Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[Mosoh]

I don't think CM should be ashamed. As someone who followed this case for 3 years (on another forum, mind you), I believe the media is very much at fault for what happened today. Certainly he rubbed it in their face, but it was people like Nancy Grace who disqualified many potential jurors because of all of the discovery evidence they discussed and the "trying" of the case before the case was actually being tried.

Maybe the media deserved to have CM throw things in their face, because maybe they'll realize how much they influenced this case. And, the media does not stop with just the talking heads who were going on daily about this case, it goes to the people writing shows like CSI. It's shows like these that misrepresent the process, and put a tougher burden on the State to create the "Aha!" moment in order to convict.

The media had no influence in this case the jury was sequestered and they all claimed to know little about it. One even was let on saying he thought she was probably guilty.

It's just as insulting pretending the media swayed those who see her as guilty as it was the way JB lied in in OS.

 

[SweetJoy]

I wasn't around for the first Casey Anthony Murder Trial threads. I saw no need to look for those threads. The trial was in progress, and I assumed that none of you Disers knew what info any witness was going to offer. I came over to discuss the verdict. I should have known better.

Only one person made a comment that would be construed as 'making fun' of. The rest of us newbies are only discussing and offering a dissenting opinion. Some call that arguing. Glad I am not the only newbie here to feel the chill.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I don't care what side you're on. Prosecution/Defense ... just as long as you can back up what you say. And, if you're asked to elaborate or give "proof", then respond and just don't throw junk out there and not defend what you've written.

Why? It worked for Baez, he just threw crap out there.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm confused. Did anyone see the alternate jury speaking on tv?? I read somewhere that his mind was made up after opening statements and just wondering if thats true as i thought opening statements were not facts in the case and were not to be considered............

I need to quit reading as the more i do the more upset i get..........

He called in to Vinny HLN this afternoon.

I did not listen to his whole statement--but from what little I listened to, I would presume the open set it up for them, but to this specific juror, the way George behaved provided his reasonable doubt.

I could not listen to it all--but it satisfied for me (and I don't mean that I agree) as to how they could doubt. I find it disturbing to ignore all of the evidence and believe the liar.

It is what it is, though.

 

[LisaR]

How could you miss them? They were always on page one, usually in the top 5 threads! Totally unavoidable!!!! lol! (I'm not being mean when I say this ... it's just that the CA threads were always at the top every time I would log in!)

Have you not learned anything? Roy Kronk moved the posts on a daily basis making it impossible for a few Dis'ers to follow along!

 

[JimFitz]

Well perhaps the fact that her fiance was murdered shortly before they were to get married that she became a prosecutor and now does this on tv...she tries to take up for voiceless victims....does she go over the top? Sure she does...but to call her a moron?

That's out of line, if you ask me.

Not out of line at all. She is a blowhard who spouts off whatever she thinks. She is fair game regardless of what happened to her fiance. She loves to convict people before they have their day in court. I hope her show fails and she is thrown off the air.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

5 threads did not get closed until 250 pages...

Let us not make this one get closed prematurely.

IMHO, Jeff Ashton (who was not the lead attorney on this case), did a fantastic job on this case.
In closing arguments, however, he made one major misstep when he said: We can only hope that the chloroform was applied before the duct tape...
This hit home and reminded the jury of the fact that the Prosecution was only guessing as to how Caylee died. If they are going to accuse Caycee of murder, then they need to know, or at least think they know, how that murder occurred. Don't remind the jury that you're only guessing, for goodness sake!

I agree.

Well, i am not shy about having gone to law school and having a "legal mind." However, I highly value common sense. There was more than enough evidence presented to this jury to warrant a first degree murder conviction. Plenty.

I have been concerned since jury selection, when I saw how many decent potential jurors were being excused and which were being kept. Frankly, some of the leftovers didn't look that promising to me. Lots of red flags.

How did we ever get a conviction in the days before DNA, videos, etc.? Sheesh!

Casey is dancing on Caylee's grave tonight.

All of your post, but esp the last line.

As a juror you have to absolute proof to put someone to death. That's a big responsibility. Judgement can't be based on emotion which is what people on this board have a tendency to do.

Actually, not absolute, and death wasn't an issue in the verdict phase.

But I love when people point out how emotional this case is. It's like the more emotional it is...you know, like a mother murdering and discarding her child...then there's this assumption that ANY idea someone might have about that person being GUILTY is ONLY driven by emotion.

Friends, let's use that ignore button and leave the happy-go-lucky pot-stirrers alone.

If they don't want to play nice, that's up to them.

I was thinking the same thing. I am worried the debates will get this thread closed. Please if you don't like someone else's opinion, ignore it or put them on ignore.

Keep it classy Cheney Mason.

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268924_1989324244995_999998016_32117573_7319525_n.jpg

Even if it is photoshopped, it's just so HIM.

That is NOT true.

Anyone on threads 1-5 that said anything other than "kill the *****" was sent away bloody. Trust me on that.

Oh please. If my sister had a computer, I'd swear you were her. I pointed out on Thread 5 where, on a previous thread, everyone was nice to you, even if they didn't agree. You seem quite sensitive. It's unfortunate.

Unsubstantied accounts say that he was struggling to get a job as Gerald, so when he changed his name he was hired....ask my DH he has said that since I have known him(8years). He could have been a juror today, but it would have been hung!

Sounds about right.

Honestly, common sense is lost these days. People can't/don't think, critical thinking skills are lost. This verdict is proof positive of what is happening in this country--the dumbing down of society. The natural love between a mother and child--none here--she murdered her child, Caylee cramped her style. I am beyond disgusted with it all.

Yup. And .

Which is a joke because before he joined the defense, he was one of those lawyers proclaiming Casey guilty on tv that he hates oh so much.

That's right. (Re: Mason)

The only people that matter are the 12 jurors, not legal experts or TV personalities.....fact remains she was found not guilty by a jury due to the fact there was no evidence proving she did it.

I think we all get that about the jury. We're discussing. On a discussion board.

Everyone is welcome to contribute. The key word is "contribute" not "make fun of everyone."

And again dnoyes, you were asked more than once on the other threads to "contribute" and you refused to answer any questions.

That's what *I* said.

At any rate, the PP was right. I lurked on the other threads, and any suggestion that Casey did anything other than outright murder her child was beaten down swiftly and forcefully.

Quite dramatic, but just not true. Prove it.

Just an FYI- one of the HLN reporters was in the restaurant during the defense celebration/ champagne toasting- she was on her phone on TV (no cameras) talking to the defense team and asked Baez where Casey will go if she is free on Thursday, he wouldn't elaborate but said it WOULD NOT be back to her parents home and was kind of laughing at the suggestion... That celebration was totally classless, a child is dead and they are toasting

Even if Casey wanted to go home, Baez and Co wouldn't allow it. They need to keep this "defense" going for a while. They're celebrating because the case had NOTHING to do about justice for a little girl...it had everything to do with WINNING, and they did. It's the challenge of taking a guilty person and getting them off.

 

[sss4911]

I followed the OJ trial, and the defense team was awesome and the prosecutors botched the presentation of some pretty serious evidence. I don't blame the jury for that verdict.

This defense team was unprepared most of the time and out-classed by a prosecution team that was on the ball. I think they did prove their case, and I expected a guilty verdict on one of the murder charges. I do blame the jury for this verdict.

The prosecution team was not fantastic, however, they had enough physical evidence and forensic evidence to support a conviction in that trial.

The jury just sided with the star athlete.

 

[JimFitz]

Serious question.....

Can Cindy be tried for perjury? Will the prosecution pursue this?

 

[Swalphin]

I feel the need to add something here........NANCY GRACE IS A MORON. thanks.....

Yes she is, I honestly do not think she cares one way or another. It is all about Nancy, I don't know how her husband, Mr. Nancy lives with her ego.

 

[Mosoh]

Someone please tell me that they're going to get Cindy on perjury charges now that there won't be any appeals.

I hope so.

I feel the need to add something here........NANCY GRACE IS A MORON. thanks.....

Tru dat!

Why? It worked for Baez, he just threw crap out there.

 

[walden]

To the first bolded part, it took me a while to figure it out, but yeah it's never a good idea to feed them.

Back on topic, I absolutely believe Casey will be let back into that house, if Cindy has anything to say about it. She rules that roost and George will either have to deal with it or move out.

Thanks for figuring the reference out! Feeding them is a bad idea. There is only one bridge-dweller here, IMO -- other people are just sharing their thoughts respectfully.

Back to topic. I truly hope Cindy does not welcome her back, but with the Anthony's anything is possible

The only people that matter are the 12 jurors, not legal experts or TV personalities.....fact remains she was found not guilty by a jury due to the fact there was no evidence proving she did it.

I respectfully disagree. This was an odd jury. I swear I'd have have hung it were I on it. Simply through these questions: Where was that child when she died? Who was responsible for her? The buck stops with the parent. I would sympathise with an accidental drowning, but . . . OMG the lying and hiding of the body!

How this blatant dishonesty passes is beyond me. Either you agree with the verdict and they know full well what happened. Or you disagree with the verdict and only their darling daughter holds the answer, are they just letting us know the most documented liar in trial history will simply carry on as usual and they will enable for eternity?

I think they *have* to respect the verdict. At least one of them perjured themselves to get it. I'd bet a lot that Lee and George know in their hearts -- thus the rejection of Casey's defence -- that Casey killed that child whether they sexually abused Casey or not (my gut says not). Cindy -- that woman is as delusional as Casey. No sympathy here.

Shouldn't say that people are 'coming out of the woodworks", and 'interesting indeed'. That doesn't say 'welcome' to me.

At any rate, the PP was right. I lurked on the other threads, and any suggestion that Casey did anything other than outright murder her child was beaten down swiftly and forcefully.

Again with respect. I don't think that is true for these threads. I did come in fairly late -- perhaps on thread 4. I consistently argued that I did not think that it was a cut and dried murder case although I thought Casey was guilty of something. I wasn't beaten up, nor did I see anyone else beaten up for much more pro-defense views than mine. DNoyes comes to mind. Treated respectfully or ignored.

Having said that -- I have been hung out to dry and bashed up by an in-group on another thread (mentioning no names) so I know how it feels. I just have not seen it in these threads myself.

 

[dandave]

How could you miss them? They were always on page one, usually in the top 5 threads! Totally unavoidable!!!! lol! (I'm not being mean when I say this ... it's just that the CA threads were always at the top every time I would log in!)

I never log in. I stay logged in, and I go directly to my last thread visited. As of the past few weeks, those are the Restaurant Boards. This is my first vist to the Community Board in years! I don't hang around The Dis, unless I'm planning a trip to WDW. Who knew, huh?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Have you not learned anything? Roy Kronk moved the posts on a daily basis making it impossible for for a few Dis'ers to follow along!

OMG!!! LMAO I so needed that! "The Kronk Theory of Stealing, Keeping and Replacing Posts"!

 

[ems_mom]

Posters are criticizing others for their opinions because they presume those posters have never been on a jury.

Well I have. Five times. All different cases from civil to criminal.

I did pay attention to the trial. (Once upon a time I was in law school but life took a turn.) You cannot rely on facts not presented at trial. But you are entirely within the law to evaluate that evidence based on your life experiences and common sense.

This verdict was inexplicable. I know they don't have to explain themselves. I was always asked, along with the other jurors, to explain my thought process by both losing and winning counsel. This is the only way to learn from their mistakes.

 

[brunette8706]

I've read everything about this trial. Even so, if you presented me with ALL the evidence now, I would still say the jury did the right thing. There was no proof. You need proof (beyond doubt..blah blah blah) if you want a conviction.

People may hate Casey or feel she acted horrendously, but that does not mean she murdered her child. I said earlier and I will say it again. Casey probably has something to do with this, but the state of Florida failed to prove that. You can't fault the jury for returning a not guilty verdict, I would have voted the same way.

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There was NO PROOF? Um her baby was missing for 31 days before being reported to the police? What do you call that? Child Abuse? Neglect? Endangement? She's out partying the whole night after she was reported to police to be missing. There was 84 searches on Cholyroform on her hard drive, there was stench of a body that was decomposing in her car, there was duct tape with a heart outlined (she has heart shape stamps in her home). Lastly, she didn't shed one tear! Oh, but wait there wasn't any proof! Get real!

 

[CurlyGirl]

Why? It worked for Baez, he just threw crap out there.

Nobody here is Baez though ...

 

[LisaR]

He called in to Vinny HLN this afternoon.

I did not listen to his whole statement--but from what little I listened to, I would presume the open set it up for them, but to this specific juror, the way George behaved provided his reasonable doubt.

I could not listen to it all--but it satisfied for me (and I don't mean that I agree) as to how they could doubt. I find it disturbing to ignore all of the evidence and believe the liar.

It is what it is, though.

I didn't listen to it either so I am just guessing here. It sounds like the jury was only interested in the prosecution proving the defense theory was wrong. They didn't care about all that other "stuff." If the defense had opened with, "Aliens came and abducted Caylee," the jurors would have wanted the prosecution to show them that that theory wasn't correct.

I know the opening statement by Baez made me sit up and listen. I did assume the prosecution would address it but when they didn't, it didn't matter to me because they chose to ignore the ridiculous and focus on the facts. That was convincing enough for me but I wasn't on the jury.

 

[CurlyGirl]

I never log in. I stay logged in, and I go directly to my last thread visited. As of the past few weeks, those are the Restaurant Boards. This is my first vist to the Community Board in years! I don't hang around The Dis, unless I'm planning a trip to WDW. Who knew, huh?

Whattaya mean you only come here when planning a WDW trip!?

Just a heads up for next time == Michael Jackson's cardiologist is on trial in Sept, so we'll probably have a thread on that .... (or six or 10)!

 

[JaneBanks]

Nobody here is Baez though ...

I thank my lucky stars everyday for that, and for not being related to him or Casey or anyway associated with the members of the defense team or the Anthony family.