Am I the only one who doesn't get the "Occupy Wallstreet" movements

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Big profits, zero taxes for large U.S. companies
Tax rate for 280 profitable firms ranges from 41% to negative 58%: study
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/big-profits-zero-taxes-for-large-us-companies-2011-11-03

If corporations can be persons, well, tell ya what, time for us all to "incorporate" and off-shore our taxes. One sure-fire way to dismantle the gov't, rob it of its revenue! :)
Here's the really ironic thing, often times these situations arise because of things like the performance-based tax breaks contained in the 2009 Stimulus bill. That certainly was the case with the infamous GE. I thought the stimulus was supposed to be a good thing and we in fact need more of it?
 
OWS isn't anti billionaire either. They are anti billionaires having their own set of rules and being allowed to buy our politicians. There are many wealthy people who recognize the unfairness and the greed. They are the ones that support the movement.
Nothing confusing about that.
Again, you're staring at "ink blots" here. It would help your case if the OWS folks would leave the "Eat The Rich" type signs at home.
 
Again, you're staring at "ink blots" here. It would help your case if the OWS folks would leave the "Eat The Rich" type signs at home.

Not an ink blot thing. It's a difference of opinion thing. OWS is all about wanting our politicians to listen to all the citizens, not just the 1% who give millions to the campaign. When you have 99 people in a room, you're going to hear different opinions, and different priorities. While I may not agree with every single sign at OWS, I agree that every person there has a right to have their voice heard. Just because I don't agree with the person standing next to me, doesn't mean they should leave there sign home and carry my sign instead. Will you see odd signs? Absolutely. And you'll see angry signs, and signs from students, and union workers, and elderly, and vets, and so on. The one thing we all had in common was wanting our voice to be heard.sure, there are a lot of duplicate signs. Things like citizens united, and wall street bail outs, and creating jobs have angered a lot of people and they want something done about it. Some signs there weren't As many of, but they were still important to that individual, so more power to him.
 

In Portland, when the protesters who had jobs went home, those who stayed actually went under the bridges to the homeless and invited them to come "use their services" so they would have greater numbers :rotfl2:

Now they are complaining that they need police protection......:laughing:
 
Sorry that confused you. It wasn't random billionaires they were targeting, it was specific billionaires, and there were specific reasons those billionaires were targeted. Does that make it any less confusing???

I didn't say I was confused. I firmly believe they are anti-billionaire. The OWS has a rhetoric problem. Some people say one thing, others say another, they then do something completely different. They can't even decide if they want a coherent message or not - so say yes, some say to keep it "organic" and scattered.

Which is why it's slowly dying. A couple of weeks ago they dominated the news. Now they are nothing more than a footnote.
 
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So, if the big corporations pay more in taxes, you do realize that money will come from somewhere else on the books...as in maybe charitable donations. The bottom line is profit in corporations. If profits are reduced due to paying higher taxes, then donations will reflect this as well...less funds donated because there are less profits. My concern will be that if and when corporations pay more taxes, then it will get passed down to us, the consumer. I like that a new Iphone is $199, and not $399,$499, etc. which it could be to recoup increased taxes. Or, how much more will a car cost, a new computer, your trip to Disney, the clothes on your back, etc. It's all part of the bigger picture. One way or another "big corporations" will recoup the cost of higher taxes placed upon them, whether it be passed on to the consumer, or reduced donations to charitable organizations...either way, the 99% will still be paying the tab.

Corporate taxes come from individuals somewhere. Either less paid to shareholders, less paid to employees, or higher prices paid by consumers. Most likely the latter.
 
Not an ink blot thing. It's a difference of opinion thing. OWS is all about wanting our politicians to listen to all the citizens, not just the 1% who give millions to the campaign.
Look, here's the problem... by definition anyone that claims they know what OWS is "about" or "wants" is merely projecting their feelings on the group as a whole. To give you an idea of how scattered the thinking of the group is consider this note from the Oakland Tribune's live-blog today:
9:10 a.m. Graffiti scrawled all over downtown, with conflicting messages

Graffiti is everywhere around 14th and Broadway. It appears there was a struggle between people who were bent on destruction and those trying to keep the peace.

There were messages like "kill cops" and "not until the last capitalist is hung with the entrails of the last bureaucrat." Next to that, somebody had graffitied a heart with the words "Nonviolence works better."

The window at Tully's was smashed in and boarded up, and a sign was put up with yet another heart on it that said "Action not done by the people".
OK, so which of the messages all over downtown Oakland are from the "real" OWS crowd and which ones are fake?
 
I didn't say I was confused. I firmly believe they are anti-billionaire. The OWS has a rhetoric problem. Some people say one thing, others say another, they then do something completely different. They can't even decide if they want a coherent message or not - so say yes, some say to keep it "organic" and scattered.

Which is why it's slowly dying. A couple of weeks ago they dominated the news. Now they are nothing more than a footnote.

uhmm Hoodie, that's why it's called the "news". The new stuff pushes out the old stuff. Whens the last time we've heard for the Tea party? doesn't mean they've died out, it just means there not in the "news" anymore.
Right now everyones trying to figure out if Cain did nor did not harrass some women, when we get bored with that story we'll move onto some thing else.

You're totally correct though at some point they will have to get their collective acts together and decide how and if they can effectively participate.

But remember just a few weeks ago people were predicting that they would never make it through the first cold snap and yet they have.

Occupy Philly is working with the city (philly is one of the few that recognizes its right to protes) to come up with a viable solution for them through the winter. The friends have offered up their worship centers for them to use as a rallying point and to come in and take showers.
They had a march last night to the headquarters of Comcast Cable and there were 5 peaceable arrest. Even the police commissioner commented on how great it would be if all his days went like the ones dealing with the protestors.

Maybe they don't have to hang on forever just until elections next year. Here in Philly evey march has a voter registration along with it so maybe they are recognizing the political side of it. Who knows maybe the flyers will win the stanley cup. No one knows.
All we can do is wait and see.

Im not on board with ows or the tea party but I do like to see citizens protest (its in the blood. LOL) but I am absolutely fascinated by how this so much mirrors the civil rights movement, almost word for word.
I can remember so many people telling my mother that "negroes" just did not have the ability to "stick" together and that it would all blow over when the 'agitators" left town. So much for that prediction. :goodvibes

As I've said before, I'm not predicting any thing. My crystal ball is as fuzzy as the next guys.
 
As for the Koch Brothers, their involvement was direct.

Where's the proof of Soros (or anyone big like that) directly funding any of the OWS sites?

I think you need to go back and read your own links. The Koch brother funded Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks and other like minded organizations. Those organizations organized and funded some Tea Party events.

Likewise, Soros funds the Tides Foundations, Alliance for Global Justice and Adbusters and other like minded organization, who are organizing and funding Occupy Wall Street events.
 
uhmm Hoodie, that's why it's called the "news". The new stuff pushes out the old stuff. Whens the last time we've heard for the Tea party? doesn't mean they've died out, it just means there not in the "news" anymore.
Right now everyones trying to figure out if Cain did nor did not harrass some women, when we get bored with that story we'll move onto some thing else.

You're totally correct though at some point they will have to get their collective acts together and decide how and if they can effectively participate.

But remember just a few weeks ago people were predicting that they would never make it through the first cold snap and yet they have.

Occupy Philly is working with the city (philly is one of the few that recognizes its right to protes) to come up with a viable solution for them through the winter. The friends have offered up their worship centers for them to use as a rallying point and to come in and take showers.
They had a march last night to the headquarters of Comcast Cable and there were 5 peaceable arrest. Even the police commissioner commented on how great it would be if all his days went like the ones dealing with the protestors.

Maybe they don't have to hang on forever just until elections next year. Here in Philly evey march has a voter registration along with it so maybe they are recognizing the political side of it. Who knows maybe the flyers will win the stanley cup. No one knows.
All we can do is wait and see.

Im not on board with ows or the tea party but I do like to see citizens protest (its in the blood. LOL) but I am absolutely fascinated by how this so much mirrors the civil rights movement, almost word for word.
I can remember so many people telling my mother that "negroes" just did not have the ability to "stick" together and that it would all blow over when the 'agitators" left town. So much for that prediction. :goodvibes

As I've said before, I'm not predicting any thing. My crystal ball is as fuzzy as the next guys.

Actually, considering that the Tea Party isn't actually protesting right now I hear about them a lot. With all the budget debates, political speculation, the primaries, the Tea Party is mentioned about whether they approve, who they'll back, etc. They are mentioned as a political wing to be addressed. Good, bad, or otherwise they have attained some amount of respect.

The OWS tried to start out that way and gained some political notice. However, the OWS news is no longer about a group of people protesting political unfairness it's now about starting bonfires in the street, breaking glass in storefronts, shutting down businesses and ports, sexual assaults and rioting. It's degenerated into no more than a group of low-life thugs.
 
I think you need to go back and read your own links. The Koch brother funded Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks and other like minded organizations. Those organizations organized and funded some Tea Party events.

Likewise, Soros funds the Tides Foundations, Alliance for Global Justice and Adbusters and other like minded organization, who are organizing and funding Occupy Wall Street events.

Not to mention MoveOn which is admittedly his baby.
 
I'd much prefer everyone pay towards the cost to run a society.

Yep. And yet, only 53% actually pay any incomes taxes. The top earners paying the most, the middle paying some, and the bottom 47% getting a free ride.
 
I didn't say I was confused. I firmly believe they are anti-billionaire. The OWS has a rhetoric problem. Some people say one thing, others say another, they then do something completely different. They can't even decide if they want a coherent message or not - so say yes, some say to keep it "organic" and scattered.

Which is why it's slowly dying. A couple of weeks ago they dominated the news. Now they are nothing more than a footnote.

They aren't even just anti-billionaire, they are anti-1%, anti-rich. Which is, based on recent tax data, those earning about $375,000 and up. I've seen other sources that say $500,000 and up, but either way, well short of billions or even millions.

"Tax the Rich". "Eat the Rich". etc. Nope, not anti-rich at all!
 
Yep. And yet, only 53% actually pay any incomes taxes. The top earners paying the most, the middle paying some, and the bottom 47% getting a free ride.

Don't forget most of them get a tax refund too. Must be nice to get a refund on taxes you never paid.:confused3
 
Yep. And yet, only 53% actually pay any incomes taxes. The top earners paying the most, the middle paying some, and the bottom 47% getting a free ride.

But they still pay payroll taxes and sales taxes and car registration taxes and....

All of that makes up a much larger percentage of their total income than someone in that "53%".
 
I think you need to go back and read your own links. The Koch brother funded Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks and other like minded organizations. Those organizations organized and funded some Tea Party events.

Likewise, Soros funds the Tides Foundations, Alliance for Global Justice and Adbusters and other like minded organization, who are organizing and funding Occupy Wall Street events.

Still waiting for any kind of proof that Soros is involved with the OWD movement (or any of those other organizations)

Just because Rush Limbaugh has some sort of vendetta against the Tides Center doesn't mean whatever he says is right.
 
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