Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[ilovepete]

Ok I made it thru the first set of letters and you weren't kidding about them making your eyes cross!

Some items I picked out:

Page 13591--She talks about talking to Caylee everyday as she does daddy--Who's daddy?

Page 13621--Long joke about dead decomposing monkeys and what they tried to do to get rid of the bodies!!

Page 13629--Talks about writing books

Page 13631--Tells her pen pal to read II Chronicles 20:12--Said it gave her chills and she asks if it's a sign--Maybe talking about the rapture??

Page 13649--Talks about possible bio-dads of Caylees--Mentions "her dad" Erik,,then Jesse who she had sex with in January 05,,then Felix from Kentucky who she did it with in November 04(If she was being honest then my money's on Felix given Caylees birthday being in August.


And WTH is up with the "sneezes"---She's convinced they're talking to her!

I did notice when she started talking about the "abuse" that her writing started slanting to the left--Before and after it was straight up and down.


Going to bed now--I'll tackle the others tomorrow.

I read them, too and I got that "Daddy" was God. The sneezing is INSANE!! Honestly those letters made her seem more like a person to me... but a crazy person.

 

[ilovepete]

Does anyone know if Casey tried to pull off a "my kid was kidnapped" scenario with the police?

Yes, until recently.

 

[ilovepete]

Does anyone know if the jury is present when JB has asked for a mistrial? How many times has he asked for one? To me, the only reason one would want a mistrial is if they don't have the truth on their side and they feel the best they can do is a hung jury or mistrial. I would think that sends a bad message to the jury - so that's why I wonder if they are present? (I'm thinking they are)

No, they weren't. He's asked 4-5 times now?

 

[ilovepete]

I have a confession...there were times when my kids slept in their clothes. If we were so busy, or out, or just a very tired night, if all I could do was to get them to brush their teeth, then changing them out of their clothes...esp when they were pre-school age or it was summer vacation...wasn't a big priority. And we never did get a very good account from Jose in his opening statement of when this actually happened.

I also do believe that some of what Cindy and George said early on was to help cover for Casey, never imagining they'd be where they are today.

Note to self: Never run to Target in crappy clothes and no makeup thinking chances are I won't see anyone I know, because I might end up on national TV anyway.

So it's a cold and rainy night, DH is in the man cave smoking cigars and listening to Frank (Sinatra) with the dog, and I've been surfing the Internet about...oh, I don't know...THIS CASE, and found this...letters TO Casey Anthony in jail, from her family.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/062510anthony-jail-letters1/indexGallery.htm

So many loving and heartbreaking letters, esp from George. And then the last one, dtd March 25, 2010, in light of what we know now...:

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photo...ers1/1/lg/Pages_from_14775-15779_Page_129.htm

Wow poor George.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Funny article about Jose Baez:
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/06/lawyer-of-the-day-jose-baez/

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Funny article about Jose Baez:
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/06/lawyer-of-the-day-jose-baez/

Great article! Just read it this morning. I'm going to plop it in the first post along with the other "Jose is an idiot" articles.

Baez is a sleazy cocky creep who saw this as an opportunity for himself, period.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Geraldo is a good friend of Jose :

Baez held news conferences — at his Kissimmee office, across the street from his office, outside the Anthony family's home in east Orange County, and, eventually, outside the Orange County Courthouse. He traveled to New York to make national TV appearances and was photographed boating with television host Geraldo Rivera.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-trial-baez-leaks-20110403,0,7199517.story

Friend or pundit journalist pretending to be friend so that he can scoop the first interview post-trial?

I'm going to go with Geraldo trying to CASH IN on poor little Caylee just as Baez is doing.


Does anyone know how long defense expects to take. It seems that there has been no change (that I have heard) for the prosecution resting their case around the 17th of June.

Part of me wonders if Baez will go for a dramatic stretch to try and match, but I don't think he could do that without being in contempt. Their evidence is few and far between, right?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Great article! Just read it this morning. I'm going to plop it in the first post along with the other "Jose is an idiot" articles.

Baez is a sleazy cocky creep who saw this as an opportunity for himself, period.

I do declare--you mean Baez heard about poor little Casey on the news and put 2 and 2 together?

Surprise, surprise.

 

[ilovepete]

According to the article, or a link off it, the lead defense atty must meet certain requirements for a death penalty case. These are the requirements. Think he qualifies? If not, she may have an easy out for a mis-trial. One would assume these things would be checked on and he'd have to qualify for this trial to even begin.

(f) Lead Counsel. Lead trial counsel assignments should be given to attorneys who:
(1) are members of the bar admitted to practice in the jurisdiction or admitted to practice pro hac vice; and
(2) are experienced and active trial practitioners with at least five years of litigation experience in the field of criminal law; and
(3) have prior experience as lead counsel in no fewer than nine state or federal jury trials of serious and complex cases which were tried to completion, as well as prior experience as lead defense counsel or co-counsel in at least two state or federal cases tried to completion in which the death penalty was sought. In addition, of the nine jury trials which were tried to completion, the attorney should have been lead counsel in at least three cases in which the charge was murder; or alternatively, of the nine jury trials, at least one was a murder trial and an additional five were felony jury trials; and
(4) are familiar with the practice and procedure of the criminal courts of the jurisdiction; and
(5) are familiar with and experienced in the utilization of expert witnesses and evidence, including but not limited to psychiatric and forensic evidence; and
(6) have demonstrated the necessary proficiency and commitment which exemplify the quality of representation appropriate to capital cases, including but not limited to the investigation and presentation of evidence in mitigation of the death penalty; and
(7) have attended within the last two years a continuing legal education program of at least twelve hours' duration devoted specifically to the defense of capital cases.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

According to the article, or a link off it, the lead defense atty must meet certain requirements for a death penalty case. These are the requirements. Think he qualifies? If not, she may have an easy out for a mis-trial. One would assume these things would be checked on and he'd have to qualify for this trial to even begin.

(f) Lead Counsel. Lead trial counsel assignments should be given to attorneys who:
(1) are members of the bar admitted to practice in the jurisdiction or admitted to practice pro hac vice; and
(2) are experienced and active trial practitioners with at least five years of litigation experience in the field of criminal law; and
(3) have prior experience as lead counsel in no fewer than nine state or federal jury trials of serious and complex cases which were tried to completion, as well as prior experience as lead defense counsel or co-counsel in at least two state or federal cases tried to completion in which the death penalty was sought. In addition, of the nine jury trials which were tried to completion, the attorney should have been lead counsel in at least three cases in which the charge was murder; or alternatively, of the nine jury trials, at least one was a murder trial and an additional five were felony jury trials; and
(4) are familiar with the practice and procedure of the criminal courts of the jurisdiction; and
(5) are familiar with and experienced in the utilization of expert witnesses and evidence, including but not limited to psychiatric and forensic evidence; and
(6) have demonstrated the necessary proficiency and commitment which exemplify the quality of representation appropriate to capital cases, including but not limited to the investigation and presentation of evidence in mitigation of the death penalty; and
(7) have attended within the last two years a continuing legal education program of at least twelve hours' duration devoted specifically to the defense of capital cases.

May be an issue of "should" vs "must". I would imagine if it was "must" have those qualifications, then they'd be approved or whatever beforehand, no? Because technically, couldn't she defend herself? (Oh, wouldn't that be a trip! She could question non-existent witnesses.) As far as them overturning a conviction based on incompetent counsel (or whatever it's called), I think they'd actually have to show that the outcome would have been different.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Yep I think it was the same brand, etc. This is JMO, but George then using that same duct tape on posters shows to me that he probably knew nothing about it being used on Caylee - mainly because I don't believe as a former cop he would use anything incriminating a second time. That tape would have been long gone, not placed back in the garage for the next household repair, KWIM?

I absolutely agree.

Geraldo has always made me want to throw up in my mouth, so double hurl factor with him and JB.

LOL and ditto!

My mind keeps thinking about Caylee.and being all alone.

When we had our first dog to put to sleep, in the "planning" process (he was in tough shape for a while) I had two huge concerns...1) that he wouldn't die alone (DH was there with him) and 2) that his body wouldn't just be discarded (he was cremated and is in a lovely wooden box, "suitable for display" DH told me after he picked it up). And this is for a dog. I can't believe GEORGE would ever allow his precious grandchild to be discarded.

 

[LisaR]

Casey Anthony's personal photos:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10004686.html?tag=galleryBottomArea;galleryMostPop

Looking at those pictures, I have to wonder where it all went wrong. And was it really worth it for ya Casey?

Wow! Where did Casey go wrong? She really did seem like she loved her little girl. My theory all along has been that Casey did this all to spite Cindy due to their constant bickering. How do you kill the little girl you love so much just to get back at your mom? If she really loved that little girl, and those pictures sure make it seem like she did, how is she not just beside herself now? How can she not stand up in court and yell, "I did it" so there can be some peace in the family? Can't she think back to some of those pictures and happier times and realize that SHE did this? This isn't her mom or dads fault. She did this on her own to someone she seemed to love dearly.

Had a busy busy day with the kiddos and family and just finished catching up. You all have been busy here.


The only question I have about sleeping time is that she wasn't wearing pajamas. She was wearing a tshirt and shorts, right?


Im not convinced that Cindy is telling the truth about this. Cindy is the only one who claims to have heard the Zanny 2 years ago. When the cops starting zeroing in on Casey and Cindy was believing Casey, she is the one that "verified" Zanny. Cindy did a lot of "covering up" and well, downright lying for Casey back then. Could it be its the one lie she is still hanging on to ? I mean, no mother wants to see their daughter in jail for the rest of her life.




Yes, make sure you always look decent in public. There are cameras everywhere, especially at Target! You never know when your shopping excursion might make it on national TV!

This is the part I am questioning. The only person that I think has said Zanny existed before the police were originally called was Cindy. I know many people said she had a nanny but I don't think any of them ever testified to a name before. If I am wrong, please correct me because this point is really bugging me.

If Zanny was never mentioned until after Casey went to the same apartment that Zaneida visited, I am not sure the Zanny equals Xanex story holds much water. While Casey may have mentioned leaving Caylee with a nanny for the past 2 years, nobody verified that her name was Zanny except Cindy. I think Cindy was just trying save her daughter.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I think some of Casey's friends said that the nanny was Zanny, but I'm not sure.

As far as her loving Caylee...I don't think she ever loved her. I think that she has a disconnect and never truly bonded with her (or anyone else). It's all about Casey. I think Caylee was a toy for her and Casey had fun with her, but I'm not so sure she truly loved her. But I think she was jealous of the love between Cindy and Caylee. It sounds like Casey really wasn't much of a mother to Caylee, as far as taking care of her needs...sounds like that fell on Cindy and George.

Reading through some jailhouse letters that Casey wrote. Haven't gotten very far, but they are riveting. (I wish they were TYPED!) She barely mentions Caylee, but is planning to get an RV with her jailhouse friend? And ADOPT?!?! She also mentions The Rapture and kids going missing..."such a terrifying thought!" Yikes.

 

[T*Bird]

Geraldo is a good friend of Jose :

Baez held news conferences — at his Kissimmee office, across the street from his office, outside the Anthony family's home in east Orange County, and, eventually, outside the Orange County Courthouse. He traveled to New York to make national TV appearances and was photographed boating with television host Geraldo Rivera.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-trial-baez-leaks-20110403,0,7199517.story

Wow, thank you! I knew there had to be something between them, whether it was a personal relationship or just a "brotherhood". The only people I have seen on TV not knocking JB are other defense attorneys. I'm not a big fan of GR (now I like him even less ), but I would think he is logical enough to see that the whole drowning/George involvement defense is ridiculous. BTW, there is a former detective, Rod Wheeler, who has been on some FOX shows lately, and he is awesome!

 

[T*Bird]

No, they weren't. He's asked 4-5 times now?

Thanks! I thought it would certainly not be a good move to ask in front of the jury, but I couldn't remember if they were present or not. It just speaks volumes to me that they want a mistrial that badly.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Page 13621--Long joke about dead decomposing monkeys and what they tried to do to get rid of the bodies!!

Well, that was a little freaky!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

In the letters to her inmate friend, she talks about all the wonderful things she's going to do when she gets out...the clothes she's going to buy, the movies she's going to watch, the restaurants she'll go to and the food that she's going to eat, and her "makeover"...new hair color, colored contact lenses, name change.

Have to stop reading them...things to do today!

 

[plutotek]

According to the article, or a link off it, the lead defense atty must meet certain requirements for a death penalty case. These are the requirements. Think he qualifies? If not, she may have an easy out for a mis-trial. One would assume these things would be checked on and he'd have to qualify for this trial to even begin.

(f) Lead Counsel. Lead trial counsel assignments should be given to attorneys who:
(1) are members of the bar admitted to practice in the jurisdiction or admitted to practice pro hac vice; and
(2) are experienced and active trial practitioners with at least five years of litigation experience in the field of criminal law; and
(3) have prior experience as lead counsel in no fewer than nine state or federal jury trials of serious and complex cases which were tried to completion, as well as prior experience as lead defense counsel or co-counsel in at least two state or federal cases tried to completion in which the death penalty was sought. In addition, of the nine jury trials which were tried to completion, the attorney should have been lead counsel in at least three cases in which the charge was murder; or alternatively, of the nine jury trials, at least one was a murder trial and an additional five were felony jury trials; and
(4) are familiar with the practice and procedure of the criminal courts of the jurisdiction; and
(5) are familiar with and experienced in the utilization of expert witnesses and evidence, including but not limited to psychiatric and forensic evidence; and
(6) have demonstrated the necessary proficiency and commitment which exemplify the quality of representation appropriate to capital cases, including but not limited to the investigation and presentation of evidence in mitigation of the death penalty; and
(7) have attended within the last two years a continuing legal education program of at least twelve hours' duration devoted specifically to the defense of capital cases.

If he wasn't admitted to the Bar until 2005, and took this case in 08, how does he have 5 years?

And if his resume is to be believed, it doesn't appear he's satisfied the other as well.

 

[CurlyGirl]

I am sure that Casey loved her little girl up until she became a "nuisance" and invaded her social life time and cramped her style. I think that Casey was ready to get back into the swing of party girl and Caylee simply got in the way of that. What to do when a child gets in the way of your having fun? Get rid of them. Ship them off with the grandparents. When the grandparents protest that all they do is babysit so you can have fun, you get sitters. But, that's not always convenient as sometimes you can't always find a sitter. So ... what other option is there? Drug the kid so she sleeps through everything? Sure .. that works if you're partying at a friend's house but what happens when you want to go to a bar? You can't leave the kid at home alone in case she wakes up and leaves the house and the neighbors discover her wandering around and you not at home. What's left? Adoption? How when you know that the grandparents would've never allowed her to put Caylee up for adoption and wouldn't take on that responsibility themselves (want to bet they told Casey that Caylee's her responsibility and she needs to step up?). So, what's left? Taking an alternate route to permanently set yourself free (how ironic) and murdering your kid, apparently.

 

[usnuzuloose]

May be an issue of "should" vs "must". I would imagine if it was "must" have those qualifications, then they'd be approved or whatever beforehand, no? Because technically, couldn't she defend herself? (Oh, wouldn't that be a trip! She could question non-existent witnesses.) As far as them overturning a conviction based on incompetent counsel (or whatever it's called), I think they'd actually have to show that the outcome would have been different.

Baez was told he did not enough qualifications that is why Mason was brouhgt on the defense team. My question about is if he states that he was an ineffective attorney, I dont know if that would work since Mason was also questioning people on the witness stand. So wouldnt they both have to claim be an ineffective attorney? Or to claim that wouldnt he have had to do the questioning all on his own? Because Dorothy Sims was also questioning, so there were enough effective attorneys doing the job as well.