposed at work, but at the same time, if the parks close -- they are out of a job for perhaps a long period of time with no other jobs available as the tourist industry basically takes the next 1-2 months off.
Disney (and their employees) are in a potential lose/lose situation here.

Either way .. the parks aren't going to be the same for the next 6 months probably.

On the LONG-TERM bright side (and I don't mean to make light of the situation, just looking back) . .since a lot of the discounts and incentives we have enjoyed the past 20 years stemmed from the tourist downturn after 9/11, we could see the same thing here for 2020 and 2021 .. "better" discounts and incentives (like free dining or extra magic hours) to get people back in the parks after this HOPEFULLY passes.

 

[Remy is Up]

Posting something inflammatory from a very politically motivated website isnt fact or news and has nothing to do with this thread.
That being said, Disney has decisions to make and will certainly make them. But, keep in mind, the whole tourism industry is being slammed and the tone form most companies at this point is if you get it, use sick leave and then STD. If you dont have that and cant work, then you arent getting paid. Not to say Disney will follow suit BUT if they do they wont be the only ones.

 

[2Gma]

Disney where have you been in the past 24 hours?!! Please be part of the solution and not the problem. #canceleverything

Yes, losing out on a vacation and $$$ stinks (myself included) but we all need to do our part to #flattenthecurve...it's our best opportunity for better survival rates.

 

[Remy is Up]

Disney where have you been in the past 24 hours?!! Please be part of the solution and not the problem. #canceleverything

Yes, losing out on a vacation and $$$ stinks (myself included) but we all need to do our part to #flattenthecurve...it's our best opportunity for better survival rates.

As long as people realize the ramifications of making decisions like this. Thats why its taking so long. Because they are trying to find the right solution, not just a solution. The travel industry is already in the toilet, keep in mind what is going to happen in Florida if and when they make a decision to close. Lots of jobs will be lost and the economy will suffer. That in turn will have a ripple effect on other parts of the country. This isnt a simple solution to find.

 

[rteetz]

Disney where have you been in the past 24 hours?!! Please be part of the solution and not the problem. #canceleverything

Yes, losing out on a vacation and $$$ stinks (myself included) but we all need to do our part to #flattenthecurve...it's our best opportunity for better survival rates.

As I have mentioned elsewhere there is so much at play here. They can't just announce we are shutting everything down today without a plan for every aspect impacted.

 

[FutureDisneyEventPlanner]

Lots of jobs will be lost

Forgive my ignorance but I don't understand the job loss thing. Obviously places need money coming in to pay their employees, but for something this big...everyone is struggling and they'll need employees to run things when they re-open. I probably just don't get it though.

 

[2Gma]

Agreed, no simple solution. There are many logistics at play but they could put something out..."operational hours will be adjusted, more details released soon."

Yes, the virus will cause chain reactions throughout our economy through many companies, the world really, everyone will be affected somehow.

 

[Krandor]

I'll repeat what i sad in the old thread.

I do expect Disney is planning to close things down but they can't just announce that without having answers for people on refunds, DVC, what happens to people currently on property, etc etc. and that information needs to be dispersed to staff before they can make an announcement. As soon as that announcement is made, the phone lines will be lighting up and the people answering those phones need answers to give people. Otherwise it looks bad when people call for questions and get told "we don't know yet". Just a lot of logistics that disney has to think through before they could issue a statemet like that

 

[jknezek]

Uggh. Put this info in wrong thread... moving to proper thread.

 

[rteetz]

WDW Guests Can Now Find Hand Sanitizer and COVID-19 Info Locations in My Disney Experience App

If you're currently in the Walt Disney World parks or resorts and find yourself in need of a squirt of hand sanitizer, you'll be glad to know that sanitizer locations throughout the parks and resorts

www.wdwinfo.com

 

[only hope]

Forgive my ignorance but I don't understand the job loss thing. Obviously places need money coming in to pay their employees, but for something this big...everyone is struggling and they'll need employees to run things when they re-open. I probably just don't get it though.

Temporary/seasonal employees at WDW could lose their jobs. But the bigger concern to me is the ripple effect, particularly in the areas within a short drive of WDW/Universal. I don’t think WDW would lay off permanent employees, at least not immediately. There are hundreds of hotels, bars, restaurants, shops, and other attractions that get a large part of their business from tourists that the parks bring to Fl. A waiter, housecleaner, cashier, etc are all easily replaceable. If income drops low enough long enough, jobs will be lost. When the economy picks back up, then they’ll hire again.

 

[Remy is Up]

Forgive my ignorance but I don't understand the job loss thing. Obviously places need money coming in to pay their employees, but for something this big...everyone is struggling and they'll need employees to run things when they re-open. I probably just don't get it though.

The tourism industry ( Airlines, Vacation Destinations, etc etc as well as a whole State like Florida where tourism money is huge) is a big piece of the pie and has a ripple effect. When the income to airlines drops and flights are missed or cancelled, when Disney has to shut down, when large events are cancelled, there is no revenue or lost revenue and without a way to create more, the next step is eliminate labor through layoffs, furloughs, or just a sorry we have no hours available. This is a lot bigger than just a virus making people sick and we have to stop things. It has an adverse effect on the economy that will take time to recover from.

 

[Remy is Up]

I'll repeat what i sad in the old thread.

I do expect Disney is planning to close things down but they can't just announce that without having answers for people on refunds, DVC, what happens to people currently on property, etc etc. and that information needs to be dispersed to staff before they can make an announcement. As soon as that announcement is made, the phone lines will be lighting up and the people answering those phones need answers to give people. Otherwise it looks bad when people call for questions and get told "we don't know yet". Just a lot of logistics that disney has to think through before they could issue a statemet like that

Yep and the CMs will be given a specific script to follow with answers they are given and nothing more. They dont make the decisions, just the front line that people talk to and catch all the heat.

 

[gatour]

Forgive my ignorance but I don't understand the job loss thing. Obviously places need money coming in to pay their employees, but for something this big...everyone is struggling and they'll need employees to run things when they re-open. I probably just don't get it though.

If you are normally scheduled for X number of hours per week, and are now not scheduled for those hours, that is a job loss. You most likely won't have a job for several weeks or months. Those employees will most likely move on or worse case be living on the streets, perhaps with no transportation once things open back up

 

[Remy is Up]

If you are normally scheduled for X number of hours per week, and are now not scheduled for those hours, that is a job loss. You most likely won't have a job for several weeks or months. Those employees will most likely move on or worse case be living on the streets, perhaps with no transportation once things open back up

Unfortunate but true. The ripple effect is damaging

 

[The Jackal]

Let’s face the real facts. WDW is a global destination. People from all over the world have been bringing with them to WDW illnesses for decades. Almost every trip, someone in my party gets some kind of illness from there. COVID 19 is very easily transferred and people have different severity of symptoms when infected. Should they shut down, I personally don’t think they should. Business for them will slow down. Everything in life is deadly. Driving in a car is deadly, walking down a road is deadly with impaired and distracted drivers. Should you stop getting the mail out of the mailbox because someone gets hit and killed by a distracted driver? It happens more than you think.

 

[freshmanjs]

Let’s face the real facts. WDW is a global destination. People from all over the world have been bringing with them to WDW illnesses for decades. Almost every trip, someone in my party gets some kind of illness from there. COVID 19 is very easily transferred and people have different severity of symptoms when infected. Should they shut down, I personally don’t think they should. Business for them will slow down. Everything in life is deadly. Driving in a car is deadly, walking down a road is deadly with impaired and distracted drivers. Should you stop getting the mail out of the mailbox because someone gets hit and killed by a distracted driver? It happens more than you think.

The last part of this post is absurd. The implication of what you’re saying is that because all of life has some risk, we should accept any risk. I mean why use condoms? Who cares about hiv? Getting the mail is dangerous, so what the heck.

 

[Remy is Up]

Let’s face the real facts. WDW is a global destination. People from all over the world have been bringing with them to WDW illnesses for decades. Almost every trip, someone in my party gets some kind of illness from there. COVID 19 is very easily transferred and people have different severity of symptoms when infected. Should they shut down, I personally don’t think they should. Business for them will slow down. Everything in life is deadly. Driving in a car is deadly, walking down a road is deadly with impaired and distracted drivers. Should you stop getting the mail out of the mailbox because someone gets hit and killed by a distracted driver? It happens more than you think.

While I agree with you, I also think it comes down to public pressure. The NCAA hasnt cancelled the NCAA tournament yet, but now Duke and Kansas have said they wont play even if it is without fans and every sportscaster is asking why when NBA, NHL, MLB, and MLS have all put things on hold, why hasnt the NCAA. Everyone will start asking why Disney, Busch, Universal, etc are still open when so many others are closing. Whether we agree or not that it seems kind of crazy, the concensus is that it is absolutely going to be a problem and people should stop gatherings. Lots of moving parts