Cecil the Lion

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

I recall another DISer doing the same thing a while back but I can't remember her name. Shoot! Now it's gonna bug me for the rest of the day.

Try eating something sweet at a Barry Manilow concert when he plays the wonderful tune "Mandy" and I bet you will figure it out.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I really liked this piece, Raising Voices for Cecil The Lion

http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2015/07/30/427695220/raising-voices-for-cecil-the-lion

I like what she has to say, too.

And further, on Humanity:

humaneness; benevolence.
"he praised them for their standards of humanity, care, and dignity"
synonyms: compassion, brotherly love, fraternity, fellow feeling, philanthropy, humaneness, kindness, consideration, understanding, sympathy, tolerance;
leniency, mercy, mercifulness, clemency, pity, tenderness;
benevolence, charity, goodness, magnanimity, generosity
"he praised them for their humanity"

Experiencing grief over the loss of an animal just makes us, well, human. And I think that as humans, we have great capacity to feel a range of emotions for the suffering of all living things. (Well, at least most of us do.)

I noticed this professor also wrote a book on animal grieving, and it made me think about Cecil's pride mates and how they must be grieving his loss, too.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I recall another DISer doing the same thing a while back but I can't remember her name. Shoot! Now it's gonna bug me for the rest of the day.

I don't do it in general but when one of those should I call the doctor or repairman threads come up, I'll sometimes post an Andy Griffith video of "call the man"

 

[dinolounger]

Someone in the graphics department messed up.

OK, some here don't get quickly get allegory, so let me help: rather than drafting a diatribe (there are far too many in this thread already) about the miserable track record that "news" network has regarding accuracy (which is related to it's continually dropping viewership, but that's a separate discussion) I felt a single, emblematic image (and there are tons more in the link below if you want 'em) of a CNN screw up would make the point.

http://www.rt.com/usa/207963-cnn-blunders-map-mosque/

And if a picture doesn't do the job, this video will:

Ah,, the reason PETA went after media today by demanding Palmer be executed was to draw attention away from the fact they just lost a major court case:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/chimps-...les-1438272481?mod=WSJ_article_EditorsPicks_2

 

[SirDuff]

OK, some here don't get quickly get allegory, so let me help: rather than drafting a diatribe (there are far too many in this thread already) about the miserable track record that "news" network has regarding accuracy (which is related to it's continually dropping viewership, but that's a separate discussion) I felt a single, emblematic image (and there are tons more in the link below if you want 'em) of a CNN screw up would make the point.

Huh?

 

[Luv2Run]

I like what she has to say, too.

And further, on Humanity:

humaneness; benevolence.
"he praised them for their standards of humanity, care, and dignity"
synonyms: compassion, brotherly love, fraternity, fellow feeling, philanthropy, humaneness, kindness, consideration, understanding, sympathy, tolerance;
leniency, mercy, mercifulness, clemency, pity, tenderness;
benevolence, charity, goodness, magnanimity, generosity
"he praised them for their humanity"

Experiencing grief over the loss of an animal just makes us, well, human. And I think that as humans, we have great capacity to feel a range of emotions for the suffering of all living things. (Well, at least most of us do.)

I noticed this professor also wrote a book on animal grieving, and it made me think about Cecil's pride mates and how they must be grieving his loss, too.

I was thinking about this point, too. It just goes to show that it goes beyond just a man and the death of a lion.

These two points that the author of that NPR article brought up really stood out to me:

...people no longer wish to stay silent when they learn of the suffering of animals like Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe or Marius the giraffe in the Copenhagen Zoo, or SeaWorld's captive orcas and whales, or monkeys taken from their mothers and stressed at biomedical labs or animals confined in factory farms.

and

...each one of us can do something of significance. Maybe you're all about educating children in wildlife conservation, or working to get cats and dogs spay-neutered. Or maybe you decide not to eat so many animals anymore. Whatever works for you, it all makes a difference.

It brings to mind a few changes I've made in my own life over the past year or so. After we adopted our puppy, I thought about volunteering at our local animal shelter, but thought better of it because I can only bring home so many dogs (our lease only allows 2 dogs in the household, which we now have 2) and I know me and I know I'd want to rescue all of them. So I looked up how I could donate to a worthwhile charity instead. Through www.smile.amazon.com, you can choose to have portions of qualifying purchases donated to the charity of your choice. I buy so many things online through Amazon, so I figured, why not, it couldn't hurt. It tells you when your purchase qualifies for an Amazon Smile donation. Not only that, but I also have gifted tshirts, frisbees, and keychains to people I know from the Animal Hearted charity (25% of their proceeds go toward animal charities). We have also switched to getting our meats & fish (what little we do eat) from local farms in the area. We were surprised that the cost isn't that much more than supermarket meat, and the quality is WAY better. I also can't help but think about the Yulin festival and others like it in Asia. It tore my heart apart to read the headlines about this annual dog meat festival. I don't think I can recall any chatter here in the Dis Community Board about this, maybe a brief mention of it within a thread, but not a thread of its own that caused an uproar like this one about Cecil. And these were people's pets being stolen for the sole purpose of torture (boiling/skinning alive) and consumption because of a cultural superstition. I saw several petitions flying around the internet about it, and a donation site was set up through INstagram for relief efforts, but I didn't donate to it because it wasn't verified, and I was reluctant to send any money overseas to an organization that didn't confirm that that's what the money was being used for. I hope that next year they have it more organized so that others like myself can get correct information. Raising awareness is the first step, though, and I think that's what the uproar about Cecil is causing. If anything, it appears that people worldwide are becoming more aware of this problem. It's just a shame that it took the death of a beloved animal in order to do so.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Okay, don't have a link, but one of the lead stories on Yahoo says Zimbabwe has not charged Palmer, nor the farmer; only the PH (for now).

 

[DizBelle]

My DH fishes. A lot. If he isn't planning on eating the fish, he does catch and release. He mostly uses artificial lures. But, we don't catch fish just to watch them suffer OR to hang them on our walls. You won't find a single dead animal in my house. We eat what we keep.

I never did get catch and release fishing. I'm sure the fish doesn't appreciate a hook in the face just to get thrown back.

 

[DizBelle]

Unfortunately, it's probably not economically feasible nor logistically possible to move Cecil's cubs someplace else.







You've chose to quote my post twice as evidence of my reveling in the death threats he's been receiving or as being part of an ugly lynch mob.

I'm not calling for his head, nor reveling in all the crap that's been raining down on him. But likewise, I'm not boo-hooing about the threats the poor misunderstood dentist has brought upon himself. It's his problem to deal with, and I couldn't care less about it. If some unfortunate incident occurs to the dentist, oh well, sucks to be him.

As for his practice being plastered with "KILLER!" and other disparaging signs, not my problem. If his staff loses their jobs, again, sucks to be them. It's a pretty safe assumption that his staff was well aware of the dentist's "hobby," and that they knew he already has a record as a poacher. Yet they chose to work with him. They can share any woes that befall the dentist.

I'm not going to cry about any of it. There are several people here already doing enough of it.

And if some "unfortunate incident" takes him out and his children lose their father, well, sucks to be them. If some "unfortunate incident" ends up taking out the kids instead, well, sucks to be them.

 

[Hrhpd]

Try eating something sweet at a Barry Manilow concert when he plays the wonderful tune "Mandy" and I bet you will figure it out.

Thank you. Now I have this earworm:

Oh Mandy well,
You came and you gave without taking,
But I sent you away.

And I am craving some candy, for which I don't have any weight watchers points to spare.

Off to do some history research while I eat my boring chicken breast. (oops probably should add, organically raised, ethically treated, free range chicken breast)

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

I never did get catch and release fishing. I'm sure the fish doesn't appreciate a hook in the face just to get thrown back.

You'd think it would be a learning experience and it would only happen once!

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

Thank you. Now I have this earworm:

Oh Mandy well,
You came and you gave without taking,
But I sent you away.

And I am craving some candy, for which I don't have any weight watchers points to spare.

Off to do some history research while I eat my boring chicken breast. (oops probably should add, organically raised, ethically treated, free range chicken breast)

Sorry, it's been running through my head as well since I typed it so I know your pain.

 

[Kalliope]

And if some "unfortunate incident" takes him out and his children lose their father, well, sucks to be them. If some "unfortunate incident" ends up taking out the kids instead, well, sucks to be them.

You must be joking, right? If not, I am speechless.

 

[Art 1]

And if some "unfortunate incident" takes him out and his children lose their father, well, sucks to be them. If some "unfortunate incident" ends up taking out the kids instead, well, sucks to be them.

Que?

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

And if some "unfortunate incident" takes him out and his children lose their father, well, sucks to be them. If some "unfortunate incident" ends up taking out the kids instead, well, sucks to be them.

Wow, that's pretty harsh.

 

[Wendy31]

You must be joking, right? If not, I am speechless.

Que?

Wow, that's pretty harsh.

I think the poster is replying sarcastically to another poster who doesn't appear to care if anything bad happens to the dentist, his business, his coworkers, or even his family.

As for the lion, I'm sad about the lion. The dentist shouldn't have killed the lion. But he shouldn't have a lynch mob after him either. And, as sad as I am about the lion, I'm more heartbroken & outraged over the atrocities that happen to humans every day.

 

[Rhombus]

The New York Times published the below this morning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/30/us/cecil-the-lion-walter-palmer.html?_r=0

They hit the nail on the head in describing exactly what is going on here and elsewhere online:

Internet Vigilantism

And they almost directly quoted me on points I made earlier. From the article (I added the bold emphasis):

"The outrage and attention surrounding the lion’s death online caused Dr. Palmer to keep his office closed on Wednesday as he joined an ever-expanding group of people who have become targets of Internet vigilantism, facing a seemingly endless shaming until the next issue comes along."

And per the last point in the above quote, enjoy this fracas while you can, given its short life expectancy. That will be another two days or so max; by then the fickle online vigilante crowd will get distracted by and move on to the next trending scandal.

So...what's the problem? You sound like you believe it's a bad thing that fickle people are jumping from one public shaming to the next.

 

[Rhombus]

I think the poster is replying sarcastically to another poster who doesn't appear to care if anything bad happens to the dentist, his business, his coworkers, or even his family.

As for the lion, I'm sad about the lion. The dentist shouldn't have killed the lion. But he shouldn't have a lynch mob after him either. And, as sad as I am about the lion, I'm more heartbroken & outraged over the atrocities that happen to humans every day.

Yep, the poster is responding to what I wrote. The formatting of the reply might make it difficult to determine this.

True, I don't care if anything bad happens to the dentist, his business, his coworkers, or even his family. I'm not calling for his head; I'm not wishing physical harm to any of the people mentioned. But, yes, if something does happen to them, I'm not going to cry or lose sleep over it.

 

[Art 1]

I think the poster is replying sarcastically to another poster who doesn't appear to care if anything bad happens to the dentist, his business, his coworkers, or even his family.

As for the lion, I'm sad about the lion. The dentist shouldn't have killed the lion. But he shouldn't have a lynch mob after him either. And, as sad as I am about the lion, I'm more heartbroken & outraged over the atrocities that happen to humans every day.

I agree. As bad as killing the lion is, it's no where even near as bad as pulling a baby out of it's mother to sell it's body parts. But you won't hear much about that, especially on the dis. For some reason liberals are not outraged by this practice and I don't know why that it.

 

[Adelle Dazeem]

I agree. As bad as killing the lion is, it's no where even near as bad as pulling a baby out of it's mother to sell it's body parts. But you won't hear much about that, especially on the dis. For some reason liberals are not outraged by this practice and I don't know why that it.

*yawn*