Crash beats Brokeback!!! Yay!

[hubby_of_newtodisney]

Either you people are REALLY dense or your all messing with me. I just can't believe people are this dumb.

I would assume that Pete is messing with you, and that I am the dummy!

 

[hubby_of_newtodisney]

I'll say this; you put two lesbians on a mountain in paradise and I guarantee you'll see a lot more action than those boys had going. Yikes. again.

Thats a movie that men would line up to see Sorry, I am attempting to bring some levity to the discussion.

Also, for the record... I didn't have a problem with the story being about two homosexual men. It was making lifetime deception something that a heroic character would be capable of that really bothered me.

 

[hubby_of_newtodisney]

I think that I am done with this post! You all have fun. I'm gonna relax and watch some "Idol"

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I was very glad "Crash" won Best Picture over "Brokeback Mountain."

I don't condone the gay lifestyle at all and for "Brokeback" to win Best Picture would be further proof of the decline in morals and values in people. I know more and more people are accepting the gay lifestyle, but just because people are accepting it doesn't make it right.

I was very disappointed the "pimping" song won for best song, the other two up for the award were MUCH better, especially Dolly's. It is very sad to see a song like that win an Oscar.

VERY well said.

 

[Planogirl]

Just when I think that people are making progress on becoming kinder and more tolerant, a thread like this comes along. I am gratified to see that the vast majority here sound like good people with live and let live attitudes.

I need to see the Oscar winner before I can fairly offer an opinion. It never appealed to me but I'll give it a chance.

For the record, I don't really like pimps though. I hope that I'm not being intolerant in that regard.

 

[cardaway]

How exactly would "Brokeback Mountain" have proved the decline in morals and values in people?

And if it would have, would it hvae more than...

Chicago?
American Beauty?
Shakespeare in Love?
Silence of the Lambs?
Godfather Part II?
Godfather?

I fail to how, especially when compared to other past winners.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Agreed. I am never good at putting into words what I would like to say, but enough people here have done it for me, thank you.

I keep hoping that one day homosexuals will have the same rights as everyone else and also hope it will happen in my life time.

They have the same rights.

Not everyone condones their lifestyle choice.

 

[eclectics]

How exactly would "Brokeback Mountain" have proved the decline in morals and values in people?

And if it would have, would it hvae more than...

Chicago?
American Beauty?
Shakespeare in Love?
Silence of the Lambs?
Godfather Part II?
Godfather?

I fail to how, especially when compared to other past winners.

I guess having a gay theme trumps all the other "sins". Violence is just good 'ol entertainment but a gay snuggle is just plain outrageous!

 

[momof2inPA]

I heard someone predict that "Crash" would win before it did. They had been a voting member of the Academy and said many voting members are technical folks who would vote for Crash because it took more risks with editing, sound, etc. It may have had nothing to do with storyline.

 

[MsLeFever]

So, it wasn't necessary for them to marry to hide their secret from the world so they weren't murdered , they married to hide it from themselves.

Possible Brokeback spoilers below.......












You are wrong. Ennis got married because he thought his one homosexual affair was just that - a strange abberation. I really think that Ennis wasn't even gay, which is what made the movie so dang sad. He just happened to find a soul mate in someone that was also a man.

and Jack got married for the money! Not commendable - but not to hide who he was.

 

[LukenDC]

They have the same rights.

Not everyone condones their lifestyle choice.

The right to marry the person they love? The right to serve in the military without living a lie? The same tax and inheritance rights as heterosexuals?

Homosexuality is an intrinsic characteristic, not a lifestyle choice. Same with heterosexuality. Even the Catholic Church agrees on that point. It might interest you to know, Joe, that al Qaeda released a tape last week condemning homosexuality and equal rights for gay men and lesbians. Looks like you and Osama have something in common.

By the way Joe, you did not answer an earlier question I posed to you---Have you seen Brokeback Mountain?? You seem to have a lot of opinions about the film.

 

[LukenDC]

Possible Brokeback spoilers below.......












You are wrong. Ennis got married because he thought his one homosexual affair was just that - a strange abberation. I really think that Ennis wasn't even gay, which is what made the movie so dang sad. He just happened to find a soul mate in someone that was also a man.

and Jack got married for the money! Not commendable - but not to hide who he was.

Annie Proulx, author of Brokeback Mountain and a collaborator on the film, recently gave an interview in which she made it clear that both characters are gay. While individual interpretations of a story may differ (that's what makes literature and film so interesting!), the author's intent was to create two gay characters who struggle with their sexuality in an oppressive society.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

The right to marry the person they love? The right to serve in the military without living a lie? The same tax and inheritance rights as heterosexuals?

Homosexuality is an intrinsic characteristic, not a lifestyle choice. Same with heterosexuality. Even the Catholic Church agrees on that point. It might interest you to know, Joe, that al Qaeda released a tape last week condemning homosexuality and equal rights for gay men and lesbians. Looks like you and Osama have something in common.

By the way Joe, you did not answer an earlier question I posed to you---Have you seen Brokeback Mountain?? You seem to have a lot of opinions about the film.

Why would I want to see a film whose main claim to fame is gay love? Even without the gay love, it sounds like a chick flick.

No, I don't condone the gay lifestyle choice. Comparing me to Osama is not going to change my mind, and I do not "condemn" those who chose the gay lifestyle. Even if the Catholic Church considers it "intrinsic," we are to overcome our sins with God's help, not kowtow to our sins.

1) Sure they can serve in the military (what lie?). 2) An adult male can marry a women and an adult women can marry a man -- same rights. Love is a decision, decide wisely. 3) Some tax laws are based on families. Inheritance laws -- I'm not aware of retrictions on a will -- see a lawyer I guess.

 

[LukenDC]

Why would I want to see a film whose main claim to fame is gay love? Even without the gay love, it sounds like a chick flick.

Even if the Catholic Church considers it "intrinsic," we are to overcome our sins with God's help, not kowtow to our sins.

Well, since I neither believe in God nor the concept of sin, the debate is not even worth having. Since the fundamentalists can no longer stir up a witch hysteria; enslave minorities; persecute Jews, Masons, Mormons, Catholics, and other minority religious groups; I guess that gays are now the convenient target. I'm sure glad that burning at the stake is no longer in vogue!

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

LOL Thought I was checking in on this thread to see a discussion of their respective cinematic merits. Whoooops!

Anyhow, while I haven't yet seen Brokeback (seems like kind of a "chick flick", as someone else said), I really like Crash and was glad it took home the big prize. I seriously thought about not seeing Brokeback because of its gay themes, but then I took a deep breath and remembered that I had seen Ang Lee's "The Wedding Guest" (his first US release -hope that's the right title) 15 years ago or so. As I recall, that was a solid flick. Then I remembered about how I used to love "Oz" on HBO, and how that show included what I thought was some pretty graphic same sex action. So I guess I can add Brokeback to my Netflix queue and not have to worry about hyperventilating when I see it -matter of fact it might be hypocritical for me not to see it. Just don't blame me if I fall asleep half way through it

 

[Free4Life11]

Annie Proulx, author of Brokeback Mountain and a collaborator on the film, recently gave an interview in which she made it clear that both characters are gay. While individual interpretations of a story may differ (that's what makes literature and film so interesting!), the author's intent was to create two gay characters who struggle with their sexuality in an oppressive society.

I thought they were bi? I mean they got married, had sex with women and had babies.

 

[janette]

Possible Brokeback spoilers below.......












You are wrong. Ennis got married because he thought his one homosexual affair was just that - a strange abberation. I really think that Ennis wasn't even gay, which is what made the movie so dang sad. He just happened to find a soul mate in someone that was also a man.

and Jack got married for the money! Not commendable - but not to hide who he was.

I'd disagree on Ennis, he was gay but couldn't accept that he was. Although he did have more relationships with women than Jack he wasn't successful at it.

 

[NeverEnufWDW]

No one chooses a homosexual orientation and it is simply another natural human condition. Period.

SURVEY SAYS...............X < annoying buzzer >

 

[Chuck S]

An adult male can marry a women and an adult women can marry a man -- same rights. Love is a decision, decide wisely.

Interesting...love is a decision...you "decide" who you will fall in love with. I guess the "Bachelor" and the "Dating Game" type shows are OK. Maybe that is the right way to pick. Or better yet simply have a panel of judges decide for you. All you'd have to do is "decide" that you'll fall in love with whoever they pick. And of course, divorce should be even easier to get, since the reverse must also be true...we could simply decide we don't love someone anymore. "Honey, I've been thinking, I know we've been together for 30 years, but I've simply decided not to love you anymore. No particular reason, just a decision after all, don't take it personally. I never found you attractive, but everyone else thought we'd be a good couple, and I consciously made a decision to fall in love with whomever they thought best. And now, I've simply changed my mind. No hard feelings, OK?"

 

[LukenDC]

Interesting...love is a decision...you "decide" who you will fall in love with. I guess the "Bachelor" and the "Dating Game" type shows are OK. Maybe that is the right way to pick. Or better yet simply have a panel of judges decide for you. All you'd have to do is "decide" that you'll fall in love with whoever they pick. And of course, divorce should be even easier to get, since the reverse must also be true...we could simply decide we don't love someone anymore. "Honey, I've been thinking, I know we've been together for 30 years, but I've simply decided not to love you anymore. No particular reason, just a decision after all, don't take it personally. I never found you attractive, but everyone else thought we'd be a good couple, and I consciously made a decision to fall in love with whomever they thought best. And now, I've simply changed my mind. No hard feelings, OK?"

Some religious conservatives seem very fickle about marriage. Perhaps that's why conservative Christians have a divorce rate that is higher than that of the general population. By the way, the state with the lowest divorce rate in the country is sinful, liberal, decadent, awful, immoral Massachusetts. The Bible Belt States tend to be at the other end of the spectrum.