Conservative thread: We're still smiling!

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Here is the list of his books.

THE BLESSED SERIES
Blessed Child
A Man Called Blessed

THE MARTYR'S SONG SERIES
Heaven's Wager
When Heaven Weeps
Thunder of Heaven
Martyr's Song

OTHER
Blink (Blink of an Eye)
Thr3e
Obsessed
Adam
Kiss

BOOKS OF HISTORY CHRONICLES
THE CIRCLE TRILOGY
Black
Red
White

THE PARADISE NOVELS
Showdown
Saint
Sinner

OTHER(Tied in with BoHC)
House
Skin

THE LOST BOOKS
Chosen
Infidel
Renegade
Chaos



This year he is coming out with Lunatic and Elyon (part of the Lost Books), Boneman's Daughters (other), and Green (a conclusion to the Circle Trilogy) (all great trilogies come in 4's)

The Books of History Chronicles are confusing if read in a different order. For those, I would read them in the order I have there.

What is amazing is that his first book was coauthored with Bill Bright and that was in 2000. 18 of those books have come out since 2003, with 4 more this year. It is nuts, but I don't ever have to wait.

Holy cow. That man writes fast. Do you have any idea how he does it? I have been meaning to read his books for a while, but his promptness makes me nervous.
 
Holy cow. That man writes fast. Do you have any idea how he does it? I have been meaning to read his books for a while, but his promptness makes me nervous.

I don't, and what is amazing is that he still has a loving wife and kids. I wouldn't worry to much, his plots and characters are amazing. I have complained in the past about how his writing in terms of maturity isn't where it should, but he has begun to turn that around and is becoming even better with each book. Kiss which he co-authored with new author Erin Healy is probably his greatest in terms of writing style. Every book though causes you to think and has very memorable characters and situations. His two latest books have been New York Times #1 best sellers so its not like I am the only one who thinks so.
 
To me, atheism is lack of belief in a god, denying the existence of. I don't equate it with paganism or satanism (also two different religions).
No two athiests are alike, just as no two Christians are alike, no two Jews, etc. I say this as a preface to this: Wonder is not the first athiest I've met. But Wonder and any of my other athiest friends here are the first athiests I've met who don't worship themselves and/or science.
Keep in mind that I live in western WA and there are a lot of athiests here. And the ones I've met IRL here in WA are jerkwads who out and out hate Christians and every other religion (well, except for islam but they still think their belief in a god is misguided at best), are intolerant, and worship at the alter of science and a mirror.:sad1:

well you're smarter than the average bear.

i cannot fathom finding out somebody's religion and automatically hating them because of it...that is what really blows my mind about some people.

ya don't have to be one thing or another thing to be a good human.
 

OMG how right you are! I hate the way his mouth looks!!

yeah...what IS that? it seems to be most prominent under his lower lip. (there are so many jokes to be made here about how he managed his way into the white house, but i just can't...maybe mr. man will since he's without points right now...)
 
oh oops...forgot to answer your question.

for me: as i mentioned once before, i was brought up in the episcopal church. i was in the choir, my mother was very involved, yadda, yadda, yadda. sorta normal.

i remember once my mother telling me that it is an awful thing when a person's conscience bothers them. conscience. hmmm.... i started taking the lessons from everything church and comparing them to conscience (somebody on another post said the ten commandments are "duh"...well yes!). the golden rule, good conscience, all of that became what i considered the way to live, whether or not it was directly related to a religion or a deity. when i first understood what atheism was, i realized that's me. but it didn't mean something contrary to the lessons from the bible or taught in church or religion, it just meant not needing to add religion to the mix in order to do the right thing.

later, as an art history major, i was learning more and more about religion as it related to politics and business throughout history and throughout the world. to understand art, it was necessary to understand religious beliefs and mythology. so i took some mythology classes and a great class called "the bible as literature". that's when i decided what religion and specifically the bible was all about (to me). to me it was not literal. to me it was a way (think about how long ago this was!) of creating social accord, where none yet existed ,and establishing a level of acceptable behavior in society, with examples of what happens to those who refuse to cooperate. to me it was allegory.

i think people tend to equate atheism with other types of worship or belief systems (paganism, the church of satan, wicca, etc., all which seem to have deity/deities), and atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. out of a lack of understanding of those other beliefs and of atheism, i think they are grouped together as something dark, scary, and unacceptable. heck, you can read about the church of satan and see that they have morals too.

short answer: i think it is programming and ignorance.

I took that class my freshman year in college. My favorite part was how Mark, my professor, had us watch movies to see the influence of religion on plots, and how most have a Jesus-type character. It really changed the way I view films. Mark would have a blast analyzing the movie I saw today, Gran Torino.:thumbsup2
 
well you're smarter than the average bear.

i cannot fathom finding out somebody's religion and automatically hating them because of it...that is what really blows my mind about some people.

ya don't have to be one thing or another thing to be a good human.

I honestly never understood equating atheism to paganism and satanism either.

It says in the Bible that we were created in His image, but that does not solely mean anatomically. I think, as well as others, that this means our sense of right and wrong, (only further enhanced from the tree). This means all humans have this moral sense of right and wrong IMO. Christians in particular tend to forget that.
 
I took that class my freshman year in college. My favorite part was how Mark, my professor, had us watch movies to see the influence of religion on plots, and how most have a Jesus-type character.

YES!!! everything!!!! just about every book deals with biblical (or mythlogical) conflicts and characters. the nature of mankind hasn't changed much over the last 3k years or so.
 
thank you! i sent the list to myself so i can find them easily.

fun, fun, fun...i love to read and sometimes i just find there is a real dry spell of good stuff.

I say start off with Thr3e and those other books listed in OTHER to get a sense for his writing style, see if you like it or not. I personally haven't read the Blessed or Martyr's song series. I started with thr3e and haven't read any of his earlier stuff. The Books of History Chronicles are mind-bending at times and don't contain the same characters except with in their enclosed "epics" ( lost books, circle trilogy, paradise novels), but are all tied together in some amazing ways. I have to wonder if he started with the Circle Trilogy and Showdown, and just went from there winging it, or if he had it planned all along. And apparently all of those books are supposed to be the "BACK STORY" for another book he is planning on writing years down the road.
 
I honestly never understood equating atheism to paganism and satanism either.

It says in the Bible that we were created in His image, but that does not solely mean anatomically. I think, as well as others, that this means our sense of right and wrong, (only further enhanced from the tree). This means all humans have this moral sense of right and wrong IMO. Christians in particular tend to forget that.


:thumbsup2 one's particular geographic and social environment tend to influence what right and wrong translate to though. i guess we're seeing lots of that lately.

(you mean the tree of knowledge of good and evil?)
 
:thumbsup2 one's particular geographic and social environment tend to influence what right and wrong translate to though. i guess we're seeing lots of that lately.

(you mean the tree of knowledge of good and evil?)

Yes I do. In enhancing our knowledge of good and evil, I think it also corrupted it as well, leading to very different moral systems through time. Obviously things like Murder and such are ones that are pretty constant throughout, but the more subtle "laws" I think are easily done different for different cultures. That is as best as I can explain different moral structures with most of the 10 commandments being the same throughout, but different in other "moral" areas.
 
I say start off with Thr3e and those other books listed in OTHER to get a sense for his writing style, see if you like it or not. I personally haven't read the Blessed or Martyr's song series. I started with thr3e and haven't read any of his earlier stuff. The Books of History Chronicles are mind-bending at times and don't contain the same characters except with in their enclosed "epics" ( lost books, circle trilogy, paradise novels), but are all tied together in some amazing ways. I have to wonder if he started with the Circle Trilogy and Showdown, and just went from there winging it, or if he had it planned all along. And apparently all of those books are supposed to be the "BACK STORY" for another book he is planning on writing years down the road.

oh gosh, well, that is sure gonna be some book if these are back story!

thanks much for the advice. the guy must type about 300 wpm and never stop.
 
Yes I do. In enhancing our knowledge of good and evil, I think it also corrupted it as well, leading to very different moral systems through time. Obviously things like Murder and such are ones that are pretty constant throughtout, but the more subtle "laws" I think are easily done different for different cultures.

yeah, i suspect that would necessarily be true.
 
I took that class my freshman year in college. My favorite part was how Mark, my professor, had us watch movies to see the influence of religion on plots, and how most have a Jesus-type character. It really changed the way I view films. Mark would have a blast analyzing the movie I saw today, Gran Torino.:thumbsup2
Was that a good movie? DH wants to see it.

I honestly never understood equating atheism to paganism and satanism either.

It says in the Bible that we were created in His image, but that does not solely mean anatomically. I think, as well as others, that this means our sense of right and wrong, (only further enhanced from the tree). This means all humans have this moral sense of right and wrong IMO. Christians in particular tend to forget that.

I think we were created innocent with no concept of right and wrong. That's why the eating from the Tree of Good and Evil was forbidden. You don't need a conscience if you can't sin, which is the way we were "pre-fruit". ;) Children today are still that way. We have to teach them good from evil; they don't inherently know it. :thumbsup2
 
Since we are talking about pigeon holing people into different stereotypes, I thought this might be an interesting read. I will highlight the important parts as a lot of it deals with Ted Dekker's upcoming works.

And it is not just words like Evangelical and Gay, but words like Liberal and Conservative. To use one against a person of opposite thought processes is tantamount to an insult or idealogical slur. Atheism means to a lot of people that they are heathens and have no morals whatsoever. What are your thoughts?

Very cool article. It was interesting what he said. I don't really consider myself evangelical, or even a Christian. Christian means "little Christ," and Lord knows I'm nowhere close to that. I still indicate "Christian" on relevant forms, but I am a follower of Christ. Containing what the born-again are into one word is like trying to contain Christ into a few words, and not even the Bible could do that. This is why I'm not a fan of bumper stickers or labels for Christians.

About Atheism, my intellectual crisis has forced me to steer clear of some atheist stuff, but go toward others. From what I see, they come in many forms. Atheists, for the most part, are worshipers of reason and science, rather than the supernatural. If anything, they believe in morals as well, but not for any reason other than "doing good for goodness sake." Of course, these morals come mostly from the Christians, but that's another issue.

Many atheists I know were not brought there by some intellectual revelation, but a heart decision. It is after that that they gain all of the knowledge that essentially proves God as false. To them this is a comfort, and people like Richard Dawkins and Bill Mahar would say that religion only makes things worse. In a way they're right, but there is a part of me that shudders to think of what the world would have been like if Christianity had never came.

Atheists are smart, which was a a fact that was at the heart of my spiritual crisis. I love to learn and I love to take things apart and see how they work. However, I also love God, and there are people telling me left and right that the two are incompatible. Every time I consider the possibility that He isn't real, my heart sinks and my future becomes bleak. The fact is that reason has never made anyone fulfilled or happy. Just look at scientists working for years to figure one little thing out, and once they do, they move on to the next thing.

I believe in science, but I also believe in God. Not just any God, but the God of the Bible. God has done some amazing things in my life that are impossible to brush off. The Bible is not just a single literary document, but a book that was written by dozens of authors and still manages to tell a single narrative. That being said, I can see why atheists believe what they believe. It's not hard to find reasons God doesn't exist, but it's also mot hard to find reasons why He does. I've read enough apologetic to know that there are reasons. It is just more difficult. That's where the Holy Spirit comes in.

So, in short, I do believe atheism is a religion. They worship something, they just don't worship a god. Also, they are legit, they have just been blinded. However, I have seen examples of atheists coming to faith, not through arguments, but through God working in them.
 
I think we were created innocent with no concept of right and wrong. That's why the eating from the Tree of Good and Evil was forbidden. You don't need a conscience if you can't sin, which is the way we were "pre-fruit". ;) Children today are still that way. We have to teach them good from evil; they don't inherently know it. :thumbsup2

see how we atheists are? i figure the tree was a symbol, not a real tree.

but i get the concept and respect everybody's different perspectives.:angel:
 
Was that a good movie? DH wants to see it.

One of the best I've seen. I'm a huge fan of Clint Eastwood. It will offend some people with all of the racist stereotype language, but I think it is reflective to witness. Definitely intense.
 
Atheists are smart, which was a a fact that was at the heart of my spiritual crisis. I love to learn and I love to take things apart and see how they work. However, I also love God, and there are people telling me left and right that the two are incompatible. Every time I consider the possibility that He isn't real, my heart sinks and my future becomes bleak. The fact is that reason has never made anyone fulfilled or happy. Just look at scientists working for years to figure one little thing out, and once they do, they move on to the next thing.
God and intelligence are not incompatible, neither are science and God. Who do they think created those irrefutable scientific "laws" like gravity? :rolleyes1
see how we atheists are? i figure the tree was a symbol, not a real tree.

but i get the concept and respect everybody's different perspectives.:angel:
;) Yup, I believe it was real. Still is. Bible intimated that the Garden still exists. It was/is guarded by an angel after Adam and Eve were kicked out.
 
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