Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[MaryAnnDVC]

ETA link: http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/0406/23069328.pdf

Damn, can't pull myself away from those letters. This is it for now! Start reading at page 51...seems to be the downfall of her relationship with her family, right around the time of the memorial service, Feb '09. I can't tell how much of it is Cindy, or how much Baez is manipulating things. With Baez as a "go between" it's pretty suspicious.

And on page 58 "Baez told me the other night that he's sorry I never met a man deserving of me, who would have taken care of Caylee and I, as we should have been. I cried. I told him "someday" and he quickly corrected. Actually "maybe someday" was my answer and he guaranteed me that it would happen someday soon. He's a great friend. And in many ways looks out for me like a father. I appreciate my new-found friends and family, even if my real family is a bunch of jerks."

 

[Kurby]

whats the link to that letter?

 

[momrek06]

whats the link to that letter?

Yes, MaryAnn is it in post 1?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Baez was told he did not enough qualifications that is why Mason was brouhgt on the defense team. My question about is if he states that he was an ineffective attorney, I dont know if that would work since Mason was also questioning people on the witness stand. So wouldnt they both have to claim be an ineffective attorney? Or to claim that wouldnt he have had to do the questioning all on his own? Because Dorothy Sims was also questioning, so there were enough effective attorneys doing the job as well.

I don't think Baez would ask for a mistrial or appeal based on ineffective counsel, would he?? I'm not sure how the ineffective counsel would come in. A NEW lawyer stepping in?

Here's an article about Cheney Mason joining the team...to help Baez:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...ny-cheney-mason-wanted-to-help-jose-baez.html

Love some of the comments too, including this one:
"Well how ignoble of Mumbles wanting to help out Stumbles. An old goat leading a ******* by his tail under the circus lights."

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

whats the link to that letter?

Duh!

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/0406/23069328.pdf

 

[Kurby]

oh those ones - i was going cross eyed and stopped reading them.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Page 13649--Talks about possible bio-dads of Caylees--Mentions "her dad" Erik,,then Jesse who she had sex with in January 05,,then Felix from Kentucky who she did it with in November 04(If she was being honest then my money's on Felix given Caylees birthday being in August.

Nov '04 is Erik. Her crazy handwriting does make it kind of look like "Felix" but it's Erik.

NOW I'm going to go catch up with RL. (DH is in Boston at DD's new apartment assembling furniture, hence my blowing today off. UGH! Was not my plan!)

 

[crz4mm2]

Who is she writing too about sharing the RV?
I can't keep reading either. Too much curly writing and crossed out things and I just don't like her so can't keep going.

 

[pooh'smate]

I can't link anything because I am on my iPod but Casey had to sign a waiver saying that she knew Baez was not death penalty certified. That is why Mason is there. Since she signed the waver she can't use the fact that Baez doesn't know what he is doing to get advantage down the road.

 

[Nancy]

I'm watching Geraldo right now, and I'm trying to figure out why he is so pro defense. Last week he was saying that if Casey is found guilty, the verdict will be overturned because she didn't receive her Miranda rights. Tonight he is saying the verdict would be overturned because of Judge Perry allowing the animation of Caylee's face morphing into a skull. He seems to have a problem with most every peice of evidence the prosecution has introduced. And he has gotten kind of nasty with every guest who disagrees with his opinions. I find it so unusual for him to be buying the defense's farfetched version of what happened. I can only think of one possible explanation, which is that Geraldo is siding with his Latino "brother" Jose Baez. I'm not a big Geraldo fan, but I usually think he is somewhat intelligent and reasonable. It's just so bizarre the way he is acting concerning the CA case.

I never did like him..always thought he was a bit "off his rocker"

Those pictures just broke my heart. I'm not sure why I'm so affected tonight by them, I've seen almost all of them numerous times.

There was one in their that made me gasp. It's the one where Caylee is sleeping holding her bear. I KNOW she is sleeping but it just gave me pause for minute.

Geraldo is a good friend of Jose :

Baez held news conferences — at his Kissimmee office, across the street from his office, outside the Anthony family's home in east Orange County, and, eventually, outside the Orange County Courthouse. He traveled to New York to make national TV appearances and was photographed boating with television host Geraldo Rivera.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-trial-baez-leaks-20110403,0,7199517.story

Well, that explains it..WTG Geraldo..sticking up for your friend. Idiots must stick together.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I can't link anything because I am on my iPod but Casey had to sign a waiver saying that she knew Baez was not death penalty certified. That is why Mason is there. Since she signed the waver she can't use the fact that Baez doesn't know what he is doing to get advantage down the road.

Interesting. Did she sign it, or did Mason just step in?

This video was uploaded two years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGY9u1Qv0Dw

 

[denisem]

FYI: Websleuths Radio

"World famous body language expert Dr. Lillian Glass will be our guest for the full hour and then some. Join us this Sunday (6-12)8 PM EST/5 PM PT as Dr. Glass offers insight into Jose Baez and what he is going through, Casey Anthony, is she a sociopath? Cindy and George Anthony and what their body languges is saying. Dr. Glass will take your calls."

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2011/06/13/websleuths-radio-and-the-casey-anthony-murder-trial

Just a reminder - I'll be listening.

ETA - Just checked her website & she has blogs about the case:

http://www.drlillianglass.com/

 

[Wadecool]

Is anyone else going through withdrawals from not having the trial on today?

 

[crz4mm2]

Is anyone else going through withdrawals from not having the trial on today?

Yes, but I've had the Grandbaby since yest so would not have been able to concentrate on it anyway. Glad I am off tomorrow Know what I will be doing!

 

[mellvswdw1]

Ok is it just me, or does anyone else out there think that she was setting up the sexual abuse story way back in 09? If you go to the Jailhouse letters link that was shared a little bit ago and go to page 13592:

Casey writes she understands what it is like to be mentally, emotionally, and sexually abused. She talks about Lee and him touching her when she was 15. She claims she told her mother. Then she talks about the vivid dreams of her father and she is "confused". In the next breath she is talking about Zanny.

My thoughts are(as a childhood sexual abuse survivor) is that she may be a victim of sexual abuse, but may be putting her father there because she cannot, or does not want to remember who touched her. I know this due to someone very close to me who thought it was her father for a long time and with intense therapy realized it was not him, but someone else. Just a thought.

I am in no way, shape, or form a Casey fan. In fact a big part of me thinks she was never abused, rather a sociopath, who for a long time has proven that she is incapable of feeling anything but narsistic thoughts.

I have always said that you cannot change what happened to you as a child, but you cannot rely on using that as a crutch. What you choose to do as an adult, are your decisions, and yours alone. Does it explain some behaviors, maybe. However, if you choose to do, or say things that hurt others, you are an adult and have to face those choices. She has consistantly proven that she is not capable of that, and her parents coddled her as well.

Just my very humble opinion.

 

[sorcerormickey]

Is anyone else going through withdrawals from not having the trial on today?

Yes! It is too hot to play outside so I am bored out of my mind.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Just a reminder - I'll be listening.

ETA - Just checked her website & she has blogs about the case:

http://www.drlillianglass.com/

Is she respected? I looked at her website, and I hate to say this, but I don't like her picture. How judgmental is that? BUT, I also didn't like what she had to say...maybe because I don't know that much about the topic of body language so I feel like she's reading into things (annoys me about NG too). But maybe it is just my ignorance.

Is anyone else going through withdrawals from not having the trial on today?

Nope, not me. I was looking forward to a "day off" (and here I am!) and I feel like I'm going back to "work" tomorrow watching this! I'll be glad when it's over, and at the same time, I hope it's because the verdict I believe is correct is rendered.

Yes, but I've had the Grandbaby since yest

Thursday I have to step away from the trial and discussion for a while to go to a Dr appt with DD...may find out the baby's gender! (Kind of...I repeat KIND OF...feel bad for the dad, who has to work that day, which is why *I* get to go.)

Ok is it just me, or does anyone else out there think that she was setting up the sexual abuse story way back in 09? If you go to the Jailhouse letters link that was shared a little bit ago and go to page 13592:

Casey writes she understands what it is like to be mentally, emotionally, and sexually abused. She talks about Lee and him touching her when she was 15. She claims she told her mother. Then she talks about the vivid dreams of her father and she is "confused". In the next breath she is talking about Zanny.

My thoughts are(as a childhood sexual abuse survivor) is that she may be a victim of sexual abuse, but may be putting her father there because she cannot, or does not want to remember who touched her. I know this due to someone very close to me who thought it was her father for a long time and with intense therapy realized it was not him, but someone else. Just a thought.

I am in no way, shape, or form a Casey fan. In fact a big part of me thinks she was never abused, rather a sociopath, who for a long time has proven that she is incapable of feeling anything but narsistic thoughts.

I have always said that you cannot change what happened to you as a child, but you cannot rely on using that as a crutch. What you choose to do as an adult, are your decisions, and yours alone. Does it explain some behaviors, maybe. However, if you choose to do, or say things that hurt others, you are an adult and have to face those choices. She has consistantly proven that she is not capable of that, and her parents coddled her as well.

Just my very humble opinion.

And a good opinion it is.

I think that letter right there is Baez's whole basis for the defense. What bothers me is that she doesn't seem to remember what happened, but I suspect Baez "helped" or got her an overzealous therapist who did. I posted before, and then deleted, about my sister and her therapist, and just to keep it short and to the point...he took snippets of what she said and spun the story of her life to her, based on "dreams" and possible scenarios, and she put them out there as "fact." Hurt a lot of people in the process.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Yes! It is too hot to play outside so I am bored out of my mind.

It's COLD here! Well, cool and breezy anyway. About 60 degrees.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

In the letters to her inmate friend, she talks about all the wonderful things she's going to do when she gets out...the clothes she's going to buy, the movies she's going to watch, the restaurants she'll go to and the food that she's going to eat, and her "makeover"...new hair color, colored contact lenses, name change.

Have to stop reading them...things to do today!

Who is she writing too about sharing the RV?
I can't keep reading either. Too much curly writing and crossed out things and I just don't like her so can't keep going.

BLAH! Just got finished reading them.

To save you all lots of aggravation the letters are only in sections 1 and 2. 3, 4, and 5 are all repeats of 1 and 2.

Section 2 didn't have as many highlights as my post at 4am did. The only thing from 2 was on page 129 (page 29 in that set of 100) where she says Jose gives her stuff to read about her case so she can teach him what it means!! LOL! If that wasn't a sign then Lord knows what was!

 

[Robinrs]

I am so sorry, I empathize with you I lost my daughter in 05. This is a very emotional issue.

This is a club NO ONE wants to join.