Anna Nicole Smith ~ DIED OF UNKNOWN CAUSE ~ will the real father please stand up

[need_a_Disney_fix]

I've always had the gut feeling HKS was supplying her with the drugs to gain access to her money or whatever it is he wanted. I always thought he was the one who kept her drugged up so she couldn't think for herself.

I am totally buying into this.

 

[ThePhantomsGirl]

Since they've been playing interviews with her non-stop for the last couple of days - listen to the ones from years ago. She didn't slur her words then. Didn't take long for her to sound drugged - but in the beginning she sounded very different. Yes, she had a drawl - but it wasn't a slurred drawl!

And yes - I DO feel the press and media is on Larry Birkhead's side. I just wish the law somewhere would force a DNA test NOW and settle paternity once and all. Won't happen soon though with all the lawyers. And I truly believe if Howard K. Stern WAS the father - he'd take the test just to shut them up. But then of course there would go all the interview fees....

 

[Vivianne]

Truer words haven't been spoken in this situation.

 

[disneyelaine]

Obviously the whole thing is a sad, tragic mess. But what about ANS's wishes? Shouldn't those come into play? I mean, for whatever reason, she must have trusted HKS and wanted him to help raise her daughter. She did not want Larry around. Same thing with her family. She did not want to have a relationship with them, for whatever reason, but she obviously didn't. She probably would not even want her mother to hold her baby. If she had, wouldn't she have let her in the past 5 months prior to her death??

But also if I were ANS and I had all these relationship problems/issues, I sure as heck would have had a recent will, one written after the daughter was born.....to state my wishes. Not sure if it is true, but I read her will was written in 1998?? First thing I thought of after having kids, was to update the will. She should have, since she was not married, and her legal next of kin would have been the mother she dispises, right?

Another thing that bothers me is people who think HKS kept her drug up. Why don't you think she kept herself drug up? Enabler, yes. But how can someone make you take drugs? I always thought drug addicts made that choice. Plus, if she didn't want HKS around, he wouldn't be there. It seems ANS had no problem getting rid of others she no longer wanted in her life.

Just a shame.

 

[sweetspicy]

Obviously the whole thing is a sad, tragic mess. But what about ANS's wishes? Shouldn't those come into play? I mean, for whatever reason, she must have trusted HKS and wanted him to help raise her daughter. She did not want Larry around. Same thing with her family. She did not want to have a relationship with them, for whatever reason, but she obviously didn't. She probably would not even want her mother to hold her baby. If she had, wouldn't she have let her in the past 5 months prior to her death??

But also if I were ANS and I had all these relationship problems/issues, I sure as heck would have had a recent will, one written after the daughter was born.....to state my wishes. Not sure if it is true, but I read her will was written in 1998?? First thing I thought of after having kids, was to update the will. She should have, since she was not married, and her legal next of kin would have been the mother she dispises, right?

Another thing that bothers me is people who think HKS kept her drug up. Why don't you think she kept herself drug up? Enabler, yes. But how can someone make you take drugs? I always thought drug addicts made that choice. Plus, if she didn't want HKS around, he wouldn't be there. It seems ANS had no problem getting rid of others she no longer wanted in her life.

Just a shame.

I agree with this, especially the last paragraph. I really think that ANS ran things, not HKS. If you ever watched her E! show, that's definitely how it was, and I bet it stayed like that.

 

[momrek06]

Obviously the whole thing is a sad, tragic mess. But what about ANS's wishes? Shouldn't those come into play? I mean, for whatever reason, she must have trusted HKS and wanted him to help raise her daughter. She did not want Larry around. Same thing with her family. She did not want to have a relationship with them, for whatever reason, but she obviously didn't. She probably would not even want her mother to hold her baby. If she had, wouldn't she have let her in the past 5 months prior to her death??

But also if I were ANS and I had all these relationship problems/issues, I sure as heck would have had a recent will, one written after the daughter was born.....to state my wishes. Not sure if it is true, but I read her will was written in 1998?? First thing I thought of after having kids, was to update the will. She should have, since she was not married, and her legal next of kin would have been the mother she dispises, right?

Another thing that bothers me is people who think HKS kept her drug up. Why don't you think she kept herself drug up? Enabler, yes. But how can someone make you take drugs? I always thought drug addicts made that choice. Plus, if she didn't want HKS around, he wouldn't be there. It seems ANS had no problem getting rid of others she no longer wanted in her life.

Just a shame.

The bottomline is IF by some chance that Larry IS the baby's father HE has every single right to be in her life, heck, RAISE HER. I think ANS was very troubled and I think (by watching all the News reports) that HKS convinced her to have him sign on as the dad...JMHO!! And that is just so wrong. The child should be with her dad and the dad should be with his child! A mother (ANNA) cannot just go eany meany miney mo I now make YOU (HOWARD) the father...that is just NOT how it happens!!! AND he is a freakin' atty, he knows the LAW, he knows what is LEGAL and what is NOT! Just go take the TEST, HKS!! WHY WON'T YOU TAKE THE TEST...Oh, maybe because you will FAIL!!!!!!


As far as watching ANS' Reality show....I think HKS has ALWAYS controlled her...this was a game Howard played.... he made it APPEAR that ANS was the controlling one while he played the little passive atty and friend ON THE SHOW. So that people like the Media and YOU think TODAY..."why is everyone blaming HKS?" We are blaming him because for HKS if was nothing but one huge gigantic "gravy train"!!!!!

 

[disneyelaine]

Of course Larry should raise the baby if it is his! That probably is what will happen if it is his. Just was trying to say, ANS wanted HKS around. That was her choice. For example if my sister, who is divorced, died, my neice would legally have to go live with her birth Father probably. But my sister's WISHES would be that her step father have custody of her vs. her real father. Not saying it would be legal or even it would happen. Just something that I was thinking about.

And it's crazy that her mom would fight burying ANS next to her son Daniel. Once again, I believe ANS wishes would surely have been to be next to Daniel vs. in the state of Texas with the family she was so estranged from.

Too much fighting for me & I find it all so sad.

 

[brerrabbit]

For those of you who were wondering about any sort of memorial or recognition of ANS's life here's a link for you from the Houston Chronicle:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4555394.html

 

[honeymom]

Obviously the whole thing is a sad, tragic mess. But what about ANS's wishes? Shouldn't those come into play? I mean, for whatever reason, she must have trusted HKS and wanted him to help raise her daughter. She did not want Larry around. Same thing with her family. She did not want to have a relationship with them, for whatever reason, but she obviously didn't. She probably would not even want her mother to hold her baby. If she had, wouldn't she have let her in the past 5 months prior to her death??

But also if I were ANS and I had all these relationship problems/issues, I sure as heck would have had a recent will, one written after the daughter was born.....to state my wishes. Not sure if it is true, but I read her will was written in 1998?? First thing I thought of after having kids, was to update the will. She should have, since she was not married, and her legal next of kin would have been the mother she dispises, right?

Another thing that bothers me is people who think HKS kept her drug up. Why don't you think she kept herself drug up? Enabler, yes. But how can someone make you take drugs? I always thought drug addicts made that choice. Plus, if she didn't want HKS around, he wouldn't be there. It seems ANS had no problem getting rid of others she no longer wanted in her life.

Just a shame.

HKS was an enabler. If the sole reason that ANS was not letting Birkhead see the child, and it would have to be proven, was because Birkhead tried to clean up her act and if Birkhead is the dad, then I would say that the baby will be much better off with Birkhead. I don't know why, but he does seem like the only normal person in this mess when I watch him interviewed. And, he did seem like the only normal person when ANS was alive. I do not think it is normal to flee to the Bahamas either. If you were in a custody battle, would you want the other side to go out of the country without so much as a chance to have your say in court? ANS had the power to leave the country, but that doesn't make what she did right in terms of the legal issues that needed to be resolved.

 

[CathrynRose]

I havent posted much in this thread, but for some reason her death has me captivated. Perhaps it's because she was so young?

In any event: I wanted to post my morning thoughts.....

Anna Nicole Smith.

BABY: Okay - fine, theyre having a paternity dispute over the baby. Although strange and odd and IMO fueled by money and fame in some of the cases, it must be done. Although her mother wanting the grandchild she has NEVER MET? That baby is 5 months old!! She was able to hop on a plane and attempt to gain custody after Anna died, but didnt hop on a plane after that baby was born - nor did she hop on a plane and console her daughter through her OTHER grandchild's death. I dont like her - AT ALL.

BODY: This part is starting to really TICK me off! I mean like - super bad. Anna Nicole bought 2 burial plots next to her son's in the Bahama's. SHE bought them. Call me crazy - but I kinda think she wants to be buried there, no? That mother of hers!!! She wants the body and will have it buried in her hometown of Mexia, Texas. Thats NOT what Anna wanted. She bought a burial plot NEXT TO HER SON! What is WRONG with that woman??? In the case of the body, it needs to be handed over to Howard.... IMO he will do the right thing.

I know many people think he's shady or sketchy or was riding the gravy train. He has been her lawyer/friend/confidant/lover (???) for 15 YEARS!!! Fifteen!!! You dont put up with someone as screwed up as her, and ride the gravy train THAT long - I dont buy it. All the rest of the people in her life, you know - the ones doing interviews about her after her death, that she hasnt seen in 5 or 10 years - THATS what a gravy train rider does. Not stick by her side, constantly. I personally think he was a crazy-in-love-with-her enabler. I think he would have (and probably did) anything for her. Strange to us, but not out to exploit her. I just dont buy it.

Give him the stinking body, already.

Thats what *I* think.

 

[SplshMtn99]

I don't think I can recall ever hearing of such a messed up case/story/life as hers. Its almost to the point that its sooooo screwed up that its not interesting anymore.

We watch ET nightly....just because its on after the news. But last night, DH finally said "Is there ANYTHING else on?" - and we changed the channel.

 

[sydally9367]

Did anyone hear ( or see ) the clip of the Judge hearing the arguments for who should get custody of ANS remains? HOLY COW..I don't know where they found this guy, but he sounds COMPLETELY unprofessional and like he is part of the Gambino Family I was driving my DD's to school this morning and my local radio station played a clip; I don't recall it word for word but it said "That baby is in a very cold, cold room right now, her body isn't going to decompose. If I went to see her today it would be fine, if I went last week, it would be fine. I'm going to take my time making my decision." Of course, the Broward County ME says there is very little time left for them to make a decision before it comes extremely difficult to prepare the body for viewing.

What a mess

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Obviously the whole thing is a sad, tragic mess. But what about ANS's wishes? Shouldn't those come into play? I mean, for whatever reason, she must have trusted HKS and wanted him to help raise her daughter. She did not want Larry around. Same thing with her family. She did not want to have a relationship with them, for whatever reason, but she obviously didn't. She probably would not even want her mother to hold her baby. If she had, wouldn't she have let her in the past 5 months prior to her death??

The problem is....IF he is the real dad--ANS opted to exclude the dad from the baby's life for no reason.

If I was pregnant by a man--but then decided for whatever reason, I wouldn't want anything to do with him....without any evidence of abuse or whatever....I cannot legally do that.

I can legally terminate the pregnancy, I can legally continue the pregnancy....but I cannot legally decide.."You know what...I don't like you anymore, I want to move on with life--POOF you cannot be in my child's life or mine."

Paternity rights have come a long way. You just can't POOF them away on a whim.

Larry's problem right now is getting court permission for that paternity test. If he is daddy--his road won't be as difficult as some think to get to his daughter.

Baby girl isn't a piece of property--she is a person who is 50% her mother's DNA and 50% of her dad's DNA. Nothing will change that.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Of course Larry should raise the baby if it is his! That probably is what will happen if it is his. Just was trying to say, ANS wanted HKS around. That was her choice. For example if my sister, who is divorced, died, my neice would legally have to go live with her birth Father probably. But my sister's WISHES would be that her step father have custody of her vs. her real father. Not saying it would be legal or even it would happen. Just something that I was thinking about.

And it's crazy that her mom would fight burying ANS next to her son Daniel. Once again, I believe ANS wishes would surely have been to be next to Daniel vs. in the state of Texas with the family she was so estranged from.

Too much fighting for me & I find it all so sad.

Depends on the custody agreements and the law. Your sister has some precedence set by those regards. Larry was never given the chance for anything.

I know if my mom died I would NOT want to live with my dad--but that is as someone older.

If Larry is the dad, dad was never given the chance to be dad and noone can just arbitrarily take that right away.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Did anyone hear ( or see ) the clip of the Judge hearing the arguments for who should get custody of ANS remains? HOLY COW..I don't know where they found this guy, but he sounds COMPLETELY unprofessional and like he is part of the Gambino Family I was driving my DD's to school this morning and my local radio station played a clip; I don't recall it word for word but it said "That baby is in a very cold, cold room right now, her body isn't going to decompose. If I went to see her today it would be fine, if I went last week, it would be fine. I'm going to take my time making my decision." Of course, the Broward County ME says there is very little time left for them to make a decision before it comes extremely difficult to prepare the body for viewing.

What a mess

I thought the opposite--I say good for him. He isn't going to let the greedy lawyers on BOTH sides rush him to an inappropriate and possibly incorrect decision.

And if both sides would behave themselves---well, then there wouldn't be any trouble.

But her body was on a 10 day hold anyway pending the DNA requests. So there is still 3 more days. No need to rush an answer this minute....when there is already a ruling for a 10 day hold.

 

[momrek06]

The problem is....IF he is the real dad--ANS opted to exclude the dad from the baby's life for no reason.

If I was pregnant by a man--but then decided for whatever reason, I wouldn't want anything to do with him....without any evidence of abuse or whatever....I cannot legally do that.

I can legally terminate the pregnancy, I can legally continue the pregnancy....but I cannot legally decide.."You know what...I don't like you anymore, I want to move on with life--POOF you cannot be in my child's life or mine."

Paternity rights have come a long way. You just can't POOF them away on a whim.

Larry's problem right now is getting court permission for that paternity test. If he is daddy--his road won't be as difficult as some think to get to his daughter.

Baby girl isn't a piece of property--she is a person who is 50% her mother's DNA and 50% of her dad's DNA. Nothing will change that.

ITA!!!! TOTALLY!!!!

Depends on the custody agreements and the law. Your sister has some precedence set by those regards. Larry was never given the chance for anything.

I know if my mom died I would NOT want to live with my dad--but that is as someone older.

If Larry is the dad, dad was never given the chance to be dad and noone can just arbitrarily take that right away.

ITA!!!! TOTALLY!!!!

 

[sydally9367]

I thought the opposite--I say good for him. He isn't going to let the greedy lawyers on BOTH sides rush him to an inappropriate and possibly incorrect decision.

And if both sides would behave themselves---well, then there wouldn't be any trouble.

But her body was on a 10 day hold anyway pending the DNA requests. So there is still 3 more days. No need to rush an answer this minute....when there is already a ruling for a 10 day hold.

Oh I agree that he should take his time, no arguments from me there. I guess it was just his word choice that seemed a little shady to me. When he said "that baby"..it just sounded extremely unprofessional for some reason.

 

[momrek06]

I know many people think he's shady or sketchy or was riding the gravy train. He has been her lawyer/friend/confidant/lover (???) for 15 YEARS!!! Fifteen!!! You dont put up with someone as screwed up as her, and ride the gravy train THAT long - I dont buy it. All the rest of the people in her life, you know - the ones doing interviews about her after her death, that she hasnt seen in 5 or 10 years - THATS what a gravy train rider does. Not stick by her side, constantly. I personally think he was a crazy-in-love-with-her enabler. I think he would have (and probably did) anything for her. Strange to us, but not out to exploit her. I just dont buy it.

Howard K. Stearn’s Entertainment Tonight Interview
Monday, February 12th, 2007



Howard K. Stern sells his first interview just days after the death of Anna Nicole Smith to the highest bidder. (Photo Courtesy Entertainment Tonight)

Shocked Americans tuned in to Entertainment Tonight because Howard K. Stern, "boyfriend’ to Anna Nicole Smith as well as alleged person of interest in her son’s death, had been paid over a million dollars for an exclusive TV interview just days after her death.

According to Stern, he and Anna were just weeks away from a top secret wedding ceremony. "I just want her to be with Daniel. That would make her happy," Stern moaned during the interview. "I have to get back to Dannielynn. She’s all that’s left of Anna."

Although Stern is being questioned by police surrounding the death of Anna’s son, Entertainment Tonight only asked one probing question, which Stern avoided. When asked about the strange events leading up to Anna’s death, Howard said, "I can’t even think about it."

With Dannielynn being worth a half-billion dollars, custody of the baby has started a vicious war between "father" Stern, Anna Nicole’s mother, a photographer, and Zsa Zsa Gabor’s husband.

"She’s not going to take my baby," Stern said of Anna’s mother. "She’s not going to take Anna’s baby. Never. Never. As long as I have one breath left in my body, that woman will not see Dannielynn."

The saga continues tomorrow night on Entertainment Tonight.

This entry was posted on Monday, February 12th, 2007 at 8:45 pm and is filed under Entertainment.


This above article is another reason why I feel it is all about the money with Howard. Anna is dead 36 hours...36 hours and he sells a story to the Media for over a million dollars!


Most people, most, would be in mourning, instead it appears that Howard was in negotiating. JMHO!!!

 

[LadyTrampScamp&Angel]

I haven't posted much on this thread either but have been following it.

The whole thing about taking her body back to Texas and having her burial there makes me sad. After listening to ANS talk about her Mom in interviews:

1) It would be so sad to give her Mom control of her final resting place.
Although ANS certainly had issues, it was clear how she felt about her Mom, and she felt that way for many years.

2) Given Daniel did seem to be her world and she bought those plots next to his, I believe it was her intent to be buried near him. It would be a travesty not to honor that.

3) Unfortunately I think legally her Mom may end up control as next of kin. I think HKS really does love ANS and would do the best for her as far as her burial. I'm not saying he's a great person, but that he would follow her wishes and do better by her than her mother.

As for the paternity issue, I'm thinking that ANS and HKS know that they don't know for sure who the father is and that's why they refuse a test. If they knew for sure it was HKS, it would have gotten rid of the legal hassle and saved them $$$. It sure seemed like ANS used sex lightly although we can't be sure what's true. I could see lots of men coming out if there was even a chance they could get their hands on the baby's possible inheritance. I think ANS wanted HKS to be the Dad but either he isn't, or they don't know for sure, and aren't taking the chance. Birkhead seems the most sane but again, it's hard from media reports to really know.

I'm still hoping she gets buried next to Daniel and that Dannielyn somehow ends up with a caregiver that has some sense.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Oh I agree that he should take his time, no arguments from me there. I guess it was just his word choice that seemed a little shady to me. When he said "that baby"..it just sounded extremely unprofessional for some reason.

I saw a video clip on our local news and didn't see it the same way--but I had facial expressions and tone of voice to go with it. It is true--she is on ice..so there is no rush b/c the ME is keeping her in a state in which she will still be able to be preserved. The time is running out of course. But I don't recall him using the words "that baby".

Did you hear a clip or was the station quoting/paraphrasing?

ETA: the clip was him in chambers or a conference room..not a courtroom.