Anxiety

Good insights! I know she is missing her boyfriend however she doesn't rely on him - she calls the shots in the relationship for the most part :tongue:there is a reason this is happening but I'm not sure it is because her boyfriend is gone. He is gone like this every year. She is very strong and makes decisions on her own without the need of help from anyone - that's for sure. In fact, she keeps toying with the thought of wanting to be a police officer. She's gone on several "ride a long" in our community. So she is definitely a tough nut!!

And you may never find the reason or catalyst for it. I don't think we have for my daughter. This is a girl who was heavily involved in drama and did stage performances when she was younger. Not even any sort of anxiety there. It's baffling. It could be physiological and nothing psychological at all. I think anxiety is a really, really tough nut to crack and it's so frustrating. I could start a whole different thread on my own weird issue that I have and I have NO idea why or where it came from or what to do about it. I have some thoughts, but really it's baffling.
 
I have been unsuccessful in finding a PCP that takes me seriously. Honestly, the *one* guy I can go to in my area is very nice but he has botched a few things, most recently the cardiac profile I wanted drawn. One time I asked my GYN to draw a Vitamin D test and he ordered the wrong Vitamin D test (yes, there is one that is not appropriate to use). Many years ago, my PCP refused to draw a ferritin when I was borderline anemic and I had to ask my endocrinologist to do it. It's just ridiculous. I'm tired of trying to convince these people to do something. For instance, right now I have a suspicion that I could have a minor nutritional deficiency. I may not, but I have some symptoms. When I brought it up at my last visit, my PCP rolled his eyes and said that I looked great. Well, I'd really like to have a nutritional panel done and I may just do it on my own. I know the answer is to "find a better doctor" but that's easier said than done where I am. If could have found one, I'd have been there already.
No, I get it. I have had similar frustrations, as well, with myself and my family members, too. I'm sure many of us have. But still, random numbers often don't mean much when there are so many other factors to consider with any given medical issue. That's all I meant. I'm not sure finding a new doctor is the answer, necessarily, either. I do think you have to have one whose knowledge you respect, and ultimately put your trust in them that they know what they're doing. It doesn't mean you can't have conversations with them, or arm yourself with information, or even go to someone else if you feel that your concerns aren't being heard, but I don't think it's prudent to have doctors order any old test just because a patient wants it, either, if you know what I mean. My doctor and I butt heads sometimes, and I've thought sometimes about going to someone else, and I may at some point, idk, but right now I feel that the medical care provided is good, our needs have ultimately all been met, and I do trust the knowledge there, so I am comfortable right now staying where I am.

I did have to have labs drawn once that I was to pay oop for. (It was part of a legal requirement that I won't get into.) Anyway, I tried really hard to actually pay for them but it became such a cluster that I was never able to obtain an actual bill for them, despite all my efforts.
 
"Those drugs" can also be really helpful. You have to find the right kind and dosage for you! I used to be afraid of taking medication for my anxiety, so I did everything I could to treat it on my own - supplements, therapy, exercise, meditation, etc. But I finally started Lexapro and can't believe I waited so long! I don't have any side effects. I'd say my medication and regular exercise are the two things that help me the most.

OP some advice: As you're looking for options for your daughter, remember that the first doctor/therapist she talks to may not be the right one. It really helps to find someone you click with and who makes it easy to be open and honest. Don't be afraid to try a couple of therapists if she's not comfortable after a few visits.

If those work for you great! :thumbsup2 My own experience and others in my personal life have not been. Bad enough to tell others if there is way to avoid them then please do so. My GP prescribed them very easily and the effects were horrid and that was just a couple of doses. Tried a few different ones. Fortunately I was able to find a doc that set me with a different route to take. If that works for you that's great but in my opinion if there is way to avoid them that's better.
 
I have been unsuccessful in finding a PCP that takes me seriously. Honestly, the *one* guy I can go to in my area is very nice but he has botched a few things, most recently the cardiac profile I wanted drawn. One time I asked my GYN to draw a Vitamin D test and he ordered the wrong Vitamin D test (yes, there is one that is not appropriate to use). Many years ago, my PCP refused to draw a ferritin when I was borderline anemic and I had to ask my endocrinologist to do it. It's just ridiculous. I'm tired of trying to convince these people to do something. For instance, right now I have a suspicion that I could have a minor nutritional deficiency. I may not, but I have some symptoms. When I brought it up at my last visit, my PCP rolled his eyes and said that I looked great. Well, I'd really like to have a nutritional panel done and I may just do it on my own. I know the answer is to "find a better doctor" but that's easier said than done where I am. If could have found one, I'd have been there already.
I could've written this myself. The details would be different but the sentiment the same. I'm also in the DMV, worked in NoVa for years -- if you ever stumble across a PCP with a basic degree of competency who addresses your concerns instead of dismissing them, who cares enough to look for the actual cause instead of just treating the symptoms, please let me know.

Regarding your earlier question to me, yes, my husband used a third party company called Walk In Lab to order diagnostics through Quest.
 

I'm one who will avoid medication as much as I can, but I have to say just knowing I have (very low dose) Xanax available if a panic attack starts is such a comfort. Knowing I can offset an attack if it happens lessens my anxiety in general, and I haven't had to take one in a very long time. So just having the med on hand, not even taking it, has reduced my attacks.
 
I'm one who will avoid medication as much as I can, but I have to say just knowing I have (very low dose) Xanax available if a panic attack starts is such a comfort. Knowing I can offset an attack if it happens lessens my anxiety in general, and I haven't had to take one in a very long time. So just having the med on hand, not even taking it, has reduced my attacks.
Oh, it must be so nice to be a normal, logical thinking person. :laughing: I was hoping just having the Xanax in the house would have the same affect on me, that's why I agreed to fill the prescription even though I wasn't keen on taking the pills, but it did just the opposite. Everytime I considered using it, my anxiety would spike even higher as I started to worry about how it would affect me, what if I had a bad reaction, what if it became a crutch? :rotfl:(God, I was such a mess back then before my hormones got under control.) In the end, those now-expired pills are still sitting untouched in a medicine cabinet somewhere.
 
You're such a good mom for trying to help her. Anxiety is a weird thing. I developed it during a very bad marriage. I deal with it now by working with a therapist and learning triggers (clutter really bothers me if I'm around it for a long time, its a strange, just low level thing, but it's also incredibly easy to just not have a ton of crap everywhere). Sometimes I know I just need to "call it." Holidays are the worst for me. People have crap all over their houses, and it's so much obligation; I really hate the whole season, so sometimes, I just don't. Your daughter's triggers could be anything but figuring them out will definitely help her! Good luck! It can get better.

Clutter really bothers me too as do family get-togethers for various events. I handle them, but they exhaust me.

This was me the first panic attack I had. I get them at night sometimes, when I'm asleep and the first time I woke myself up having one was so scary even though I knew by that point, what it was.

I hate the panic attacks that happen while I'm sleeping, & I wake up w/ my heart racing & feeling like it's going to pound out of my chest!

I'm also going to throw this out there, too. My DD20 just wrote a paper on research-based negative effects of social media on college age people. It was super interesting. She talked about how depression and anxiety rates in college age people are five times higher than they were in same age people during the depression era. The gist of it was this: social media highlights social status and popularity, and those who feel they don't measure up can feel subordinated and envious of others, which can lead to depression and anxiety; envy being the key to these feelings. Looking at others' postings and photos makes it seem like everyone else is out having a good time and someone only looking is not. Whereas posting photos themselves was found not to be associated with feelings of envy, because it gives them the sense that their lives are fun, too. Heavy social media use and having a high number of followers was also cited as causing more symptoms. Her conclusion was that "People need to realize that people post about the best parts of their lives and not the bad or negative parts, which can make others feel their lives aren't as good". I think it's important information for our young people today to realize, as their lives are consumed by social media. Things some of us can't imagine, like losing followers, or having a snap left open, can send some of these people into a complete tailspin. I think it's healthy for them to perhaps learn to put down their phones and to do things without them. All things to consider. (And OP I think it's also healthy for your DD to learn how to be strong and content with herself even if her boyfriend isn't around! That might be something she can talk to the therapist about.)

I think there is a lot of truth in this.

Every now & then, I find I have to essentially walk away from all social media for a while. The news stories & links, the different postings from FB friends, the events... it all combines to make me feel stressed & anxious. Even the birthday greetings - I start to worry that, while I wished one FB friend a "happy birthday," I missed wishing someone else a "happy birthday" & what if that person saw my "happy birthday" to the other person & is now wondering why I didn't wish him/her a "happy birthday"? And have I "liked" too many posts? Not enough posts? Is my not posting anything about the flag kneeling going to offend my military BIL who is posting all kinds of stuff? But, if I do post something, will that offend my friends who are in support of the NFL players?

It's maddening. And I feel sure a lot of people do NOT put this much thought & angst in FB & just go about their lives happily. But I overthink EVERYTHING, & Facebook just becomes another outlet for my overthinking.... so, every so often, I just have to walk away.

That is what came out at me in the OP. She's been in a relationship since she was 15 and has been having anxiety since he's been gone, even asking you questions about what she should do about going to work if her legs were weak, etc. Not criticizing, just saying it's what came out at me. (You asked!) I don't know what their relationship is like, but you've also said you are her "safety". I can appreciate that because my DD and I are very close, too. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that the timing of these episodes may not be just coincidental. If she's used to depending on her boyfriend (even if she doesn't realize it), or you, then she may be becoming a little anxious when faced with making decisions on her own. No? Maybe? Just someting to think about and perhaps work on with the therapist.

Earlier in this thread, I said my DH is my "safe space". I can't explain how. It's not that I can't make decisions on my own. It's not that, when he's not here, I can't function on my own. I'm reasonably intelligent. I can do things on my own.

But, in some intangible, indescribable way, he grounds me.

Family get-togethers make me anxious, but I've found if he's w/ me, I can handle them much better. If he is working on the day some kind of family get-together is scheduled & the kids & I go alone, I'm much more anxious.

A few years ago, we were gathering for my mom's birthday w/ my parents & my sister & her family, & I couldn't explain it, but I felt so panicky & anxious. I just didn't want to go. At all. And this was MY family - not even DH's. In the past, I would have called my mom & my sister both my best friends. But, had DH not been there, I think I would have had a serious anxiety attack right there in the restaurant. Later, I found out that my sister & her husband were in the middle of a pretty serious marriage crisis. And I don't know if I sensed it or what, but my anxiety was seriously ramped up.

And, while I used to be a lot closer emotionally to my mom & my sister, I think, the longer I've been w/ DH, the stronger my emotional connection to DH has become while I've emotionally drifted away from my mom & sister.

They are no longer "my persons" - DH is my person.

Anyway, OP, I think it's good that you are acknowledging your DD"s anxiety & trying to find ways to help.

I was an anxious, nervous, shy little girl. The night before family get-togethers, I would throw up. When all the family (grandparents, aunts & uncles, cousins) were eating together, I had to eat separately in a room by myself because I was so nervous.

But no one ever told me I was okay. No one ever acknowledged my anxiety. I basically had to muddle through & learn ways to cope on my own - or not cope but still had to do whatever or go wherever.

A few months ago, one of my FB friends posted about her little girl who also has anxiety & finding her the right kind of help. And I cried. Because I was so thankful this mother was helping her little girl & helping her to learn the tools she needs now as she's growing up. While my parents realized I was shy & nervous, I basically just went through it on my own. I'm not explaining it well, but I didn't felt seen... instead, I felt like it was just something I had to get over.

Fastfoward to now, & I feel guilty about my anxiety. I think a lot of people think people use anxiety as an excuse, so, if I say anything, I worry that people will just think I'm either making up some kind of excuse or calling attention to myself. And I was raised to not call attention to myself & to not make a scene or cause problems for other people.
 
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I was an anxious, nervous, shy little girl. The night before family get-togethers, I would throw up. When all the family (grandparents, aunts & uncles, cousins) were eating together, I had to eat separately in a room by myself because I was so nervous.

But no one ever told me I was okay. No one ever acknowledged my anxiety. I basically had to muddle through & learn ways to cope on my own - or not cope but still had to do whatever or go wherever.

A few months ago, one of my FB friends posted about her little girl who also has anxiety & finding her the right kind of help. And I cried. Because I was so thankful this mother was helping her little girl & helping her to learn the tools she needs now as she's growing up. While my parents realized I was shy & nervous, I basically just went through it on my own. I'm not explaining it well, but I didn't felt seen... instead, I felt like it was just something I had to get over.

Fastfoward to now, & I feel guilty about my anxiety. I think a lot of people think people use anxiety as an excuse, so, if I say anything, I worry that people will just think I'm either making up some kind of excuse or calling attention to myself. And I was raised to not call attention to myself & to not make a scene or cause problems for other people.

I don't know how old you are, but depending on your age, that would not have been unusual at all. I was also an anxious/shy kid. Very shy. I didn't have panic attacks at that point, but I had some issues going on. Of course, my mother really worried for me and try to soothe me, but there was no way to address anything "back then" (would have been late 60s/early 70s). It just was. I know it runs in families. We suspect my grandmother may have had it. Again, not discussed, but my mother always said that when things got overwhelming for her she often had to go take a short nap in her bedroom to set things right.
 
Oh, it must be so nice to be a normal, logical thinking person. :laughing: I was hoping just having the Xanax in the house would have the same affect on me, that's why I agreed to fill the prescription even though I wasn't keen on taking the pills, but it did just the opposite. Everytime I considered using it, my anxiety would spike even higher as I started to worry about how it would affect me, what if I had a bad reaction, what if it became a crutch? :rotfl:(God, I was such a mess back then before my hormones got under control.) In the end, those now-expired pills are still sitting untouched in a medicine cabinet somewhere.

Haha, logical, maybe, but I don't know about normal:rolleyes:
I think since I've tried it, and I know how it affects me, I was able to put that worry aside...I was scared to take it at first!
I glad for you, it sounds like you've gotten a handle on things now? Anxiety is such a terrible thing to deal with.
 
I wish I could work with her.

Me too! LOL You can teach her to drive....

Younger dd is up in WI with her BF. She had to bail on us. Our house is a source of major anxiety right now. She is going back to college in Jan, thank goodness. Hmmm...her BF was supposed to take her to get her blood drawn yesterday. I hope she did it. (fingers crossed)

I wish you could help my older dd who is 26. She is the one with the heart defect TOF and also has GAD, plus OCD with picking. She is going to come and live with us along with her BF in a temporary rental. We are selling this house. Sign goes in next week. Excitement to come for sure!!!

It really sucks parenting older kids with medical issues. They have to be the one to make the calls and go to appts. They do talk to both of us.
 
If those work for you great! :thumbsup2 My own experience and others in my personal life have not been. Bad enough to tell others if there is way to avoid them then please do so. My GP prescribed them very easily and the effects were horrid and that was just a couple of doses. Tried a few different ones. Fortunately I was able to find a doc that set me with a different route to take. If that works for you that's great but in my opinion if there is way to avoid them that's better.

Yea, if you can avoid them that IS great.

When we went to the Mayo Clinic and they recommended biofeedback as non drug option that has been proven to work. All it is breathing.

What other non drug things do you do?
 
I don't know how old you are, but depending on your age, that would not have been unusual at all. I was also an anxious/shy kid. Very shy. I didn't have panic attacks at that point, but I had some issues going on. Of course, my mother really worried for me and try to soothe me, but there was no way to address anything "back then" (would have been late 60s/early 70s). It just was. I know it runs in families. We suspect my grandmother may have had it. Again, not discussed, but my mother always said that when things got overwhelming for her she often had to go take a short nap in her bedroom to set things right.

Right. I'm in the that age. I was born in the early 70s.

And, yes, I would agree that it runs in families. I remember my grandmother (my mom's mother) having to take her "nerve pills". And, when she got anxious & agitated, she'd retreat to her kitchen & sing "Amazing Grace".

My mom is a shy extrovert w/ anxiety/worry - but we never talked about it together. But she was also impatient & angry a lot. Mornings before work & school were horrible. There were many days, we'd be running late & the last words she'd say were, "And if I have a wreck on the way to work & kill myself, it'll be your fault."

Now that I'm grown & have done some research on anxiety, I know that, sometimes, anxiety can look like anger & she didn't mean it. But I still think it may have a done a lot of damage to my psyche... which makes me worry about all the damage my anxiety may be causing my own children.

I actually have a lot of mother/daughter issues w/ which I'm trying to work out for my own peace of mind because I could never discuss it w/ her. I have a complicated relationship w/ her (but it's all on my side).

This is actually making me teary & anxious to type.
 
Right. I'm in the that age. I was born in the early 70s.

And, yes, I would agree that it runs in families. I remember my grandmother (my mom's mother) having to take her "nerve pills". And, when she got anxious & agitated, she'd retreat to her kitchen & sing "Amazing Grace".

My mom is a shy extrovert w/ anxiety/worry - but we never talked about it together. But she was also impatient & angry a lot. Mornings before work & school were horrible. There were many days, we'd be running late & the last words she'd say were, "And if I have a wreck on the way to work & kill myself, it'll be your fault."

Now that I'm grown & have done some research on anxiety, I know that, sometimes, anxiety can look like anger & she didn't mean it. But I still think it may have a done a lot of damage to my psyche... which makes me worry about all the damage my anxiety may be causing my own children.

I actually have a lot of mother/daughter issues w/ which I'm trying to work out for my own peace of mind because I could never discuss it w/ her. I have a complicated relationship w/ her (but it's all on my side).

This is actually making me teary & anxious to type.

OK...I have to say something here. I used to have a super anxiety about being "late". (Late to me was 15mins early).

I did not say that "a wreck is your fault" to my kids, but I have said unpleasant things when we were late, which was a lot. It hurts to hear things like that. (((HUGS)))

I have since identified that I have this weird anxiety and we all talk it about now. It all came to a head last yr, when my sister who has agoraphobia (read late or a no show) was just flippant with my anxiety.

I finally got it through their heads that this is MY ANXIETY. So things have been better all around with that.
 
Don't you all think that most of us, as parents, do things like that? Especially us mothers? (And of course, dads, too, but maybe in a different way.) We probably all experience a lot of anxiety when we're multi-tasking and trying to keep a lot of balls in the air. I know I'm guilty, too. And yes, I think these types of things can rub off on our kids, but kids also have to see the big picture. They also tend to experience it themselves, too, once they start having a lot of balls in the air, as well. I'm sure it's probably some combination of learned and inherited tendencies, but I think we all live in sort of a stressed-out society today! I have a good friend who experienced a tremendous amount of anxiety during her first pregnancy. The child she was pregnant with is now pushing 30, but she still feels guilty about it - never mind that she's given this child a wonderful life and she is a happy and successful young woman! Maybe we all have to stop being so hard on ourselves as parents! And we also learn to understand our own parents as we age and especially if we have children ourselves. My mother had a tough time in life in a lot of ways, but I try to understand what she was going through and it's ok. Her mother went through a tough time, too, and my mother understands her. Forgiveness, I think, can be part of all our healing as adults. Let it go! :music: Let it go! :music:
 
Haha, logical, maybe, but I don't know about normal:rolleyes:
I think since I've tried it, and I know how it affects me, I was able to put that worry aside...I was scared to take it at first!
I glad for you, it sounds like you've gotten a handle on things now? Anxiety is such a terrible thing to deal with.
Yes, fortunately, pregnancy seemed to hit reset on my hormones and everything is (mostly) stable once again. I'm 95% my old self; I expect I'll recover that last 5% once I stop breastfeeding.

Right. I'm in the that age. I was born in the early 70s.

And, yes, I would agree that it runs in families. I remember my grandmother (my mom's mother) having to take her "nerve pills". And, when she got anxious & agitated, she'd retreat to her kitchen & sing "Amazing Grace".

My mom is a shy extrovert w/ anxiety/worry - but we never talked about it together. But she was also impatient & angry a lot. Mornings before work & school were horrible. There were many days, we'd be running late & the last words she'd say were, "And if I have a wreck on the way to work & kill myself, it'll be your fault."

Now that I'm grown & have done some research on anxiety, I know that, sometimes, anxiety can look like anger & she didn't mean it. But I still think it may have a done a lot of damage to my psyche... which makes me worry about all the damage my anxiety may be causing my own children.

I actually have a lot of mother/daughter issues w/ which I'm trying to work out for my own peace of mind because I could never discuss it w/ her. I have a complicated relationship w/ her (but it's all on my side).

This is actually making me teary & anxious to type.
Sorry, but this isn't anxiety, this is emotional abuse. Anxiety is something you turn on yourself; when you start turning it on your children, that's abuse and there's no excuse for it. I'm sorry you had to deal with that. I hope you've found someone to talk to who can help you work through it.
 
I haven't read through all of the posts so I'm sorry if this was mentioned before!

I have horrible anxiety and depression that, while I'm sure I have had them for a very long time, have just made themselves apparent to those around me and worsened in the last few years. I make myself sick from worrying and overthinking things all the time. One thing that has really helped me, but some people find silly, is my dog. I adopted her about 2 years ago and she LOVES to cuddle. She literally has to be touching you at all times on the couch and in bed. I'm not sure what it is, but her warmth and love and weight around me helps to calm my anxiety better than anything else can. Heck, she is laying on me as I type!

Another thing that helps is a weighted blanket. They are super calming and relaxing and help me a lot.
 
Sounds like we should have our own support group :). My own DGM (who lived to 103) controlled her anxiety by taking to an extreme "a place for everything and everything in its place". My DM deal with her anxiety by cleaning/rearranging (we'd come home from school and if all the living room was rearranged, we knew she had had a REALLY bad day!). Now I deal with mine by absolutely minimizing clutter, whether it be physical (stuff), technological (facebook, the news, etc) or familial (love you,but can't handle spending time with you right now). My DH is also a grounding tool for me (although I try not to abuse it).

It can DEFINITELY get worse without treatment. You've had wonderful suggestions, and I hope she will take them to heart. I don't think anxiety ever truly goes "away", but it can definitely be managed.

Terri
 
Sorry, but this isn't anxiety, this is emotional abuse. Anxiety is something you turn on yourself; when you start turning it on your children, that's abuse and there's no excuse for it. I'm sorry you had to deal with that. I hope you've found someone to talk to who can help you work through it.
I can see where you'd feel that way, but it sounds like Wendy over time has developed wisdom about it and put it in its proper perspective. It's not excusing it. It's understanding that mothers have it pretty tough some times. We all get overwhelmed and exasperated at times, and I'm betting you will too.
 
I have suffered from anxiety since high school. I have had it to the extreme and have had times when it was easily controlled. I did use medication in high school along with therapy to get through.

I can totally relate to you daughter and the feeling of my legs not working. It scared me the first time it happened. I actually ended up in the emergency room a few months ago because my physical symptoms were out of control. I have since had a whole work up and have nothing physical wrong with me. I have been seeing a psychotherapist who is helping me get to the real root of my anxiety and it has helped immensely.

I was not against any medication this time around but have found I don't need it on a daily basis. I do have a prescription for Ativan I can take if my anxiety gets bad but in 3 months I have taken 3 pills.

I wish you guys luck on your journey. It is hard but if she can find what works for her everything will get better.
 
I can see where you'd feel that way, but it sounds like Wendy over time has developed wisdom about it and put it in its proper perspective. It sounds like Wendy is one big ball of anxiety and, in her own words, it did "a lot of damage to [her] psyche." It's not excusing it. But you are when you say... It's understanding that mothers have it pretty tough some times. We all get overwhelmed and exasperated at times, <-- this right here and I'm betting you will too. Nah. I'll make plenty of parenting mistakes as every parent does, but I'm certain I'll never be vicious enough to say something that horrid to my child. One, it's not in my nature and, two, that's not the kind of thing that would even accidentally slip out of a mentally stable person's mouth.
 


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