All resort non-smoking

[mjy]

I guess I just don't see enforcement as that big of a problem.

Not only that, but enforcement can even become fun if we take, as our model, the methods used in the Police Academy movie where the man was smoking a cigar on the plane and was doused with a fire extinguisher.

When we check in we can each be issued our own small, rechargeable, extinguisher. Then, when we see a violator . . .

 

[Chuck S]

* While the timing of this does surprise me, they shouldn't have any problem deciding where and how to create smoking areas at the resorts. A company with the resources of TWDC can certainly have this addressed to a reasonable degree within 30 days. Yes there will be some initial confusion among both cast and guests, but that would be true even if they had 6 months to prepare.

That would depend on several factors...including, if building is required, the proper permits being obtained. And would those plans have to be submitted to water boards, etc. for approval? If those boards only meet once per month or so, there will be definate delay.

 

[F4disneyfan]

KeystoKingdom: if you are going to quote somebody, please quote everything and not just one sentence. That one sentence of mine that you quoted is out of context and misleading. I well understand what a timeshare is.

To those who are interested in reading my entire thought on this subject, and why I believe many owner's of DVC shares, smokers or otherwise, are upset, my post is on page 25.

As a DVC member and a Disney shareholder I am extatic with the news...

As a shareholder they are looking after or trying to look after their bottom line by lowering cleaning/maintenance costs and thus improving profits which in turn means I make more money from them. As a DVC member and hotel guest on weekends it means I don't have to worry if the room I am getting is all smokey so it really is a win win situation for me and my family.

 

[Anthony1971]

I can assure that any smoking area allow the smell or smoke to be smelt on Balconies and or the front of the building. OKW has always had smoking areas in front of the buildings with ash trays. correct me but it seems that Disney is saying Rooms and Balconies which makes all of the other parts of the resort niether non smoking or smoking when we are talking about the condo style resorts or walking pats etc.
I did smoke for 15 years I quit I do after a while have one now and then when I am around smokers in groups and I will smoke Cigars. I have no problem smoking outside of the room if I choose to smoke. To me this whole thing has a lot of loop holes and people still will smoke on the balcony and most likely get a phone call or a neighbor that reminds them of the rule and hopefuly it will be civil. I highly doubt Disney will fine anyone for smoking on the Balcony and I would prefer this to a room that smells like smoke.
Again I quit but if i am with a bunch of smokers as I was with a trip last year to Canada and we were in a bar and everyone was smoking I gave in and had a few.
No die hard either way as long as both respect the others and theat means to me smoking outside away from crowds and if you are going to smoke on your balcony make sure there is no one else out near you and ask if they are... and I am not refering to a pack I am refering to one in any given 3 hour period or longer.

 

[F4disneyfan]

Then DVC should stop calling it your home away from home, and advertising that you "own" a piece of the magic.

They are the ones that use the terminology, and SELL it to people.

It is called marketing and it works and for those that don't read the documents they sigh when purcahsing points which is really all you are purchasing not the resort itself or the rooms then shame on them for being so easily mislead and not doing thier homework.

 

[keys2kingdom]

Then DVC should stop calling it your home away from home, and advertising that you "own" a piece of the magic.

They are the ones that use the terminology, and SELL it to people.

I agree, but I don't think many people actually think of it as their personal second home. I know many people like to hear the "welcome home" but really all the "welcome home", "home away from home" and "own a piece of the magic" phrases in the world aren't going to delude me into thinking that this is my property. Personally I don't have a problem with smoking rooms or smoking on balconies but like it or not it's Disney's decision to make since it's their property.

PS I hope you figure out a way to enjoy a few more vacations with your dad.

 

[F4disneyfan]

There is a way for Disney to police this without having to have the CM's or the other guests reporting it. There is a cost involved but honestly it is a small price to pay as far as I am concerned. They can install smoke detectors in the rooms and on the balconies to alert the front desk/manager of a guest smoking in a room or on a balcony just as a smoke alarm would alert them to a fire this would prevent or help to prevent the offending smokers and thus also allow them to administer teh cleaning fines appropriatley.

 

[elijahpep]

......As a DVC member and hotel guest on weekends it means I don't have to worry if the room I am getting is all smokey so it really is a win win situation for me and my family.

Do you truly believe that the people that broke the rules before are going to abide by them now? Or, for that matter, the member who used to stay in a smoking room and now can't but has no problem paying the $300 or so to keep on smoking?

I believe all this has done is make all rooms "smoking optional" and it is whether or not the smoker feels it is worth the money. From a previous post, the fine would be a one time fine for the stay. A smoker staying a week or two might think it is worth the money to break the rules. JMHO

~DH

 

[keliblue]

There is a way for Disney to police this without having to have the CM's or the other guests reporting it. There is a cost involved but honestly it is a small price to pay as far as I am concerned. They can install smoke detectors in the rooms and on the balconies to alert the front desk/manager of a guest smoking in a room or on a balcony just as a smoke alarm would alert them to a fire this would prevent or help to prevent the offending smokers and thus also allow them to administer teh cleaning fines appropriatley.

Ya.. I totally see this working.. just don't burn the toast

 

[Chuck S]

There is a way for Disney to police this without having to have the CM's or the other guests reporting it. There is a cost involved but honestly it is a small price to pay as far as I am concerned. They can install smoke detectors in the rooms and on the balconies to alert the front desk/manager of a guest smoking in a room or on a balcony just as a smoke alarm would alert them to a fire this would prevent or help to prevent the offending smokers and thus also allow them to administer teh cleaning fines appropriatley.

Electronic equipment malfunctions, those detectors could easily send a false alert (just as traditional smoke detecters go off from while cooking). Plus, depending upon the airflow in the room, they may not work at all. You would still need some sort of manual verification...sending a CM to check the unit. Why spend DVC members dues to install those units?

 

[jodifla]

I can assure that any smoking area allow the smell or smoke to be smelt on Balconies and or the front of the building. OKW has always had smoking areas in front of the buildings with ash trays. correct me but it seems that Disney is saying Rooms and Balconies which makes all of the other parts of the resort niether non smoking or smoking when we are talking about the condo style resorts or walking pats etc.
I did smoke for 15 years I quit I do after a while have one now and then when I am around smokers in groups and I will smoke Cigars. I have no problem smoking outside of the room if I choose to smoke. To me this whole thing has a lot of loop holes and people still will smoke on the balcony and most likely get a phone call or a neighbor that reminds them of the rule and hopefuly it will be civil. I highly doubt Disney will fine anyone for smoking on the Balcony and I would prefer this to a room that smells like smoke.
Again I quit but if i am with a bunch of smokers as I was with a trip last year to Canada and we were in a bar and everyone was smoking I gave in and had a few.
No die hard either way as long as both respect the others and theat means to me smoking outside away from crowds and if you are going to smoke on your balcony make sure there is no one else out near you and ask if they are... and I am not refering to a pack I am refering to one in any given 3 hour period or longer.

So they are in the front of buildings? Heck, how is that any different than on the balcony?

 

[jarestel]

Do you truly believe that the people that broke the rules before are going to abide by them now? Or, for that matter, the member who used to stay in a smoking room and now can't but has no problem paying the $300 or so to keep on smoking?

From the posts I've read on this board about folks wailing and gnashing teeth over ticket, dining, and shopping discounts, yes I do believe this will be a problem for them. (sorry to the wailing and gnashing folks, but it fit nicely into this response)

 

[jodifla]

Yeah, I get it. WDW owns the property and can do what it wants, blah, blah blah.

I read the stupid paperwork.

I just didn't think Disney wouldn't do a better job considering all of its guests.

And 10 years ago, when I joined, I didn't really envision the Mob-mentality, morality Nanny Police State overtaking America.

 

[Dumbo]

I will be happy to be a "Disney deputy" and turn in anyone who has previously smoked in the room to which I am assigned. Especially if I just signed a document stating I am responsible for any residual tobacco remnants in the room. Believe me, my DW will detect immediately if our room has been sullied by a previous occupant.

And what are you going to do when a member checks into a room you just occupied and claims they smell smoke and you are charged $250. on your charge card. How are you going to prove you didn't smoke in the room after you are home?

 

[jarestel]

And what are you going to do when a member checks into a room you just occupied and claims they smell smoke and you are charged $250. on your charge card. How are you going to prove you didn't smoke in the room after you are home?

The only way that's going to happen is if someone smells smoke in the room I just vacated. They won't. I'm absolutely certain of that.

 

[MiaSRN62]

jarestel says :It's highly unlikely that anyone will be accused of or assesed any type of financial penalty for a "hint" of smoke or an erroneous report from a neighbor.

jarestel says: It really is not difficult for an ordinary person who does not smoke to detect this.

Respectfully, the problem lies in the fact that what is one person's "hint" of smoke and barely detectable, is another's major trigger factor for asthma attack or a migraine. Who draws the line about what rules can be broken ? I'd rather be assured a non-smoking room to be honest. I get awful migraines and cig smoke is a big trigger.
Agreed....I don't think it's difficult for an ordinary person who does NOT smoke to detect it. My point was, smokers don't always detect it because it's often like they're "immune" to it. My dh rarely smells it. So my point was, if a smoker housekeeper cleans a room after a family leaves who broke the rules, that housekeeper may not detect it. My dh, my mil, bil's........none of them can smell smoke ---it's unnoticeable to them. So we can come in and occupy that said villa and then possibley be blamed for a smokey smelling room by the next housekeeper. I repeat....I will be having my rooms inspected/documented....and in fact, I'll ask to be moved if I even smell a hint of smoke.
Also, if disney probably won't fine folks for a "faint" smell of smoke in the room, I guess it's ok to smoke maybe 2-3 cigs a day in the room vs a whole pack a day ? Because surely that would only cause a slight lingering of smoke smell---iow, faint. And then smoking on the balcony is an even more easy to break rule----especially when not too many people are around. Really can't track that one unless you are actually caught in the act red-handed. So that poster earlier who mentioned liking a smoke around 4 am---he/she is probably safe. Not many are up and out at 4 am. In fact, this practice would probably not bother/annoy anyone at 4-5 am.

I just highly doubt all smokers are going to abide by the rules unfortunately.
My point is, where is the line to be drawn and how is this going to be effectively and fairly kept in check & by whom ? And smoking at the bus stops ? This has got to be just as offensive as smoking on the balconies I'd think ? I don't see much difference here.

 

[legalsea]

Alas! This has simply degenerated into a 'smoking versus non-smoking' argument, and so time to bail out.

For those of you who are jumping up and down in glee about Disney prohibiting smoking everywhere in the DVC properties, the next thing Disney may prohibit could be something dear to your heart, like alcohol or perfume, or even your special coffeemaker from home (potential fire hazard).

Again, I am not talking about the hotels or resorts. Those are wholly owned by the Disney corporation, and so they may do as they wish.

I imagine that some who purchased into the DVC may well have asked the salesperson (while looking at a unit) 'is smoking allowed', and received for an answer: 'yes, on balconies or in specially designated smoking units.'

Now, after spending thousands of dollars on points, and even more money on yearly maintenance, it is no longer true. Disney apparently did not solicit opinions from the DVC members, but acted unilaterally. DVC members did not learn of the action until they saw the news in todays newspaper.

Who knows in what direction Disney will strike out next. Again, it may be something close to your heart.

I say: whether you are a smoker or non-smoker, you should be very concerned about the way Disney handled this matter, and what it portends for the future.

 

[elijahpep]

From the posts I've read on this board about folks wailing and gnashing teeth over ticket, dining, and shopping discounts, yes I do believe this will be a problem for them. (sorry to the wailing and gnashing folks, but it fit nicely into this response)

I guess I will have to disagree. I don't think the sample of members from this board truly reflects the DVC member population. I believe there are many members out there that don't post to this board that would have no problem spending an extra $300 on their vacation. JMHO

~DH

 

[Chuck S]

I've removed some off topic posts. Please keep the thread on the topic of the new resort smoking status, or it will need to be closed.

 

[Dumbo]

The only way that's going to happen is if someone smells smoke in the room I just vacated. They won't. I'm absolutely certain of that.

But how are you going to prove it after you are home?