Conservative thread: We're still smiling!

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but does anybody else (except decorated dust, who thinks he's dreamy :love: ) think bho looks as though he has an extra set of muscles encircling his mouth? it is so weird to me.:confused3
OMG how right you are! I hate the way his mouth looks!!

dems are havin' a rough go these days, huh? that's a shame.
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I know it. Cry me a river..... poor poor Dems.:rolleyes1

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Maybe she will be like Blago...a gift that keeps on giving.
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i guess i'll be on a four year diet.

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Where's your puking smiley???:scared1: I'm in dire need of it!!

Well I am packing up for my Disney CP today and I fly out to Orlando at 6 tomorrow morning. It is slightly nerve wracking right now because I also need to write some essays for scholarships before I leave. Too much stuff to do!
I'll see ya week after next!!!!:woohoo: Be sureand drop me a PM or something and give me a heads-up on what to expect!

Wow-two of our Conservative kids down at WDW!!! We're all so proud! :goodvibes

Pop in once in a while and tell us how you're doing!
Oh you guys will never get rid of me... never.

Me too! :lovestruc I have a thing for bald. Sounds weird, but I do. Ed Harris - Ooo la la!

I got really lucky cause DH shaves his head :rotfl:
DITTO on Ed Harris!!!!:lovestruc
Ok T&G, that family pic is too cute, but I have to admit that for a split second I thought you were flipping me off.:lmao: :rotfl2:
OMG I did too!!!!:lmao:

ITA! He is a hottie (and a Republican which makes him an even hotter hottie) :thumbsup2
Nothing better than a hot Republican!!:thumbsup2 My conservative celeb of choice is Gary Sinise though.... what a great guy he is!!:goodvibes :goodvibes

*sigh* I thought so, too. I can't make them because I don't have a Mickey cookie cutter. Won't somebody take pity on me? Send me some Mickey food? *sniffsniff* :sad1:
In 11 days I can send you all the Mickey food you want!! Not sure how well it would travel, but still...popcorn::
 
Just for a little fun, I thought I'd present to you Eeyore's Candy Co :eeyore: (kind of like Goofy's Candy Co, but just a little sadder...)

Here we have the candy making process, which includes such high-tech devices as a hammer...



Our lovely creations, from left to right we have thin mints, M&Ms, and Reeses Peanut Butter Cups:

Time for a bite!



:rotfl: Hope everyone is having a wonderful Saturday :eeyore:


Those look YUMMY! And sorry to comment on other items in the pic but I must say, we have the same canister set. They were DH's grandma's and we still use them. He loved them so much that we found the salt/pepper shakers that go with them on ebay! :rotfl:

I wish I had the ingredients here to make them. I do have the ingredients to make a Tiki Room Chocolate Lava Cake now (trying to stay with the Disney Theme).
 
so i'm on this atheist thread defending atheism as a non-religion and defending the right to the u.s. to incorporate "under god" in the pledge.

funny how they presumed i was a spiritual sort, merely because i am also a conservative. tells me how they like to package people. i'm actually al la carte, not lunch combo number 3.

whatev.

I do it too sometimes. I think conservative and I see Christian. I am always floored when I see a non-Christian as a Republican. It is weird because on Religious threads, it is esentially the same people (conservative/Christian vs liberal/non-Christian) with the exception of a few so I tend to forget that.
 

I do it too sometimes. I think conservative and I see Christian. I am always floored when I see a non-Christian as a Republican. It is weird because on Religious threads, it is esentially the same people (conservative/Christian vs liberal/non-Christian) with the exception of a few so I tend to forget that.

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Since we are talking about pigeon holing people into different stereotypes, I thought this might be an interesting read. I will highlight the important parts as a lot of it deals with Ted Dekker's upcoming works.
The Challenge of being Gay

So here I sit, facing down another monster. You’d think that after all this time nestled down in my hole on this spinning globe, I’d be able to look challenges in the face and think of them as something less threatening than a monster. But then again, life is all about monsters.

The loss of a job. Graduation. A parent who’s scrambling to make ends meet. A breakup. A particularly large zit that has insisted on perching itself on the end of your nose just when you’d cleared up. In their own ways, every new challenge is a kind of monster, waiting to be conquered or courted, depending on the circumstances.

I face several such challenges at this point in my life.

First, there’s the website redesign which, after being nearly completed by one party in November was entirely scrapped because it just wasn’t doing the trick, know what I mean? Ouch. But we look to have take-two up mid to late March and we’re looking forward to courting this monster and winning him as a friend.

Second, there’s my first co-authored novel with a woman with the current release of KISS. It’s a twisting story that harkens back to the “old Ted” only this time with Erin Healy. Jennifer Deshler, the marketing guru at the publisher came up with the marketing tag “Heart Pounding meets Heart Warming” and I think that about sums it up. Typically I write my stories with my alter-ego sitting on my shoulder. Samantha, perhaps you know her. Perhaps that’s why working with Erin who also is a woman came so naturally to me. Early reviews are very strong.

Still, what will all the peeps say?

Thirdly, there’s the release of my first truly "mainstream" novel, BONEMAN’S DAUGHTER. Yes, the novel plumbs spiritual themes about God’s intense love in contrast to the love offered by a very, very wicked killer called BONEMAN, but it’s not specifically labeled as being a story solely for Christians any more than Jesus’ parables were labeled as such.

Says James Rollins, New York Times bestselling author of The Last Oracle: "Ted Dekker's latest thriller BONEMAN'S DAUGHTERS is a tour-de-force of suspense that demands to be read in one sitting. A twisting story… made all the more visceral for its taut telling and conflicted characters. "

Says Brad Meltzer, New York Times bestselling author of The Book of Lies: “BONEMAN’S DAUGHTERS doesn't just get under your skin. It crawls there, and nests, and raises its head with a bitter tug, like it's living within you."

This novel seems to have struck a unique chord that I’ve sought to strike for years. And where’s the monster in this you ask? Yes, well this brings me to my whole point about being gay. And being Christian. Now please, hang with me here. My reasoning may stretch you, but you wouldn’t be reading anything written by me if you didn’t like to be stretched now and then.

You see, I used to be “gay.” In fact, if I had been published twenty years ago at the height of my gayness, I might have been branded “The Gay Author.”

Then things changed. I didn’t change, my happy self remained constant, as did all of what made me merry and carefree and thus I remained quite… well, gay. But the word “gay” itself began to change until one day it no longer meant happy, but rather “homosexual.” And once being gay, which only meant “happy,” I was no longer gay because I am now and always have been happily heterosexual.

No matter how much anyone might want the term gay to mean what it once did, it’s the hearer of a word, as much as the speaker, who determines any terms real meaning. That’s how words and communication works.

So the real challenge of being gay today is that I’m not. Although I was at one time and still am quite happy and carefree.


Now, back to BoneMan’s Daughter and, more specifically, whether BoneMan’s Daughters is a piece of Evangelical Christian Fiction. Like the word gay, the term “Evangelical Christian Fiction” has changed over the last twenty years. For starters the term “Evangelical” is fast becoming a measure of ones fanaticism and dedication to particular political and social agendas rather than a term that denotes doctrinal convictions or affiliations. The term “Christian” is close on its heels. Put together the meaning of phrase “Evangelical Christian” means one thing in Atlanta, and another thing entirely in New York or Boston. In one city it means protestant, in another it means bigoted, politically motivated, fundamentalist who hates liberals and is willing to take up arms to prove it. Or something like that.

If that is what is understood by “Evangelical Christian” than I have never written “Evangelical Christian” novels, and I should certainly never be counted as a bigoted, politically motivated, fundamentalist who hates liberals, particularly if I have any intention of following the teachings of Jesus. In fact, an argument could me made that in many places “Evangelical Christian” is decidedly un-Christian. Please take no offense, both are just words that became associated with Christ long after his time on earth.

I myself am a believer, unshaken in my convictions, and every novel I write grapples with those very same convictions. Still, BoneMan’s Daughters is my first which sheds the label “Evangelical Christian Fiction” in part because the term is radically misunderstood by half the country. Will Christian bookstores like Family, LifeWay and Parable still promote a book of mine like BoneMan’s Daughters which contains no offensive language or sex and explores God’s sacrificial love? Of course. It’s hardly different than Thr3e (which CBA stores voted fiction title of the year in 2003) or a number of other novels I’ve written in this respect. CBA stores carry many products and books not specifically labeled as “Evangelical,” beginning with the Bible itself.

Will my current readers buy BoneMan’s Daughter? If they like my thrillers, yes, it’s a humdinger and will challenge any reader’s understanding of God’s love.

But the issue of labeling a book surfaces a deeper one facing our culture today. Are our books decidedly Evangelical Christian? For that matter, are we? Are you?

If the term no longer properly describes a follower of Jesus to a growing segment of our society, should you, knowing this, use it? Do you still use the word “gay” to describe yourself even though the meaning of that term has changed over time?

Or, should you use the term only among those who understand what you mean by it, and use a different term among those who don’t know what you mean? I know it sounds like I’m begging the question, but I really do want you to help me form an opinion. This is an issue that is facing us all, including our good friends in CBA bookstores.

Tell me what you think by clicking on comments below, then go to the home page of Teddekker.com and vote on the poll. And thank you for carefully considering a difficult question.

And it is not just words like Evangelical and Gay, but words like Liberal and Conservative. To use one against a person of opposite thought processes is tantamount to an insult or idealogical slur. Atheism means to a lot of people that they are heathens and have no morals whatsoever. What are your thoughts?
 
Since we are talking about pigeon holing people into different stereotypes, I thought this might be an interesting read. I will highlight the important parts as a lot of it deals with Ted Dekker's upcoming works.


And it is not just words like Evangelical and Gay, but words like Liberal and Conservative. To use one against a person of opposite thought processes is tantamount to an insult or idealogical slur. Athiesm means to a lot of people that they are heathens and have no morals whatsoever. What are your thoughts?

that was a very good article. i'm not familiar with this author, but maybe i'll explore his books next.

btw, i was fascinated as i started reading the article...i am frustrated by the current use of the word "gay"...i'd like it to mean what it meant long ago and in all the happy christmas and big band songs. i always say homosexual...call it what it is.
 
that was a very good article. i'm not familiar with this author, but maybe i'll explore his books next.

btw, i was fascinated as i started reading the article...i am frustrated by the current use of the word "gay"...i'd like it to mean what it meant long ago and in all the happy christmas and big band songs. i always say homosexual...call it what it is.

His books are very easy to read, I even let my friend who was an atheist read his books and he liked them just fine. He is very prolific with 3-5 books out every year. Granted 2008-09 have had smaller books of his that tie into a trilogy he wrote a few years back but it is still amazing.
 
And it is not just words like Evangelical and Gay, but words like Liberal and Conservative. To use one against a person of opposite thought processes is tantamount to an insult or idealogical slur. Athiesm means to a lot of people that they are heathens and have no morals whatsoever. What are your thoughts?

oh oops...forgot to answer your question.

for me: as i mentioned once before, i was brought up in the episcopal church. i was in the choir, my mother was very involved, yadda, yadda, yadda. sorta normal.

i remember once my mother telling me that it is an awful thing when a person's conscience bothers them. conscience. hmmm.... i started taking the lessons from everything church and comparing them to conscience (somebody on another post said the ten commandments are "duh"...well yes!). the golden rule, good conscience, all of that became what i considered the way to live, whether or not it was directly related to a religion or a deity. when i first understood what atheism was, i realized that's me. but it didn't mean something contrary to the lessons from the bible or taught in church or religion, it just meant not needing to add religion to the mix in order to do the right thing.

later, as an art history major, i was learning more and more about religion as it related to politics and business throughout history and throughout the world. to understand art, it was necessary to understand religious beliefs and mythology. so i took some mythology classes and a great class called "the bible as literature". that's when i decided what religion and specifically the bible was all about (to me). to me it was not literal. to me it was a way (think about how long ago this was!) of creating social accord, where none yet existed ,and establishing a level of acceptable behavior in society, with examples of what happens to those who refuse to cooperate. to me it was allegory.

i think people tend to equate atheism with other types of worship or belief systems (paganism, the church of satan, wicca, etc., all which seem to have deity/deities), and atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. out of a lack of understanding of those other beliefs and of atheism, i think they are grouped together as something dark, scary, and unacceptable. heck, you can read about the church of satan and see that they have morals too.

short answer: i think it is programming and ignorance.
 
His books are very easy to read, I even let my friend who was an atheist read his books and he liked them just fine. He is very prolific with 3-5 books out every year. Granted 2008-09 have had smaller books of his that tie into a trilogy he wrote a few years back but it is still amazing.

kewl!!!!! i'll read 'em!
 
You gonna share some of that or what? :flower3:
I've got three and there's only two of us! I can always make more :goodvibes

:headache: Just about to go grocery shopping and now I have to add rice crispy treat ingrediants to the list.

Those look awesome!!! :thumbsup2
The bits I've eaten so far have been very tasty :thumbsup2

why don't i have some of those in my pantry?:confused3
You should make some. It's fun!!


i thought she was our friend. :sad1:
*sigh* I thought so, too. I can't make them because I don't have a Mickey cookie cutter. Won't somebody take pity on me? Send me some Mickey food? *sniffsniff* :sad1:
I'm sorry :sad1: I was away from the computer! Don't be angry :sad1:

Oh, and I got the Mickey cookie cutter at WDW in October, so they probably still have them.

Hey, no fair! That's mean!!!;) Actually, they look scrumcious and yummy, and now I'm craving one. Thanks.:laughing:
I decided I couldn't wait until February to go to Goofy's, so I brought it to me!

Those look YUMMY! And sorry to comment on other items in the pic but I must say, we have the same canister set. They were DH's grandma's and we still use them. He loved them so much that we found the salt/pepper shakers that go with them on ebay! :rotfl:

I wish I had the ingredients here to make them. I do have the ingredients to make a Tiki Room Chocolate Lava Cake now (trying to stay with the Disney Theme).

Funny story: he doesn't even use the canisters. His parents gave them to him. They're empty.

Oh, and the popsicle sticks were stolen from real popsicles that we melted since no one eats popsicles in the winter. :sad2: So if you do a bit of snooping, you might just have the ingredients!
 
And it is not just words like Evangelical and Gay, but words like Liberal and Conservative. To use one against a person of opposite thought processes is tantamount to an insult or idealogical slur. Atheism means to a lot of people that they are heathens and have no morals whatsoever. What are your thoughts?
But politically I am a conservative. So for someone to call me that, I don't feel insulted. :confused3
And I am Evangelical. And if someone asks me what I believe I'll gladly tell them.
I think I tend to equate conservativism with Christianity because IRL most of the conservatives I know are Christian or another form of religion.

i think people tend to equate atheism with other types of worship or belief systems (paganism, the church of satan, wicca, etc., all which seem to have deity/deities), and atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. out of a lack of understanding of those other beliefs and of atheism, i think they are grouped together as something dark, scary, and unacceptable. heck, you can read about the church of satan and see that they have morals too.

short answer: i think it is programming and ignorance.
To me, atheism is lack of belief in a god, denying the existence of. I don't equate it with paganism or satanism (also two different religions).
No two athiests are alike, just as no two Christians are alike, no two Jews, etc. I say this as a preface to this: Wonder is not the first athiest I've met. But Wonder and any of my other athiest friends here are the first athiests I've met who don't worship themselves and/or science.
Keep in mind that I live in western WA and there are a lot of athiests here. And the ones I've met IRL here in WA are jerkwads who out and out hate Christians and every other religion (well, except for islam but they still think their belief in a god is misguided at best), are intolerant, and worship at the alter of science and a mirror.:sad1:
 
kewl!!!!! i'll read 'em!

Here is the list of his books.

THE BLESSED SERIES
Blessed Child
A Man Called Blessed

THE MARTYR'S SONG SERIES
Heaven's Wager
When Heaven Weeps
Thunder of Heaven
Martyr's Song

OTHER
Blink (Blink of an Eye)
Thr3e
Obsessed
Adam
Kiss

BOOKS OF HISTORY CHRONICLES
THE CIRCLE TRILOGY
Black
Red
White

THE PARADISE NOVELS
Showdown
Saint
Sinner

OTHER(Tied in with BoHC)
House
Skin

THE LOST BOOKS
Chosen
Infidel
Renegade
Chaos



This year he is coming out with Lunatic and Elyon (part of the Lost Books), Boneman's Daughters (other), and Green (a conclusion to the Circle Trilogy) (all great trilogies come in 4's)

The Books of History Chronicles are confusing if read in a different order. For those, I would read them in the order I have there.

What is amazing is that his first book was coauthored with Bill Bright and that was in 2000. 18 of those books have come out since 2003, with 4 more this year. It is nuts, but I don't ever have to wait.
 
but does anybody else (except decorated dust, who thinks he's dreamy :love: ) think bho looks as though he has an extra set of muscles encircling his mouth? it is so weird to me.:confused3

*sigh* I'm never gonna live that down, am I? :rotfl2:
 
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